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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
#9767304 - 02/09/09 05:46 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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If I were facing federal perjury charges, I would fess up. Of course. And I would expect anyone else who was involved with me in this type of dirty dealing to out me too.
These guys were all in it together. The thing is, the rich players have the blind public support and the ability to hire Johnny Cochran "If the glove doesn't fit" crooked lawyers, and the "drug dealers" don't.
This isn't the mafia.
And anyone who is stupid enough to lie to a judge doesn't know much about what judges do to those who lie to them.
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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: whattheheck]
#9767387 - 02/09/09 06:00 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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whattheheck said: If I were facing federal perjury charges, I would fess up. Of course. And I would expect anyone else who was involved with me in this type of dirty dealing to out me too.
These guys were all in it together. The thing is, the rich players have the blind public support and the ability to hire Johnny Cochran "If the glove doesn't fit" crooked lawyers, and the "drug dealers" don't.
This isn't the mafia.
And anyone who is stupid enough to lie to a judge doesn't know much about what judges do to those who lie to them.
I don't think that applied to McNamee. He got busted dealing. He didn't have to give anybody up. If you do that shit with real drugs you get shot. He's a weasel.
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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
#9767415 - 02/09/09 06:06 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oh for sure. I thought his name got brought into the whole thing and he was forced to testify.
And yeah man, my mom was a drug dealer, mostly glass and coke back in the 70's and 80's, heavy involvement with some serious California bikers, and my dad did 3 stretches for drugs, so I'm pretty well versed on the drug culture.
I could have swore he was compelled to testify. And anybody who says that they wouldn't give up somebody when they're looking at taking the fall, well.....
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Seriously though, I wonder who else is on that list. As much as I love the Red Sox I'd have to admit there are a few players that might be on that. The whole team got a pass during the Mitchell Report due to a blatant conflict of interest and I'd be willing to be that at least one or two of them have done it at one point. My money would have to be on David Ortiz unfortunately. 
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I'm somewhat surprised at Manny being on that list. His connections must have been different, but considering the man, that's not surprising. He probably went into Gold's Boston in full uniform and just started offering cash for gear.
What's the deal with this list? Are we going to get a name every few months? What's going on here?
They need to release the WHOLE thing. I'll say this, if you don't go to the HOF if you did gear is the standard, then we're going to induct about 3 guys in the next 20 years.
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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: whattheheck]
#10769045 - 07/30/09 02:38 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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What's the deal with this list? Are we going to get a name every few months? What's going on here?
They need to release the WHOLE thing. I'll say this, if you don't go to the HOF if you did gear is the standard, then we're going to induct about 3 guys in the next 20 years.
No they don't. They need to investigate the leakers and leakees and arrest them and disbar any lawyers involved. I fail to understand why your desire to know something about an entertainment supercedes the employment contract of a thousand players in a billion + dollar industry and the sanctity of court orders to seal information. Is there some compelling national security issue that you know about to justify this or just overwhelming narcissism?
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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
#10769211 - 07/30/09 03:04 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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or just overwhelming narcissism?
Since when have you had a problem with overwhelming narcissism, zap?
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Always. It disgusts me. Although I am well aware that I am smarter, funnier and better looking than any other man ever I still don't think that my wishes supercede anyone else's. I don't think the world revolves around me. Although it should. For its own good.
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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
#10769280 - 07/30/09 03:19 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think it's bullshit that they keep leaking names. Like you said Zappa, they need to find the leaks, and plug them. Baseball banned this shit in 04, and there's no need for shit from 03 to keep rearing its ugly head. That being said, I'm enormously disappointed with the news about Ortiz. Not shocked....but saddened. It pissed me off that he has been so outspoken about beinganti-steroids and saying that 1st time offenders should be suspended for a full year and shit....and now his name is tossed out there? Fuck.
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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
#10769605 - 07/30/09 04:10 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Always. It disgusts me. Although I am well aware that I am smarter, funnier and better looking than any other man ever I still don't think that my wishes supercede anyone else's. I don't think the world revolves around me. Although it should. For its own good.
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Well, my belief, which is just as valid as anyone Else's, is that we as a public have been duped, worked, and lied too by a bunch of perverts who SHOULD be exposed as an example to other wanna be cheats. I also find great joy in the pain this causes the commissionaires office and the players union, who get rich off of selling us an overpriced product while lying to and deceiving us about the facts. WE make THEM, and we have a right to know.
As far as the leakers go, they should be punished to the full extent of the law.
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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: whattheheck]
#10769732 - 07/30/09 04:33 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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No you do not have that right to know. I can declare a great many rights for myself, such as a right to have a Mighty Taco in my neighborhood, but that does not make it so.
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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
#10769759 - 07/30/09 04:39 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would like a White Castle in my neighborhood so I didn't have to drive like fifty miles.
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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: Madtowntripper]
#10769768 - 07/30/09 04:41 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
#10769838 - 07/30/09 04:53 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'll write my Congressman.
Oh wait, he's a dirty fucking Republican who gets so much vitriolic hate mail from me that I'm likely on some kind of list that has my missives sent straight to a garbage bin in the bowels of his office.
This is the Politics Forum, right?
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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
#10770026 - 07/30/09 05:27 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: No you do not have that right to know. I can declare a great many rights for myself, such as a right to have a Mighty Taco in my neighborhood, but that does not make it so.
I never said I had a right to know. What I have a right to do is vote with my wallet and to influence those around me to do the same. MLB needs to release the names and come clean in a joint effort with the players union and the commissioners office.
They're playing us for fools, and while I was obviously one of the 15 people who KNEW in 1998 (and before) that players were geared and it wasn't EAS products that were helping them to hit the long ball that "chicks dig", I really feel for people who bought in lock stock and barrel.
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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: whattheheck]
#10770041 - 07/30/09 05:30 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I remember all the people coming into GNC thinking that Myoplex and Phosphogen were what made little Brady Anderson into this....
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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: whattheheck]
#10770410 - 07/30/09 06:57 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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MLB can't release the names.
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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: Madtowntripper]
#10770424 - 07/30/09 07:00 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: I would like a White Castle in my neighborhood so I didn't have to drive like fifty miles.
I've never had White Castle. Seems like a bad life decision.
Coming from a fat kid I think that says a lot.
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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
#10770431 - 07/30/09 07:01 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I like what Jeter had to say.
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Yankees reaction from U.S. Cellular Field to The New York Times report that Red Sox stars David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs in 2003:
JOHNNY DAMON
General reaction to today's news: It's another thing that keeps popping up with baseball. That's the problem with it all being withheld, because it seems like every couple of weeks or so we're finding out another player. I had no idea, but I guess he's on that list. Who knows if they're going to keep releasing more and more names? It's definitely not good for baseball.
Should the entire list be released?: It probably should come out. We were hoping we were done with it ... there's constant questions that [reporters] have to ask and some of us will answer. I don't want to have meetings all the time at the locker to talk about this. I want to talk about this year and moving forward and seeing how good our team this year can be. That's what I want to talk about. Unfortunately, this is another big story and David is involved with winning two championships in a town that didn't have a championship for a long time.
Is the 2004 World Series title tainted?: I think if there's a lot more guys ... I won't know that until more and more names come out. The '04 year was special. I know we could not have won without a bunch of the players that we had there. David and Manny were great, but I had probably the best year of my career hitting in the clutch. We had Derek Lowe pitch well, Pedro pitch well, added Schilling. I would have to see if there's more names and then I'd be able to comment on that.
MARK TEIXEIRA
General reaction to today's news: That list, names are going to keep coming out. I agree with everyone else who says just put it all out. It's ridiculous. Just let all the games go out and let everyone deal with it at the same time. Every two months things come out, it's not good for the game. It happened in 2003. Let it all come out, let everyone talk about it for one or two days and then we can move on.
On playing PED-free: I don't pass judgment on anybody. What happened with people in the past or what happens in the future, that's their prerogative. But as a guy who has done things the right way their entire career, I don't want any kid looking at me saying, 'Whoa, did you do something? Were you on a list?' I look at my generation and players like myself, Matt Holliday, Chase Utley. These guys are doing it from 2003 on and doing it the right way. I want kids to look at us and say these guys are great players without using that stuff.
DEREK JETER
General reaction to today's news: Too bad for everyone. Once again, we're sitting here talking about it again. ... You wish that you guys were here asking questions about Buerhle throwing all those innings and we've got to face him, or pennant races, or the trade deadline. Instead, we're talking about this again.
On releasing other names: I'm pretty sure someone will come up with something else. I'll stick to what I said before. Not everyone was doing it. You're talking about 100 people. There's a lot more than 100 people playing baseball. It's unfortunate that we have to sit here and talk about another name a couple of months later. I wish that wasn't the case but unfortunately it's the situation.
ALEX RODRIGUEZ
He's my friend and I care for David.
I have nothing else to say about it.
JOE GIRARDI
It's like ripping a Band-Aid off slowly. It's unfortunate, because we're trying to get this era beyond us and repair the game. The names keep coming out. It just seems to make it more difficult and last longer. It just saddens me that we go through this. I love this game and I love what players have done and what players have been able to accomplish doing it the right way. This era saddens me.
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