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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
#9761546 - 02/08/09 05:17 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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A-Rod was on the front page of the Denver Post! Just saw that. Crazy.
I guess my thing is that these guys were doping. Period. Most all of them. And I cannot blame them. Steroids are a great tool and are of amazing benefit, for athletes and others alike. I am a fan of their abilities to not only grow tissue, but more importantly, to repair tissue. These guys get torn up, millions and legacies on the line, and there's a fairly simple way to help fix the problem? Why not.
That said, a lot of these guys juiced. Most of them.
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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: whattheheck]
#9762719 - 02/08/09 08:46 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I agree with Schilling 100% here. I was going to say the same thing, the other names MUST come out.
"I'd be all for the 104 positives being named, and the game moving on if that is at all possible," former Boston ace Curt Schilling wrote on his blog Sunday. "In my opinion, if you don't do that, then the other 600-700 players are going to be guilty by association, forever," he wrote. "It appears that not only was it 104, but three of the greatest of our, or any, generation appear to be on top of this list."
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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
#9763092 - 02/08/09 09:58 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think it's bullshit that all of the major headlines are titled "A-Rod tested positive in 2003". They should read something like "It is rumored by faceless individuals that A-Rod tested positive in 2003".
Do you think he did it?
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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: whattheheck]
#9764760 - 02/09/09 08:29 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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whattheheck said: I agree with Schilling 100% here. I was going to say the same thing, the other names MUST come out.
"I'd be all for the 104 positives being named, and the game moving on if that is at all possible," former Boston ace Curt Schilling wrote on his blog Sunday. "In my opinion, if you don't do that, then the other 600-700 players are going to be guilty by association, forever," he wrote. "It appears that not only was it 104, but three of the greatest of our, or any, generation appear to be on top of this list."
Schilling is an idiot. I didn't hear him saying this in 2004 when the results were known (i.e. that over 100 players were positive). Then again, maybe he did. But, there is no more taint on the entire group of players now than there was then. There was an anonymity agreement with the union that represented Schilling to his great benefit. They determined that it was not in the players best interest to have publicized testing in 2003, just survey testing. Over 5% tested positive, triggering more testing. Further, there was a court order putting all of that information under seal. The people who revealed this information have committed a crime and so far there is one victim. Now the retired cunt wants 103 more victims. One wrong does not justify 103 other wrongs. There are quite a few of the same assholes demanding this who would scream bloody fucking murder if they were forced to undergo this scrutiny. There is no argument that these were the work rules. They were specifically NOT the work rules. How about we test everybody for everything ever? Think about it this way. What happens to medical confidentiality under that rationale? We'll promise to keep your results confidential unless you get rich and famous and there is something wrong. I'm going to repeat myself. Schilling is an idiot with a small dysfunctional brain who doesn't give a fuck about anybody except....Cunt Schilling. The players' union had a deal. That is the union of all the players, not just clean players. How come Curt the cunt, if he was so concerned, didn't name teammates, while he was playing, who he thought was juicing. He's been on enough teams, I bet he thought dozens were juicing. Do you want to guess why he didn't. It's because it wouldn't have been good for Cunt, that's why. Now he thinks it is. Do you know what group of players has the highest prevalence of juicing? Pitchers. Fuck Cunt Schilling where he breathes.
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Do you think he did it?
Don't really care. It is far less important than the real crimes committed here.
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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
#9764934 - 02/09/09 09:24 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well dodged. 
Not that I'm disagreeing with you about the need to adhere to laws but why were these records sealed in the first place?
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Because they were private medical records. Absent a work rule requiring named testing agreed upon between the union and the owners they remain private medical records. Even in the subsequent agreement, which was enacted after 5% tested positive in 2003, the first positive test was to be held confidential with increased testing. The results would only be made public after a second failed test. Rodriguez was given no opportunity to challenge the results, the sample right now has passed through so many hands that provenance can't be assured, and the leakers are criminals. There is a much higher weasel factor here and it is held by the leakers, who should be revealed as the common criminals they are and prosecuted like Troy Ellerman.
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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
#9765085 - 02/09/09 10:24 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Was this the case with Barry Bonds as well? And by that I mean criminal leaks by reporters.
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No. They had a subpoena for Bonds and several other BALCO guys. NOT for anybody else, including Rodriguez. Also, as I linked earlier, Troy Ellerman, the asshole who leaked about Giambi's GJ testimony, was sentenced to 2 1/2 years in prison.
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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
#9765111 - 02/09/09 10:35 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I only mention that because your not caring about whether A-rod did or didn't cheat by using steroids is a clear departure from what you had to say about Bonds a year ago.
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That said, he is a cheating cocksucker who has cheapened my favorite game
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7274781#Post7274781
So is A-rod a "cheating cocksucker" as well now or is he not because he is a Yankee?
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Yep, if he did take them he is a cheating cocksucker who has cheapened my favorite game. I have no personal favor for Rodriguez. I think he's a fucking moron. He has also been unfairly victimized by weasels, a status Giambi can claim but not Bonds.
Now then, let's return to what is important, which is money grubbing whores who will violate the justice system for fame and fortune, i.e. Selena Roberts et al. In the Giambi/ Ellerman case the reporters were held in contempt of court and faced 18 months pending appeal before Ellerman confessed. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/02/14/BAGPRO4RVR3.DTL
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The subpoenas, received last May, demanded that the reporters identify the source or sources of the grand jury testimony, and that The Chronicle turn over any documents that might reveal the source.
When Fainaru-Wada and Williams refused to testify, White held them in contempt last September, saying a 1972 U.S. Supreme Court ruling had established that journalists have no special privilege to withhold evidence from a grand jury.
The judge ordered the reporters imprisoned for up to 18 months, unless they agreed to testify earlier, and also fined The Chronicle $1,000 a day for defying its subpoena.
The penalties have been suspended while the reporters and the newspaper appeal to the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco, which had scheduled a hearing for March 7.
Their lawyers have argued that a 1996 Supreme Court ruling opened the door for federal judges to recognize a journalist's right to protect confidential sources when the value of the reporting to the public outweighed any harm caused by the leak.
I want Selena Roberts (I have hated her since she wrote for the Times, and endlessly aggrieved black woman) dragged before a court to reveal her weasels. Don't you?
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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
#9765320 - 02/09/09 11:30 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Honestly I think the rest of the names should be released. Why should A-Rod be thrown under the bus but no one else? Release all the names and put the fuck who leaked it in jail for leaking all 104, not just Rodriguez.
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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: jewunit]
#9765378 - 02/09/09 11:41 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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jewunit said: Honestly I think the rest of the names should be released. Why should A-Rod be thrown under the bus but no one else? Release all the names and put the fuck who leaked it in jail for leaking all 104, not just Rodriguez.
QFT
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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: jewunit]
#9765390 - 02/09/09 11:44 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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jewunit said: Honestly I think the rest of the names should be released. Why should A-Rod be thrown under the bus but no one else? Release all the names and put the fuck who leaked it in jail for leaking all 104, not just Rodriguez.
No no no no. Nobody should have been thrown under the bus. Fucking the other 103 does not unfuck Rodriguez. The only people who should get to decide whose name gets released should be those 103 other people. If they want to stand up and say "I am Spartacus" they can. In fact, if the rest of the players had any balls they should all stand up and say "I am Spartacus" and totally stuff it up SI's and Selena the Cunt's ass.
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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
#9765407 - 02/09/09 11:47 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nobody should have been thrown under the bus, but someone was. Because he's the highest profile baseball player. It's gonna get released anyway, if it's a bunch of amazing players then whatever, what does it even matter?
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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: jewunit]
#9765572 - 02/09/09 12:38 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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It matters because it is wrong. It is a corruption of the justice system. Whoever leaks this info should be prosecuted.
Meanwhile......Rodriguez is copping to this as we speak.
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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: jewunit]
#9765667 - 02/09/09 12:57 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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jewunit said: Honestly I think the rest of the names should be released. Why should A-Rod be thrown under the bus but no one else? Release all the names and put the fuck who leaked it in jail for leaking all 104, not just Rodriguez.
Yup. It's not fair that Alex is the only one getting crushed. I didn't realize how big of a deal this was going to be. It's STILL on the front page of the Denver Newspapers 
The bottom line is the players, and the leakers all need to face the music.
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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
#9765677 - 02/09/09 12:58 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: It matters because it is wrong. It is a corruption of the justice system. Whoever leaks this info should be prosecuted.
Meanwhile......Rodriguez is copping to this as we speak.
What?
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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
#9765732 - 02/09/09 01:10 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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No I meant as far as how it effects my views of baseball. If all the best players are using steroids, then whatever.
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