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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #9754597 - 02/07/09 11:57 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Because it would be awful for the game. Let me tell you how surprised I am :rolleyes:

What a lot of people don't get is that with gear, you don't have to be "on" all the time to have increases in muscle mass or strength. You will of course lose some when you come off (how much depends on a lot of different factors) but if done properly, even 1 or 2 cycles can radically change a person's body, pushing them well beyond the limits that they would have, or already did meet, naturally.

And again, all I can say is :shrug:

There will be more of this.


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9755214 - 02/07/09 02:37 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I agree 100%.


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: whattheheck]
    #9756275 - 02/07/09 06:35 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I thought this, from Mr. Bryant of ESPN.com summed it up well

"The debate over the next few days undoubtedly will shift to the leak, to who spoke to Sports Illustrated and why. And why, if the anonymous source had access to the entire list, was Rodriguez the only person named? The legality of the leak should not be underestimated. Someone has compromised the confidentiality of an agreement. But these questions are important, although they aren't as important as this fact: The full scope of the steroids era is coming into even clearer focus.

Don't forget that the most important informant in American history -- W. Mark Felt, aka Deep Throat -- took down a president in part because he didn't receive the promotion he wanted. Nobody complained then, because the information he leaked was legitimate."


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9756772 - 02/07/09 08:16 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I hear where you're coming from Zap, but it's all a mess, so personally, I'm just enjoying the rodeo.

Theses guys, who make a ton of money by being held up as our icons, lying their arses off when anybody with any experience with PED's can see that they are lying, deserve to be outed. I am NOT saying that the way that it went is correct, but I'm glad the truth is coming out.

And speaking of a load in their pants, I wonder how the other 103 players on that list feel?


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9760475 - 02/08/09 01:56 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Well, I guess the old adage of, "there's nothing to worry about if you got nothing to hide" is especially true in this case.

Maybe they should also feel like cheaters and liars who got caught. :shrug:


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9761167 - 02/08/09 04:13 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I hear all of that, but man Zap, these guys juiced. It's that easy. I'm not judging them. Personally, I think the only way for the playing field to be level is to let everyone go at it.

I've been an A-Rod (and Mac, and Sammy and a lot of other guys who juiced) fan for a long time. I used to follow A-Rod on SSA on ESPN when he was in high school. One of the greatest talents to ever step on a diamond. I feel for these guys. You have people like Brett Boone and John Rocker (and even lesser talents) juiced out to the max, chasing you down, what are YOU going to do?

But still, a spade needs to be called a spade. These guys did this, and your desire to find any reason possible to do anything but admit the obvious (unless you really are that ignorant about weight training, supplementing, and PED's) is a little odd.

None of us are saints, I'm not judging them, but these guys' numbers need to be put into the correct light. I'm also interested in what the commissioner knew. I'd like to see him up on some charges if he was aware of this.

Either way, this is going to get REAL messy. :popcorn:


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9761289 - 02/08/09 04:34 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I see where you're coming from with that, due process is important. And your press release brings up a question that I can't seem to find an answer to, and that is do players who flunked know they flunked? Did the commish know?

You could see a good jump in A-Rod's growth, but yeah, no where near Sosa. As far as Mac goes, the guy mashed 49 in 1987 and comes from a family of beasts. His look, in my mind, changed the least. And I would imagine a lot of his desire to use was rooted in the injuries, especially the feet issues he had in the early 90's.

Again, it's a lose/lose for everyone. Bonds and A-Rod were HOF from birth, but now, their reps are tainted. I don't blame them for using. I think the steroid laws in general are about as archaic as the ones we have for MJ. OF course that doesn't cross over into sports, but the vilification of these guys needs to end.

I just want the truth.


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9761546 - 02/08/09 05:17 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

A-Rod was on the front page of the Denver Post! Just saw that. Crazy.

I guess my thing is that these guys were doping. Period. Most all of them. And I cannot blame them. Steroids are a great tool and are of amazing benefit, for athletes and others alike. I am a fan of their abilities to not only grow tissue, but more importantly, to repair tissue. These guys get torn up, millions and legacies on the line, and there's a fairly simple way to help fix the problem? Why not.

That said, a lot of these guys juiced. Most of them.


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: whattheheck]
    #9762719 - 02/08/09 08:46 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I agree with Schilling 100% here. I was going to say the same thing, the other names MUST come out.

"I'd be all for the 104 positives being named, and the game moving on if that is at all possible," former Boston ace Curt Schilling wrote on his blog Sunday.
"In my opinion, if you don't do that, then the other 600-700 players are going to be guilty by association, forever," he wrote. "It appears that not only was it 104, but three of the greatest of our, or any, generation appear to be on top of this list."
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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #9763338 - 02/08/09 10:39 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Uh-oh! :shitstorm:


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: jewunit]
    #9765667 - 02/09/09 12:57 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

jewunit said:
Honestly I think the rest of the names should be released.
Why should A-Rod be thrown under the bus but no one else?
Release all the names and put the fuck who leaked it in jail for leaking all 104, not just Rodriguez.




Yup. It's not fair that Alex is the only one getting crushed. I didn't realize how big of a deal this was going to be. It's STILL on the front page of the Denver Newspapers :foreheadslap:

The bottom line is the players, and the leakers all need to face the music.

"Oh what a tangled web we weave......"

Sorry, I couldn't resist :grin:


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9765677 - 02/09/09 12:58 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
It matters because it is wrong.  It is a corruption of the justice system.  Whoever leaks this info should be prosecuted.

Meanwhile......Rodriguez is copping to this as we speak.




What? :confused:


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9766167 - 02/09/09 02:35 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Zap, you should write hallmark cards.

Anyway, I agree, ALL these liars and cheats need to go down. ALL of them. The players, the leakers, it's all gravy.

I've been waiting for this since 1997. Having to deal with the enormous ignorance of the average baseball fan over the past decade has been rough.

"Man I gotta get on creatine like Mark and Sammy"

"A-Rod would NEVER do juice"

And so on and so forth.

Every day guys like Ken Griffey Jr, and Vince Coleman, and Mark Grace look better and better.

Let's get some heads rolling!! :popcorn:


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #9766475 - 02/09/09 03:28 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, I would think so about Ortiz.

And I'm glad I'm not the only one paying attention to what people have said. I have a few people I'm going to hit up and rub this in their faces a bit about A-Rod.

These were the people that acted like Mac and Raffie and Sammy were the only ones. :foreheadslap:

I want to see Roger Clemens name on that list so he can go to prison for a bit.


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9766871 - 02/09/09 04:28 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
I'd rather see Clemens' name not on the list so the rat McNamee can get cornholed.  No matter what the truth about Clemens is the truth about McNamee is that he is a rat.  I don't think much of rats.




Wasn't he facing federal charges?


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: whattheheck]
    #9766874 - 02/09/09 04:28 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

And forced to take an oath where he swore to tell the truth?


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #9766904 - 02/09/09 04:31 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Virus_with_Shoes said:
Quote:

Do you have a point or are you just being a typical condescending angst-ridden RS fan? :wink:



:lol: Guilty as charged.

It IS seriously funny to read your old posts though and I'm honestly just rubbing your faces in it because you guys were SO sure of yourselves. Heck and I are just having a laugh at your expense.

In all seriousness, I'd bet most of the great players of our generation had a little bit of "help." I already put it out there that David Ortiz is a likely candidate but how fucked up would it be if Curt Schilling were on that list, especially in light of all of his recent criticism on Bonds and A-rod.




My estimation that 60%-70% of MLB'ers used gear stands. If you count substances that for seasoned weight training males worthless except for their power to heal injuries, I feel VERY confident about that number.

But this isn't just MLB. It everywhere, even pro golf.


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9767304 - 02/09/09 05:46 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

If I were facing federal perjury charges, I would fess up. Of course. And I would expect anyone else who was involved with me in this type of dirty dealing to out me too.

These guys were all in it together. The thing is, the rich players have the blind public support and the ability to hire Johnny Cochran "If the glove doesn't fit" crooked lawyers, and the "drug dealers" don't.

This isn't the mafia.

And anyone who is stupid enough to lie to a judge doesn't know much about what judges do to those who lie to them. :suicide:


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9767415 - 02/09/09 06:06 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Oh for sure. I thought his name got brought into the whole thing and he was forced to testify.

And yeah man, my mom was a drug dealer, mostly glass and coke back in the 70's and 80's, heavy involvement with some serious California bikers, and my dad did 3 stretches for drugs, so I'm pretty well versed on the drug culture.

I could have swore he was compelled to testify. And anybody who says that they wouldn't give up somebody when they're looking at taking the fall, well.....


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #10768745 - 07/30/09 01:53 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I'm somewhat surprised at Manny being on that list. His connections must have been different, but considering the man, that's not surprising. He probably went into Gold's Boston in full uniform and just started offering cash for gear.

What's the deal with this list? Are we going to get a name every few months? What's going on here?

They need to release the WHOLE thing. I'll say this, if you don't go to the HOF if you did gear is the standard, then we're going to induct about 3 guys in the next 20 years.


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