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Anonymous #1

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    #9742040 - 02/05/09 04:49 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #9742107 - 02/05/09 05:01 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I believe he is.

He will sign a peace treaty with Israel soon, ending the violence between them and the Palestinians. Three and a half years into the seven-year treaty, he will break it, as foretold in Revelation.

That would be in 2012 if the treaty is signed this year.


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Anonymous #1

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    #9742129 - 02/05/09 05:04 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonymous #3

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #9742362 - 02/05/09 05:46 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Yes.


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Anonymous #4

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #9742429 - 02/05/09 05:57 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
Very exciting, isn't it? The end is near.




People have been saying the end is near all throughout history.

PS. dr_gonz is a gay.


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Anonymous #5

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #9742470 - 02/05/09 06:03 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

i think hes more likely christ than the antichrist by a loooongshot.  he just gave free healthcare to 4 million kids


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Anonymous #6

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #9742540 - 02/05/09 06:10 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

That's because he's a communist, moron, not Jesus.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #9742547 - 02/05/09 06:11 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

And you think Jesus wouldn't be a communist if he came back?  :facepalm:

Yeah, Jesus would really condone the inherent greed in capitalism.  :rolleyes:


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Anonymous #5

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #9742567 - 02/05/09 06:14 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

he just condemned the DEA raids on medical marijuana.


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Anonymous #6

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #9742583 - 02/05/09 06:15 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

What?

Jesus didn't care if you were a businessman.

"Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's..."

He didn't throw the moneychangers out of the temple because they were moneychangers, he threw them out because they were in the temple.

You can't give away money w/out somehow making it first.  Bill Gates is a multi-multi-multi-billionaire that many people consider a greedy capitalist.  But he's given away more to charity than a number of small nations.


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Anonymous #7

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #9742592 - 02/05/09 06:16 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

No. That's just silly.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #9742641 - 02/05/09 06:24 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #4 said:
People have been saying the end is near all throughout history.





Almost five thousand years ago the Bible said Israel would become a nation again in the end times.

Over 1500 years ago the Bible said that 2 witnesses to Christ would be slain in Jerusalem and the whole world would see their bodies. For 1500 years of Christianity no one could imagine how that could be. Now we have webcams.

Biblical prophecy is being fulfilled more and more every day.  Things that have seemed absurd for all history are suddenly becoming possible.

Read the Bible online if you care to.


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Anonymous #8

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #9742647 - 02/05/09 06:24 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #6 said:
What?

Jesus didn't care if you were a businessman.

"Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's..."

He didn't throw the moneychangers out of the temple because they were moneychangers,
he threw them out because they were in the temple.



amen to that  :cheers:


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Anonymous #5

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #9742672 - 02/05/09 06:28 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

free healthcare is not communism.

ever heard the story of the good samaritan?

a guy was robbed and beaten and left for dead with knife wounds on the side of a road.  the Samaritan brought him to an inn, and paid for his medical expenses


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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #9742680 - 02/05/09 06:29 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I would have disagreed with that before your post, but damn, good point.


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Anonymous #5

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #9742688 - 02/05/09 06:30 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

and i agree jesus probably wouldn't be against buisiness, but he might be against greed in business


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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #9742785 - 02/05/09 06:41 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

...the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil...

not the money just putting it above decency.


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Anonymous #9

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9743158 - 02/05/09 07:32 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

jesus isnt real... you people are all retards if you belive in jesus.

Barack is a solid dude, lots of good plans, people are just fucking ignorant if they think he is some sort of anti christ


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Anonymous #8

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #9]
    #9743195 - 02/05/09 07:37 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #9 said:
jesus isnt real... you people are all retards if you belive in jesus.



you, sir, have my utmost respect for realizing that  :craven:


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Anonymous #6

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #8]
    #9743217 - 02/05/09 07:39 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

There is pretty strong historical evidence for the persona of Jesus.

Whether he was the Son of God, you can argue all day.


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Anonymous #10

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #9743231 - 02/05/09 07:41 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

There ain't no such thing as an antichrist, so no.


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Anonymous #8

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #9743360 - 02/05/09 08:00 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #6 said:
There is pretty strong historical evidence for the persona of Jesus.

Whether he was the Son of God, you can argue all day.



yeah right...all the 'proof' of his existence comes right out of the bible, and if I'm not mistaken - he was only mentioned directly four times in the original manuscript...and only once by name (the other three times he was referred to where all by generic title)


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Anonymous #3

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #8]
    #9743368 - 02/05/09 08:01 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

You're an idiot.

Haven't you heard of Flavius Josephus?


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Anonymous #6

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #8]
    #9743390 - 02/05/09 08:04 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #8 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #6 said:
There is pretty strong historical evidence for the persona of Jesus.

Whether he was the Son of God, you can argue all day.



yeah right...all the 'proof' of his existence comes right out of the bible, and if I'm not mistaken - he was only mentioned directly four times in the original manuscript...and only once by name (the other three times he was referred to where all by generic title)




No, this is absolutely false.

Whoever told you this is straight lying to you.

I'm not a Christian, but I am a history major.


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Anonymous #8

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #9743428 - 02/05/09 08:11 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

maybe so...but I could honestly care less if this man ever actually existed or not



all I know is that his following is by far the WORST thing to ever happen to the human race  :nonono:


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Anonymous #6

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #8]
    #9743442 - 02/05/09 08:12 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

No, that would be Communism.


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Anonymous #8

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #9743536 - 02/05/09 08:28 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

christianity has been responsible for FAR more deaths / wars / destruction / you name it then communism (or anything else for that matter) could ever even hope to be responsible for



the 'good book' itself is nothing but a programming device for pure hatred  :nonono:


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Anonymous #3

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #8]
    #9743543 - 02/05/09 08:30 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

People have been killing each other for tens of thousands of years before Jesus even came around.


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Anonymous #11

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #9743568 - 02/05/09 08:34 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

If there is an anti-christ, Obama is it. He will be in power in 2012. He is widely accepted by everyone, he is very popular. He is black. He came from no where.


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Anonymous #6

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #11]
    #9743801 - 02/05/09 08:42 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Isn't the Anti-Christ supposed to be from Eastern Europe?

That's teh one place Obama ISNT from.


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Anonymous #12

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #8]
    #9744320 - 02/05/09 08:59 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #8 said:
all I know is that his following is by far the WORST thing to ever happen to the human race  :nonono:




Greed, hate, and the love of power are the worst things to ever happen to the human race, not a religion that preaches against those things.
Whether or not the followers of said religion actually practice what the religion teaches is not the fault of the religion itself.

Things like the genocide of Native Americans by Europeans- that would have happened with Christianity or not.  It was motivated by greed and power, and the rulers at the time used Christianity to convince people their actions were just.  If Christianity hadn't been around, they would have used another religion.
"It is the will of Zeus that we conquer these barbarians!"

Blaming the worlds woes on religion is a weak cop-out for people who can't see the reasons behind the fronts.


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Anonymous #8

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #12]
    #9744471 - 02/05/09 09:13 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

not at all...you said so yourself - these things would have happened regardless

the real 'weakness' here is the fact that people in general always seem to need to find an excuse for their natural tendencies (blaming their actions on religious beliefs, for example) instead of just stepping up to the plate an coming right out with it to begin with

I just look down on religion because it's such a convenient crutch for people to abuse


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Anonymous #9

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #12]
    #9744502 - 02/05/09 09:14 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #12 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #8 said:
all I know is that his following is by far the WORST thing to ever happen to the human race  :nonono:




Greed, hate, and the love of power are the worst things to ever happen to the human race, not a religion that preaches against those things.
Whether or not the followers of said religion actually practice what the religion teaches is not the fault of the religion itself.

Things like the genocide of Native Americans by Europeans- that would have happened with Christianity or not.  It was motivated by greed and power, and the rulers at the time used Christianity to convince people their actions were just.  If Christianity hadn't been around, they would have used another religion.
"It is the will of Zeus that we conquer these barbarians!"

Blaming the worlds woes on religion is a weak cop-out for people who can't see the reasons behind the fronts.




so i guess the crusades that are actually still going on today... yeah i guess that isnt real. genocide you mean like when people from european countries came over to america forced there religion on the indians killed them if they didnt follow all while raping there women and stealing there land...


guess your right :rolleyes: blaming the worlds woes on religion is a cop out... let us not forget the whole israel crisis that isnt happening either... or why gas is so much money because of religious based wars... no no no... you are right it all has nothing to do with religion... pick up a fucking news paper you moron


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Anonymous #13

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #9]
    #9744941 - 02/05/09 09:39 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

if you think Obama is the anti-christ you are fucking retarded. there was no christ, there won't be an anti-christ either.

also arguing that Josephus' records of Jesus are evidence of his existence is retarded. in the same fucking volume, he records Hercules as a real person.

Hercules > Jesus.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #13]
    #9744965 - 02/05/09 09:43 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #13 said: in the same fucking volume, he records Hercules as a real person.




Source?


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Anonymous #13

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #9745719 - 02/05/09 09:57 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #3 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #13 said: in the same fucking volume, he records Hercules as a real person.




Source?




yeah, the volume that he wrote. you can look it up on the net if you really care, I read it in his writings.

also if you wanna use the back-up argument that Tacitus recorded Jesus as a real person, you can forget about it. he records 12 separate people that he refers to as Christus, or Christ.

i can't remember which one of them also talks about Pontius Pilate crucifying Jesus, but whichever it was, he gets Pilates' title wrong, insinuating that he heard it from a secondary source, and therefore its total hearsay.


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Anonymous #14

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #9745897 - 02/05/09 10:00 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

The rituals have been preformed. All the portents have occurred. Its only a matter of time before Obama transforms into a a giant horned creature. He will then fly into the sky using his dragon wings and have an epic battle with Jesus.

This battle may last for eons.

During that time humans will live out there ordinary lives, sometimes stopping to watch when they get bored.

Who will win? Only time can answer that question.


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Anonymous #15

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #14]
    #9747463 - 02/06/09 01:16 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

no. stop being so fucking stupid.  You only think that because it got pushed into your brain while it was mush over and over again and you were to young to know you were being lied too. 

Evolve already.  It's pretty late in the game to still believe in the tooth fairy.

EDIT:  I'm not talking to #14 in particular.  Sorry 14 I replied to you.  I was talking to everyone who thinks that obama is the antichrist.


Edited by Anonymous (02/06/09 01:20 AM)


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Anonymous #15

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #9747477 - 02/06/09 01:19 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #6 said:
What?

Jesus didn't care if you were a businessman.

"Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's..."

He didn't throw the moneychangers out of the temple because they were moneychangers, he threw them out because they were in the temple.

You can't give away money w/out somehow making it first.  Bill Gates is a multi-multi-multi-billionaire that many people consider a greedy capitalist.  But he's given away more to charity than a number of small nations.




:nonono:  He threw them out because they were butchers and he was a shepherd. 

Today the role of the temple is served by the mass media, which transmit the memes that create most people's reality.  It's corrupted by moneylenders in the form of marketers, who use their positions to make people stupid and suck the life out of them.  It's called symbolism.

Render unto ceaser does not mean be a greedy prick.  It means pay your tax and pay your tithe.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #15]
    #9747494 - 02/06/09 01:22 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #15 said:
no. stop being so fucking stupid.  You only think that because it got pushed into your brain while it was mush over and over again and you were to young to know you were being lied too. 

Evolve already.  It's pretty late in the game to still believe in the tooth fairy.




Aw, look who's going to burn in hell for being an Atheist.  :hippie:


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Anonymous #15

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #9747659 - 02/06/09 01:57 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

aww look whose going to live the same mediocre, delusional dream over and over again forever each time thinking it was the first.  :stoned:


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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #15]
    #9748029 - 02/06/09 05:11 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I read the Bible, and most of the haters here have no idea what the Bible says.  You talk about how I am programmed or brainwashed, but you are basing your impressions of Christianity on what you have been programmed by the populists to believe it says.

The Ten Commandments are often viewed as the tenets of the Christian Faith.  Can you provide an example of how following the Commandments could lead to the problems in the world today?

Anyone can call themselves a Christian.  It doesn't mean they are one.  For instance, OTDers call themselves Shroomerites - would you say it is fair then to say all Shroomerites post scat and use the word nigger?


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Anonymous #6

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #15]
    #9748046 - 02/06/09 05:29 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #15 said:
:nonono:  He threw them out because they were butchers and he was a shepherd. 





What What?

Give me one bible verse that claims Jesus was an actual shepherd, as opposed to a shepherd of men?

He threw them out because they were changing money, in the temple.


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Anonymous #9

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #9748520 - 02/06/09 09:07 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

lets say that jesus is really the son of god ( which he isnt ) and lets say that the bible is true ( which it isnt ) and lets say that there is a anti christ ( which there isnt ) dont you think george bush or dick cheney would have been the anti christ and not Barack?  i mean at least Barack is for the people lol. but im sure someone will fire back with oh he is just trying to gain our trust lol, listen you fucking retards the world is not going to end in 2012 just like the world DIDNT END IN 2000!!! Y2K anyone?? you guys are all fucking morons who will believe anything that anyone says. just like the whole mad cow disease and the bird flue and west nile virus and sars. im not saying those things wernt real but the idea that it was going to be a world wide killer and it was going to be the end of everything. its just a scare tactic. fuck off with your crazy believe everything you hear bull shit


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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #9]
    #9748532 - 02/06/09 09:11 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

or, perhaps those pandemics never happened because we all shit ourselves over it and made sure it didn't happen, retard.

Do you have any idea at all how many billions of dollars of livestock were destroyed to keep these diseases from hitting critical mass?

No. Because you just post whatever sounds good to you, without ever checking to see if facts support you or not.


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Anonymous #9

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9748565 - 02/06/09 09:19 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

y2k


Edited by Anonymous (02/06/09 09:21 AM)


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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #9]
    #9748613 - 02/06/09 09:29 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Y2K didn't happen for the same reason.  Were you old enough then to notice the hospitals, banks, and government hiring "Y2K compliance experts" to test their equipment for compatibility.... or the patching of untold millions of accounting packages.... the mass migration to new hardware and software... the batch conversion of old records...

these things didn't happen because we didn't ignore the problem, we fixed it.


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Anonymous #13

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9749406 - 02/06/09 12:17 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #2 said:
The Ten Commandments are often viewed as the tenets of the Christian Faith.  Can you provide an example of how following the Commandments could lead to the problems in the world today?




Thou shall have no other gods before me.

this has caused problems for thousands of years. see, those other gods are 'evil' and from the Devil, so all other world religions must be converted or destroyed. See: Israel.

now, if you want to expand from the Ten Commandments, you can look at the myriad of times in the OT that Yahweh ordered his people to murder and destroy other civilizations. See: Hosea 13:16, where God declares his intent to rip open the pregnant women of Samaria and smash their unborn children on rocks.

if you want to go from a strictly moral standpoint, see: Deuteronomy where it says in the Law (of your God) that if a young virgin gets raped, and she becomes pregnant, she is to marry her rapist who must pay her father 50 silver coins.

the bible is full of horrific immoral bullshit that has led to the destruction of priceless history and people. it serves no better as a moral guideline than any other old religious/mythological text.


Your argument for the prevention of Y2K is also flawed, b/c there were enormous number of companies that didn't hire Y2K experts, and nothing at all happened to them. As for disease, you have a point, considering Ebola contaminated a small area in D.C. in the late 80s, and we fortunately stopped it. See: Dead Zone.


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Anonymous #12

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #9]
    #9749470 - 02/06/09 12:31 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #9 said:
so i guess the crusades that are actually still going on today... yeah i guess that isnt real. genocide you mean like when people from european countries came over to america forced there religion on the indians killed them if they didnt follow all while raping there women and stealing there land...


guess your right :rolleyes: blaming the worlds woes on religion is a cop out... let us not forget the whole israel crisis that isnt happening either... or why gas is so much money because of religious based wars... no no no... you are right it all has nothing to do with religion... pick up a fucking news paper you moron




The genocide of Native Americans by Europeans wasn't about religion.  It was about flexing power, and gaining riches for the crowns and countries which were doing the conquering.  The rulers at the time used religion to excuse and encourage people to slaughter.  They intentionally distorted the true message of the religion for their own ends, just like extremist Muslims do today.

You're a fucktard if you think gas "is so much money because of religious based wars".  Gas is "so much money" because everyone needs it, and its a limited resource.  Of course the people who control it are going to make as much off of it as they can.  Its not about religion, its about economics, and greed.


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Anonymous #16

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #12]
    #9749678 - 02/06/09 01:12 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

WRONG. The pilgrims were over here, fleeing from religious persecution. I.e they are sadists and puritans(hypocrisy, i know) and inherently evil people. Our country was founded by these very people. And you say it wasnt about religion? They murdered and raped the natives and deemed them as being savages b/c they were not as "refined". It's always about religious beliefs.


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Anonymous #13

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #9749724 - 02/06/09 01:23 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #16 said:
WRONG. The pilgrims were over here, fleeing from religious persecution. I.e they are sadists and puritans(hypocrisy, i know) and inherently evil people. Our country was founded by these very people. And you say it wasnt about religion? They murdered and raped the natives and deemed them as being savages b/c they were not as "refined". It's always about religious beliefs.




wow, bad history on your part. our country was founded by Deists and freethinkers more than anything else. our country may have originally been settled by these types of people, but not founded.

the natives not being as 'refined' as the settlers was also an excuse. bottom line was that the settlers wanted their land, and they feared them b/c they were an unkown variable, so they killed them or kicked them off said land until they were nearly gone.

the lack of Christianity inherit in the natives is a mute point. only a few people gave a shit about converting them anyway, most just wanted them gone. even if they had lived in log cabins and worshipped Jesus, the settlers still would've fucked them up b/c they weren't white and they didn't speak english.


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Anonymous #12

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #13]
    #9749764 - 02/06/09 01:33 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Thank you 13.


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Anonymous #17

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #12]
    #9749826 - 02/06/09 01:47 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, Obama is the antichrist :yesnod:


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Anonymous #16

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #13]
    #9750047 - 02/06/09 02:26 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #13 said:
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Anonymous #16 said:
WRONG. The pilgrims were over here, fleeing from religious persecution. I.e they are sadists and puritans(hypocrisy, i know) and inherently evil people. Our country was founded by these very people. And you say it wasnt about religion? They murdered and raped the natives and deemed them as being savages b/c they were not as "refined". It's always about religious beliefs.




wow, bad history on your part. our country was founded by Deists and freethinkers more than anything else. our country may have originally been settled by these types of people, but not founded.

the natives not being as 'refined' as the settlers was also an excuse. bottom line was that the settlers wanted their land, and they feared them b/c they were an unkown variable, so they killed them or kicked them off said land until they were nearly gone.

the lack of Christianity inherit in the natives is a mute point. only a few people gave a shit about converting them anyway, most just wanted them gone. even if they had lived in log cabins and worshipped Jesus, the settlers still would've fucked them up b/c they weren't white and they didn't speak english.


So how do you figure that the founding fathers werent the same people. You think mystically over time they just abandoned their religious history? Gimmie a break. This country was designed in such a manner that it cannot sustain itself. If you pay attention to the way this world is, you'll notice that britain is always the first to implement the newest methods of controlling a population, and then like clockwork america follows suite. My point, This country is still ran by the queen after all these years. Britain has managed to accomplish what it set out to do from the start. Control the globe. You sound pretty naive if you ever thought the people stood a chance. democracy is a lie and an illusion. Just like religion. and that's the bottom line.


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #9750068 - 02/06/09 02:30 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Hey, guess what?

FIRST BLACK PRESIDANT, BIATCH!!!! :thebird:


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Anonymous #3

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #18]
    #9750074 - 02/06/09 02:31 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #18 said:
Hey, guess what?

FIRST BLACK PRESIDANT, BIATCH!!!! :thebird:




Shut the fuck up, tard.  In the first place he's only half-black, and secondly, there have been African American presidents before Obama.  :smirk:


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Anonymous #16

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #18]
    #9750079 - 02/06/09 02:32 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

i am black. i dont give a shit. he's a puppet of the worst type. a nice guy, the final nail in the coffin.


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #9750107 - 02/06/09 02:36 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonymous #3 said:


Shut the fuck up, tard.  In the first place he's only half-black, and secondly, there have been African American presidents before Obama.  :smirk:




Name one.


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Anonymous #18

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #9750112 - 02/06/09 02:37 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

FIRST YOUNG MUSLIM PRESIDENT, WHAT NOW?? :thebird:


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #17]
    #9750164 - 02/06/09 02:49 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonymous #17 said:
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Anonymous #3 said:


Shut the fuck up, tard.  In the first place he's only half-black, and secondly, there have been African American presidents before Obama.  :smirk:




Name one.




I think he was joking about how Clinton was the first "black" president.


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Anonymous #6

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #12]
    #9750495 - 02/06/09 03:53 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Bill Clinton was black, but he wasn't African-American.


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Anonymous #12

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #9750501 - 02/06/09 03:54 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

:lol:


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    #9750958 - 02/06/09 04:49 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonymous #16

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #9750978 - 02/06/09 04:53 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

that's a bunch of horse shit. I used to be a christian until i got smart and realized that the people who judge you at church arent any better. a true christian would have nothing to do with the church as it is today. Jesus did not intend for us to worship under false sunlight and give money to pedophiles. Christians are just too afraid or ignorant to see that theyve been infiltrated by the government and let politics run the church.


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    #9751003 - 02/06/09 04:55 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonymous #16

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #9751043 - 02/06/09 05:02 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

ugh, that's what christianity has become, therefore that's what it is. You can still be christ-like, without being a christian. that's the core. religion is a small stepping stone in a grand picture. It divides us, if we buy into it b/c theyve all been tainted by man. The key is to take the idea and apply it to your life in a manner that helps you and others. Not to take the bible in a literal sense. It's quite simple.


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #9751067 - 02/06/09 05:06 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #3 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #18 said:
Hey, guess what?

FIRST BLACK PRESIDANT, BIATCH!!!! :thebird:




Shut the fuck up, tard.  In the first place he's only half-black...




Don't be such a pessimist.  I bet the glass is always half empty with you.  He's half white!


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    #9751319 - 02/06/09 05:44 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonymous #6

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #9751341 - 02/06/09 05:48 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Only those of us that inhabit the bodies of prepubescent boys.


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    #9751349 - 02/06/09 05:50 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #9751377 - 02/06/09 05:55 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Many places, SA is not one of them.


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    #9751383 - 02/06/09 05:56 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonymous #4

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #9751390 - 02/06/09 05:58 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

dr_gonz is the antichrist. i've read the signs and i know it to be true.



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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #9751398 - 02/06/09 06:00 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonymous #1 said:
Read Ythan's rules about this forum.




Read any of the threads here.


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #9752003 - 02/06/09 07:53 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #16 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #13 said:
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Anonymous #16 said:
WRONG. The pilgrims were over here, fleeing from religious persecution. I.e they are sadists and puritans(hypocrisy, i know) and inherently evil people. Our country was founded by these very people. And you say it wasnt about religion? They murdered and raped the natives and deemed them as being savages b/c they were not as "refined". It's always about religious beliefs.




wow, bad history on your part. our country was founded by Deists and freethinkers more than anything else. our country may have originally been settled by these types of people, but not founded.

the natives not being as 'refined' as the settlers was also an excuse. bottom line was that the settlers wanted their land, and they feared them b/c they were an unkown variable, so they killed them or kicked them off said land until they were nearly gone.

the lack of Christianity inherit in the natives is a mute point. only a few people gave a shit about converting them anyway, most just wanted them gone. even if they had lived in log cabins and worshipped Jesus, the settlers still would've fucked them up b/c they weren't white and they didn't speak english.




So how do you figure that the founding fathers werent the same people. You think mystically over time they just abandoned their religious history? Gimmie a break. This country was designed in such a manner that it cannot sustain itself. If you pay attention to the way this world is, you'll notice that britain is always the first to implement the newest methods of controlling a population, and then like clockwork america follows suite. My point, This country is still ran by the queen after all these years. Britain has managed to accomplish what it set out to do from the start. Control the globe. You sound pretty naive if you ever thought the people stood a chance. democracy is a lie and an illusion. Just like religion. and that's the bottom line.




i don't think that the majority of the founding fathers dealt with native americans much at all. what evidence do you have that they wanted to kill/rape indians for their religious beliefs? you have NONE.

what you are doing is taking the beginnings of American settlement, from 1492-late 1700s, and mixing it all together with the American Revolution. while its true that Andrew Jackson despised native Americans, most of the men who wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the US were not actively campaigning against the "heathen indians."

you are ignoring the vastly complex history of this country to come to a half-assed conclusion that Indians were hated b/c of religion. I'm not a religious defender of any kind, but i dont like ignorance, which your posts here reek of. if you think that America is truly run by the Queen of the UK, you are a bonafide idiot. the difference is that the Founding Fathers were not puritans or religious zealots. indians were driven out and killed b/c others wanted their land.

by all means, blame the Crusades, the burning of Alexandria, the Salem Witch Trials, and the Inquisition on religious bullshit. there is merit in those arguments, b/c there is evidence as well. as for the native american argument, YOU ARE WRONG.

you should try school. by the sound of it, even middle school would suffice.


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Anonymous #16

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #13]
    #9752081 - 02/06/09 08:08 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

im glad you took all that time to try and sound intelligent. Good luck regurgitating your high school history books, to all your indie friends. But in the real world it didnt happen like that. Just b/c youre in college or whatever doesnt mean you know shit. You should pay less attention to text books and more attention to reality.Youre naive as fuck.


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Anonymous #6

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #9752098 - 02/06/09 08:11 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

No, his response was logical and historically accurate.

You are an ignorant buffoon.


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Anonymous #13

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #9752146 - 02/06/09 08:17 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #16 said:
im glad you took all that time to try and sound intelligent. Good luck regurgitating your high school history books, to all your indie friends. But in the real world it didnt happen like that. Just b/c youre in college or whatever doesnt mean you know shit. You should pay less attention to text books and more attention to reality.Youre naive as fuck.




way to think outside the box and generalize history based on your religious ideas! you are a unique snowlake, far more intelligent than us lowly academics, blinded by our Christian-written, Pro-America textbooks.

i'm sure your argument here (since you've done absolutely nothing to support it) is that Britain has a lot of cameras, and the US is getting more surveillance cameras, so we must be under the control of the Queen!

:rofl:


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Anonymous #16

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #9752152 - 02/06/09 08:18 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

so you morons honestly believe that america recorded an accurate description of what happened when we first arrived here all the way up until the supposed revolution? You dont get taught the truth about your country in school, and that's my point. The very fact that they rewrite history to make themselves seem less evil and teach it to our children generation after genration is outrageous. And people like you read it and believe it their entire lives. It's about domination and conformity. Denying that it had everything to do with religion is ignorant and only perpetuates the idea that one needs to have their hand held throughout existence. It's just a cycle that's been repeating itself for a long, long time.


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Anonymous #6

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #9752167 - 02/06/09 08:22 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

First, I think you have no idea what is taught in American schools.  Do you think we are taught that Indians and Natives coexisted peacefully?  I'm sorry, but no.

Second, I don't think anyone stops learning when they leave school.  Nothing in the world prevents anyone from getting information from any source they want.  Nothing!


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Anonymous #16

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #13]
    #9752172 - 02/06/09 08:24 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #13 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #16 said:
im glad you took all that time to try and sound intelligent. Good luck regurgitating your high school history books, to all your indie friends. But in the real world it didnt happen like that. Just b/c youre in college or whatever doesnt mean you know shit. You should pay less attention to text books and more attention to reality.Youre naive as fuck.




way to think outside the box and generalize history based on your religious ideas! you are a unique snowlake, far more intelligent than us lowly academics, blinded by our Christian-written, Pro-America textbooks.

i'm sure your argument here (since you've done absolutely nothing to support it) is that Britain has a lot of cameras, and the US is getting more surveillance cameras, so we must be under the control of the Queen!

:rofl:


and theyve somehow proven their points by referencing things learned in text books written by the very people responsible for said acts? It's completely illogical to trust that. What's being shown here is false intellect. Learning fabricated stories for situations like this, so that the lies can be kept alive.


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Anonymous #16

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #9752182 - 02/06/09 08:27 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonymous #6 said:
First, I think you have no idea what is taught in American schools.  Do you think we are taught that Indians and Natives coexisted peacefully?  I'm sorry, but no.

Second, I don't think anyone stops learning when they leave school.  Nothing in the world prevents anyone from getting information from any source they want.  Nothing!


being american i think i have a good idea asshole. And it took me graduating school and going to college to realize what was happening. And im not the first person to be curious so it was easy to find people and material regarding the lineage of our country and it's rulers. Everything is connects it's up to you to put it together.


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Anonymous #13

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #9752192 - 02/06/09 08:29 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #16 said:
so you morons honestly believe that america recorded an accurate description of what happened when we first arrived here all the way up until the supposed revolution? You dont get taught the truth about your country in school, and that's my point. The very fact that they rewrite history to make themselves seem less evil and teach it to our children generation after genration is outrageous. And people like you read it and believe it their entire lives. It's about domination and conformity. Denying that it had everything to do with religion is ignorant and only perpetuates the idea that one needs to have their hand held throughout existence. It's just a cycle that's been repeating itself for a long, long time.




no, i believe that all of the independent writings of the times, that were compiled and critically reviewed by historians give a more accurate picture of our country's history than your paranoid assumptions and ramblings. i believe that the fact that most historians admit to our evils of slavery, brutalization of natives, and political injustices shows much less of a bias than you would like to admit.

you are the one who believes this country was founded by Christians. you are the one who believes our government is controlled by the queen, despite Tony Blair's near total subordinance to our last President, and our general not-giving-a-fuck towards UK policies.

religion does partly exist to control people, but most people believe it b/c they have no better answers and are too lazy to keep up with science. the church is corrupt, and literalist christianity is a blight on our society IMO, but ascribing it to all of the problems of our world is ignorant and stupid.


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Anonymous #19

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #9752199 - 02/06/09 08:30 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

The founding of this country had nothing to do with religion. It had to do with an incompetent inbred monarch and some fed-up intellectuals and military types who incited a revolution against said monarch.

Granted, much of the population involved were religious and much unnecessary slaughtering of natives was done in the process. But the USA's foundations are entirely secular and areligious. The founding fathers were not what you could reasonably call "Christians" and neither was their administration. Rather, there has been somewhat of a Christian revival in the time since the revolution. It's gotten so bad that the evangelicals can say we are and always have been a "Christian nation" and have masses of people swallow it.


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Anonymous #16

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #13]
    #9752215 - 02/06/09 08:33 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Then you dont know the history of the church well enough.It's only paranoia when it's not the truth. Our governments are so connected that shit like tony blair being subservient to bush can happen. We're minutes away from having one world government, yet youre still holding on to the lies.


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Anonymous #16

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #19]
    #9752234 - 02/06/09 08:35 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonymous #19 said:
The founding of this country had nothing to do with religion. It had to do with an incompetent inbred monarch and some fed-up intellectuals and military types who incited a revolution against said monarch.

Granted, much of the population involved were religious and much unnecessary slaughtering of natives was done in the process. But the USA's foundations are entirely secular and areligious. The founding fathers were not what you could reasonably call "Christians" and neither was their administration. Rather, there has been somewhat of a Christian revival in the time since the revolution. It's gotten so bad that the evangelicals can say we are and always have been a "Christian nation" and have masses of people swallow it.


youre basically saying that the founding fathers were golden boys amongst the rest of the population and i refuse to believe that they were somehow different than the rest of the country. The only difference would be the fact they they were free masons, which is a whole new level on fanaticism.


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Anonymous #13

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #9752242 - 02/06/09 08:36 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #16 said:
:rofl:


and theyve somehow proven their points by referencing things learned in text books written by the very people responsible for said acts? It's completely illogical to trust that. What's being shown here is false intellect. Learning fabricated stories for situations like this, so that the lies can be kept alive.




just like the way you managed to bunch pilgrims in with the founding fathers, you have again managed to bunch historians in with the people who perpetrated "said acts," which is ridiculous.

if these lying evildoers did these heinous acts you speak of in the name of religion, they would've had no problem claiming themselves that it was done in the name of religion.


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Anonymous #19

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #9752264 - 02/06/09 08:39 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #16 said:
youre basically saying that the founding fathers were golden boys amongst the rest of the population and i refuse to believe that they were somehow different than the rest of the country. The only difference would be the fact they they were free masons, which is a whole new level on fanaticism.




:facepalm: How can you say history is "wrong" when you clearly don't know any of it in the first place? The colonies were inhabited by many different groups of people from different origins and possessing different beliefs. The Puritans came first, but they were later followed by folks they were trying to get away from - the more mainstream Europeans who were becoming too secular and impious for Puritans' liking over the course of the Renaissance. It's America, it's a fucking melting pot, it always has been, and the Christianization of our institutions started scarcely one hundred years ago.


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Anonymous #13

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #9752284 - 02/06/09 08:42 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

haha, i just figured out how to see who is posting "Anonymously."

There is no hiding from the freemasons and one world government, Jack Albertson, #16!


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Anonymous #16

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #13]
    #9752299 - 02/06/09 08:45 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

i didnt start this thread in anon. it was already here, b/c morons actually believe barak obama is the antichrist. it's sad. And then you have idiots saying that religion isnt responsible for this shit, when it's responsible for the very thread they are posting in! it's ignorant as fuck.


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Anonymous #13

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #9752327 - 02/06/09 08:50 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

it is sad that dummies believe Obama is the Anti-Christ. but your posts are equally as ill-informed and as ignorant. yes, religion is responsible for this thread. yes, religion should go away already. thankfully, its on its way out.

but history =/= religion. history is written by the winners to a degree, but to say that all history taught in school is fraudulent is just as bad as the Christians saying that science is fraudulent.


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Anonymous #16

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #13]
    #9752343 - 02/06/09 08:53 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I never said all. Im speaking in regards to american history.


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Anonymous #19

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #9752373 - 02/06/09 08:58 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Dude, America is not fucking New Jerusalem or some shit. Our constitution calls for a completely secular government which is presently being fucking overrun by a brand-new generation of bastardized Televangelist McMegachurch Christianity. The system is rotten, but it's not rotten to the core. Ignorant douchebags like you are the reason why we have something as retarded as the "culture wars" going on in the first place, throwing fuel on the fire of poorly-reasoned prejudice and blind antagonism.


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Anonymous #16

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #19]
    #9752405 - 02/06/09 09:02 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

who am i prejudice against? If you want to be ignorant and believe the bible that's your prerogative. And what do you mean by culture wars? people waking up and rebelling against bullshit?


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Anonymous #6

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #9753540 - 02/07/09 04:41 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonymous #16 said:And what do you mean by culture wars? people waking up and rebelling against bullshit?




Christ but you're dense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_war


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Anonymous #20

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #9753755 - 02/07/09 07:51 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

You guys are making Jesus cry.  :cryariver:


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Anonymous #16

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #9753873 - 02/07/09 08:47 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #6 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #16 said:And what do you mean by culture wars? people waking up and rebelling against bullshit?




Christ but you're dense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_war


im dense b/c i wasnt familiar with a term? Fuck you yuppie.


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    #9754244 - 02/07/09 10:28 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #9754272 - 02/07/09 10:32 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

His grandmother died like a week and a half after telling some news station that she saw him being born in Kenya with her own eyes.

Sorry gram-gram, satan needs you dead! :lol:

I'm not the least bit concerned about this really, because I believe what I believe and I'm secure in that.  What I really hope is that the pre-Trib Rapture theory is correct so that my child doesn't have to go through that meat grinder.


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    #9754300 - 02/07/09 10:38 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonymous #21

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9754362 - 02/07/09 10:52 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

My mum and grandparents are 'HARDCORE' Catholics and from what mummy tells little shroomerite, the end will be heralded by the black pope.
a black pope was up for election but ratzinger was elected. Obama isn't a Pope but is Black. People assume black refers to the skin colour but since the recessions due to the mortgage crisis, slumped interest rates are dubbed 'black' this and most depressing day of the year is dubbed 'black' that.

old nick is supposed to use the hubble telescope to turn the skies different colours. He is said to be a peoples man, he will be loved and will be very intelligent, he will be our saviour before he bends humanity over and butt f,ucks us into oblivion. Would Obama be interested in turning the sky different colours?

and Abraham and Elijah are going to return (because they are meant to be still alive in a secret location on earth) and claim to be themselves but they will be killed before coming back to life and then then everyone will believe them and the chaos will stop.

mama and grams told me lots want to know more to be amused?


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    #9754382 - 02/07/09 10:58 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #9754390 - 02/07/09 11:04 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonymous #1 said:
That is extremely interesting about the Grandma. Do you have a link?




http://www.americasright.com/2008/11/sarah-obama-tapes.html

It is all over the conservative blogs, but that is only because the liberal media and blogs don't want to talk about it - what good could come of it for them?

She didn't really die though - I just thought she did. :lol: my bad.

This was interesting too - the Kenyan Gov't. didn't want his family talking to the press again after that tape was released.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=84172


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Anonymous #1

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    #9754404 - 02/07/09 11:08 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #9754406 - 02/07/09 11:10 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

"two witnesses" - in Revelation 11:3

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2011;&version=31;

I think the Catholic Church is going to be deeply involved in the end as well, because they clearly ignore the "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," part of the Bible, telling people that the Pope mediates between God and Man. 1 Timothy 2:3-6


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. [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9754423 - 02/07/09 11:16 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #9754451 - 02/07/09 11:23 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

The Bible also says that the false prophets of the endtimes will be so convincing that they will deceive "even the elect, if that were possible" in Matt. 24:24

It also says that God will harden the hearts of those who wait too long to accept Him, so that even if they recognize the Antichrist, they will be unable to accept Christ.  These unfortunate people are the ones who will know exactly what is happening to them, but be unable to stop it.

http://www.theseason.org/exodus/exodus14.htm


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #9754454 - 02/07/09 11:23 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Leary_Ban


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #9754492 - 02/07/09 11:31 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #5 said:
he just condemned the DEA raids on medical marijuana.




Did he stop them? No. Did he end prohibition on cannabis? No. Is torture going to stop? Yep! It's harsh interrogation now.

I doubt Obama is the antichrist. But he'd be working for people that would know the antichrist.


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #9]
    #9754508 - 02/07/09 11:35 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

its possible if he unites the world and causes a treaty at the middle of a 7 yr war....I doubt it though. The false prophet and the antichrist are probably going to come out of the vatican and be a Pope that says Jesus wasn't the Son of God but a son like all of us and then islam and catholicism will be combined to form the one world religion...so I doubt he is the antichrist but he is up to the usual liberal eveil....he just wants to socialize America...


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #23]
    #9754531 - 02/07/09 11:39 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I also think it is entirely possible that he is just a smoke screen to get all the Christians up in arms about the Antichrist... we go around warning everyone, then nothing happens.  Sort of along the lines of the boy who cried wolf.  That's why, as much as I believe he may be the antichrist, I also believe he may not be.

In the end, if you have believe the Gospel, it doesn't really matter who the antichrist is.  I find it entertaining to speculate, but it really isn't that important in the grand scheme of things.


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Anonymous #21

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9754535 - 02/07/09 11:40 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

well i know elijah was one of them not sure about abraham but i will try and find something. but they got this stuff from books written by supposed prophets who had seen jesus and angels mainly gabriel who told them this. but hell my gramma and grampa claim to have seen the dancing sun, there friend was dying of csncer and petals fell out of the air covering her and each one was from a violet rose that had an image of christ on it. i saw one of these with my own eyes and i am positive it was real since it was wiltng. my grandmother also said she saw jesus come through the bathroom window whilst she was brushing her teeth ( this was when they lived in malta rich history of catholisism).

i am skeptical about these things and write this with a slight mocking attitude but it haggles in the back of my as to whether this stuff is true since i had my own experience of divine intervention:confused::crazy2:


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Anonymous #24

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #9]
    #9754706 - 02/07/09 12:24 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I think we really are in the last of days.
I don't think he is the anti-christ but the way for it. So much is happening and we are all so blind.


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #24]
    #9754714 - 02/07/09 12:26 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I would love to see Bible chapter and verse for some of the crazy shit being thrown out here.


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #9754775 - 02/07/09 12:43 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

This line of thinking incorporates  :pope: and  :morefoil:. They go together just like peas and carrots.


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #20]
    #9754820 - 02/07/09 12:53 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

i cant believe how many bible nuts there are. lol.


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #9754864 - 02/07/09 01:01 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

why do you not believe?


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #24]
    #9754975 - 02/07/09 01:27 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I don't believe because I think it is not true.

There are two things.
1. Believing in the bible.
2. #1 and going into the pope is the anti-christ and verichip is the mark of the beast.

I don't believe either. I can deal with people who believe #1, but those who believe #2 belong in padded cells.


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #9755089 - 02/07/09 01:56 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #6 said:
I would love to see Bible chapter and verse for some of the crazy shit being thrown out here.




Tell me what you're referring to and if it is Biblical I'll post a link to the verse.


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #24]
    #9755149 - 02/07/09 02:16 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #24 said:
why do you not believe?


people who take the bible literally are stupid.


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #20]
    #9755218 - 02/07/09 02:38 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

What makes it not true?
and we can go on about this, huh?
I think God reveals to us at his time.  The books in the bible is not written by someone unknown. There is details like names, dates, etc. So many ppl are called but few listen,  God uses us for his will, and these ppl were used to spread his word. When reading the bible keeping faith and asking god to show you the truth is really how you should go about it. Faith is something we naturally can't commit to cause our minds are plagued with so much thinking and an ego that you have to break free from. But that's our ongoing battle.


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #24]
    #9755233 - 02/07/09 02:48 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #24 said:
What makes it not true?
and we can go on about this, huh?
I think God reveals to us at his time.  The books in the bible is not written by someone unknown. There is details like names, dates, etc. So many ppl are called but few listen,  God uses us for his will, and these ppl were used to spread his word. When reading the bible keeping faith and asking god to show you the truth is really how you should go about it. Faith is something we naturally can't commit to cause our minds are plagued with so much thinking and an ego that you have to break free from. But that's our ongoing battle.




thats totally erroneous. we have little to no idea of who wrote the books of the Bible. The OT was written by 4 separate authors, labeled J,D,E, and P.

Moses didn't write it. fools who argue that he wrote the Torah don't ever take into account the fact that the real author records the death of Moses and also mentions that the location of Moses' grave had been known "for some time," insinuating that he had been dead for many many years.

if you're referring to the NT, well, the only author of any of those books that we can verify is Paul. then you have the whole argument of was he Gnostic or not. Many scholars consider some of the works attributed to him to be forgeries.

The best to read the Bible is to read it like you would read any other book. if it strikes you as moral, true, or without contradiction, then good for you. if it strikes you as a horrible contradictory book about a violent storm god, ignore it.


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Anonymous #24

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #9755284 - 02/07/09 03:00 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

the bible is not meant to be taken literal.
Why do you think there is so many interpretations and religions that stem from it?
But you have to ask which is from god? Knowing the word and trying to have your own relationship with god,  to open your heart and mind to  his truth will answer you questions.


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #24]
    #9755314 - 02/07/09 03:10 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I strongly disagree.  The reason there are interpretations is because people seek ways to follow their desires and still feel like they're following God.

Show me an example of something you mean is not to be taken literally - book and verse.


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Anonymous #16

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9755327 - 02/07/09 03:13 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

so you think that it should be? if so youre stupid.


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #9755349 - 02/07/09 03:18 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #16 said:
so you think that it should be? if so youre stupid.




Bow before his incredible debate skills!


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Anonymous #20

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #9755666 - 02/07/09 04:21 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Obama, the anti-christ reptillian nwo overlord, flys ufos spraying chemtrails of fluoride on the children.


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9755679 - 02/07/09 04:23 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #2 said:
I strongly disagree.  The reason there are interpretations is because people seek ways to follow their desires and still feel like they're following God.

Show me an example of something you mean is not to be taken literally - book and verse.




You must become like children to enter the kingdom of god.


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #9755698 - 02/07/09 04:26 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #6 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #16 said:
so you think that it should be? if so youre stupid.




Bow before his incredible debate skills!


i didnt need to debate anything. If youre willing to blindly believe a book word for word, that was written thousands of years ago without any proof of evidence youre a moron.


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #9755719 - 02/07/09 04:30 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #16 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #6 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #16 said:
so you think that it should be? if so youre stupid.




Bow before his incredible debate skills!


i didnt need to debate anything. If youre willing to blindly believe a book word for word, that was written thousands of years ago without any proof of evidence youre a moron.




Nobody is talking about believing it word for word.

We're talking about whether the information is meant to be read literally, or figuratively.

Reading it literally does not mean you believe it word for word, it means you believe it should be read as meaning what it says, as opposed to there being some deeper meaning in the words that is left unsaid.

Get it?


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #9755725 - 02/07/09 04:32 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

it means you believe it should be read as meaning what it says.... yeah and how is this not word for word? I think youre confused about the meaning of the word literal.


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #9755769 - 02/07/09 04:39 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Ugh, again, you are saying we are talking about whether it is true or false.

You called him a moron for believing the bible should be read literally.

When he says yes, he isn't necessarily saying it is true, although he may indeed hold such a belief.  He's saying it is MEANT, by it's writer, to be read as a truthful account.

The actual truth has nothing to do with whether certain statements are figurative or literal.


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    #9755779 - 02/07/09 04:43 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonymous #20

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #9755797 - 02/07/09 04:46 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #16 said:
it means you believe it should be read as meaning what it says.... yeah and how is this not word for word? I think youre confused about the meaning of the word literal.




Gotta go with #16 FTW.


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #9755802 - 02/07/09 04:48 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #20 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #2 said:
I strongly disagree.  The reason there are interpretations is because people seek ways to follow their desires and still feel like they're following God.

Show me an example of something you mean is not to be taken literally - book and verse.




You must become like children to enter the kingdom of god.




Yes, that is literal. Children are pure




Children are also small, undeveloped, uneducated, etc. Choosing the one quality of a child that you think is appropriate is called interpretation.


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    #9755821 - 02/07/09 04:52 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonymous #3

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #9755833 - 02/07/09 04:53 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, clearly you haven't had to deal with the temper tantrums of a spoiled, bratty, malevolent two year old.

Pure my ass.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #9755840 - 02/07/09 04:54 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
It's the only quality that matters in this instance :shrug:




How do you know? Is there another cross reference in the bible saying purity is a qualification to enter the kingdom of God? My interpretation is that children have less preconceived notions than adults.


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Anonymous #6

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #9755845 - 02/07/09 04:54 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life" (John 6:27)

What food, exactly, endures forever?


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #9755850 - 02/07/09 04:55 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #6 said:
Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life" (John 6:27)

What food, exactly, endures forever?




Food is a metaphor here for spiritual nourishment.

Ask and ye shall receive.  Let him who hath ears, hear.


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    #9755853 - 02/07/09 04:56 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #9755866 - 02/07/09 04:58 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

You sound like a psychologically immature, wanna-be spiritual holier-than-thou.

Kids act maliciously because they're kids.  They can show affection just as much as they can show hatred.  To call them pure is to deny the whole other side of what makes kids humans.

Inherent traits of the parents?  :rolleyes:  Come back to me when you raise your own kids.


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Anonymous #20

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #9755878 - 02/07/09 05:00 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #6 said:
Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life" (John 6:27)

What food, exactly, endures forever?




Twinkies.


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. [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #9755884 - 02/07/09 05:01 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #9755889 - 02/07/09 05:01 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Sometimes that's what truth tastes like.  :smirk:


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #9755891 - 02/07/09 05:02 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #3 said:
You sound like a psychologically immature, wanna-be spiritual holier-than-thou.




You've never met a christian before?


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #9755894 - 02/07/09 05:02 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #3 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #6 said:
Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life" (John 6:27)

What food, exactly, endures forever?




Food is a metaphor here for spiritual nourishment.

Ask and ye shall receive.  Let him who hath ears, hear.




I know that, I'm merely pointing out another non-literal bible verse for the guy here claiming the entire thing is literal.


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Anonymous #13

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #20]
    #9756065 - 02/07/09 05:52 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #20 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #6 said:
Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life" (John 6:27)

What food, exactly, endures forever?




Twinkies.




:rofl2:


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Anonymous #6

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #13]
    #9756088 - 02/07/09 05:57 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I was watching a television show, maybe "No Reservations" and they were touring an old Twinkie factory in Cleveland that was now being used to house the World's Largest Bookstore, and they showed that the pipes were still filled with high fructose corn syrup, and that it wasn't rotting and even the rats wouldn't eat it.

Strangeness!


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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #9757498 - 02/07/09 09:51 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #6 said:
I know that, I'm merely pointing out another non-literal bible verse for the guy here claiming the entire thing is literal.




Let me ask you this first - Do you think this sentence...

"I would go to any extreme to win an argument."

...means that a person would kill their opponent in the debate?

While the sentence I typed above is not literal in the fact that most people would not truly do anything up to and including murdering a debater to win the argument, no one who hears the sentence will be confused about its meaning.

Aside from that though, perhaps you should read the testimonies of people who have received Christ in prison.  You'll find many examples here: http://www.persecution.com/

I think you'll find that the Word of God fed their spirit when all hope was lost.

So I would argue that it is quite literal.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9757534 - 02/07/09 10:00 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I forgot to check the verse... you didn't include the whole thing #6.

It also states that Jesus will give us this food.  Jesus won't be back until the Rapture, at which point we become new beings.  We will be sustained by the Word of God and not the food you're thinking of.

So yeah, 100% literal.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #9757567 - 02/07/09 10:07 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #3 said:
Kids act maliciously because they're kids.  They can show affection just as much as they can show hatred.  To call them pure is to deny the whole other side of what makes kids humans.




The difference is that kids don't know better.  God doesn't kick three-legged dogs for running slow.

But, to get to the "non-literal" criticism of this verse - Matthew 18:3, you just have to read the sentence after the one that was quoted.

"2He called a little child and had him stand among them. 3And he said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven."

Jesus tells you exactly the trait of the child he is referring to.  The child humbly obeyed when Jesus beckoned him.  He didn't ask what was in it for him, he didn't try to bargain with Jesus "If I come there what will you do?"... he simply obeyed.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9757576 - 02/07/09 10:09 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

And we want to instill blind obedience to authority in our children because...?

Knowing better is a loaded term; by whose standards do they know better?  They know how to conform, but that's certainly not a 'better' state.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #9757746 - 02/07/09 10:36 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I disagree.  Without conformity society would not exist.

To exhibit faith one has to trust God.  You may think 'blind obedience to authority' is bad, and in society it is.  In following a perfect and loving God, it is not bad.  You distrust the world's authority, and rightly so.  It is imperfect because it is run by people, and all of us inherited the sin nature from Adam.

God expects blind obedience because it proves we know He is holy.  He would never do anything to hurt us, and He expects to be trusted.  It is an insult to God to say, "I need to understand how you are going to get me through this before I'll believe you will."


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Anonymous #19

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9757784 - 02/07/09 10:43 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

It's fucking moronic to try to tell anyone what God thinks and wants.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #19]
    #9757798 - 02/07/09 10:46 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Glad you settled that for us. :fuckyou:


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Anonymous #3

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9757805 - 02/07/09 10:47 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #2 said: He would never do anything to hurt us




Except stand by and let hurricanes kill thousands and maim many more.  Except stand by and let serial killers wreak their twisted vengeance on the world.  Except let people be born into slavery and countless suffering.

Quote:

Anonymous #2 said: It is an insult to God to say :blah:




It is an insult to God to say that he needs any of our belief.


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Anonymous #19

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9757888 - 02/07/09 11:01 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #2 said:
Glad you settled that for us. :fuckyou:




Always a pleasure to be of service. :werd:


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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #9757896 - 02/07/09 11:02 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #3 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #2 said: He would never do anything to hurt us




Except stand by and let hurricanes kill thousands and maim many more.  Except stand by and let serial killers wreak their twisted vengeance on the world.  Except let people be born into slavery and countless suffering.

Quote:

Anonymous #2 said: It is an insult to God to say :blah:




It is an insult to God to say that he needs any of our belief.




Until sin entered the world none of these things were issues.  So blame Adam, not God.

It is no insult to God to say He needs us - that is why He created us.  God desired to be loved.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9757923 - 02/07/09 11:08 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #2 said:
Until sin entered the world none of these things were issues.  So blame Adam, not God.




If God created the world then God also created sin.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #9757950 - 02/07/09 11:13 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Man created it.  Before man disobeyed God, no sin had ever been committed.  God merely allowed man to create sin.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9757961 - 02/07/09 11:15 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

And being that God is omniscient, God saw the resultant suffering and evil that would consequently be inflicted on the world and yet He chose to give us free will anyway.

Doesn't really sound like that great of a god to me.  :shrug:


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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #9757983 - 02/07/09 11:19 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

"He is not willing that any should perish, no, not one."

God sent His son to pay for your sins.  Who cares what price He set on sin if He paid it Himself?

If you believe that the pain in this life outweighs the benefit of living it, why haven't you killed yourself yet?


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Anonymous #3

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9757993 - 02/07/09 11:20 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #2 said:
If you believe that the pain in this life outweighs the benefit of living it, why haven't you killed yourself yet?




Or, instead of making crappy arguments like 'we should appreciate what we have because it could be far worse', God could have created Heaven on Earth for us.  No suffering, no pain, only eternal bliss.

The lack of this essentially proves the nonexistence of a benevolent God.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #9758018 - 02/07/09 11:26 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Might want to read the first chapter* of the Bible.  God did create this for us, and we screwed it up.

*edit: Book.  I meant book.


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Anonymous #19

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9758024 - 02/07/09 11:27 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

How did WE screw up if it was GOD that made us? :rolleyes:

This thread is fucking retarded. Fail.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #19]
    #9758035 - 02/07/09 11:30 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

What exactly are you asking?  God made the Garden of Eden. Man sinned. Man got thrown out.

That is how we screwed it up.  I already mentioned that God gave us free will so I am confused as to what your point was.


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Anonymous #19

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9758041 - 02/07/09 11:32 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

God made man, God made free will, and so when god's creation uses god's creation to fuck everything up, it's god's creation's fault?

This doesn't make any goddamn sense. Take your nonsensical dogma somewhere people will give a fuck.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9758044 - 02/07/09 11:32 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

A. God is omniscient.
B. God knew that we would sin and cause suffering if we got free will.
C. God gives us free will anyway.

Conclusion: God is a malicious being.


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Anonymous #19

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #9758051 - 02/07/09 11:34 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

If God exists he/she/it has no personality or agenda. That's how I see it. I bristle when people tell me what God thinks.


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #19]
    #9758071 - 02/07/09 11:38 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #19 said:
If God exists he/she/it has no personality or agenda. That's how I see it. I bristle when people tell me what God thinks.




Um, you made that pretty obvious without having to repeat it here, but ok, we get it.  Explain why it's ok for you to be sure about the nature of God, but not me.


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Anonymous #19

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9758076 - 02/07/09 11:39 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I don't force my opinion about the unknown down other people's throats unless they provoke me. :shrug:


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Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #19]
    #9758086 - 02/07/09 11:41 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #19 said:
God made man, God made free will, and so when god's creation uses god's creation to fuck everything up, it's god's creation's fault?

This doesn't make any goddamn sense.




Ruger makes firearms.  When a criminal fires a gun at your head, it is Bill Ruger's fault, because Bill Ruger knew that criminals would get guns?


Quote:

Take your nonsensical dogma somewhere people will give a fuck.




I realize that you don't realize this, but about half the posters in this thread are believers, and for someone who doesn't give a fuck, you seem unable to stop replying.

Maybe you should be more honest with yourself about your need to prove there is no God.  Do you feel as strongly about Bigfoot?


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Anonymous #19

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9758095 - 02/07/09 11:43 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #2 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #19 said:
God made man, God made free will, and so when god's creation uses god's creation to fuck everything up, it's god's creation's fault?

This doesn't make any goddamn sense.




Ruger makes firearms.  When a criminal fires a gun at your head, it is Bill Ruger's fault, because Bill Ruger knew that criminals would get guns?




Unlike God, Ruger did not make criminals.


Quote:

Take your nonsensical dogma somewhere people will give a fuck.




I realize that you don't realize this, but about half the posters in this thread are believers, and for someone who doesn't give a fuck, you seem unable to stop replying.

Maybe you should be more honest with yourself about your need to prove there is no God.  Do you feel as strongly about Bigfoot?




I just think this is a really dumb thread. No, Obama is not the anti-christ. The anti-christ is a fictional character, just like the christ.

Sorry. :shrug:


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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #19]
    #9758097 - 02/07/09 11:43 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #19 said:
I don't force my opinion about the unknown down other people's throats unless they provoke me. :shrug:




I'm fairly certain that no one is forcing you to participate here.


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Anonymous #19

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9758104 - 02/07/09 11:44 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

You cluttered up my brain with your stupid bullshit. All I was doing was surfing SA.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9758116 - 02/07/09 11:48 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #2 said:
Ruger makes firearms.  When a criminal fires a gun at your head, it is Bill Ruger's fault, because Bill Ruger knew that criminals would get guns?




If Bill Ruger knew that the criminal would purchase his gun and then use it to kill someone, yes it would be Bill Ruger's fault.

I'm sorry, but the ability to explain theodicy is beyond your simple, faith-addled mind.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #9758150 - 02/07/09 11:55 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Nice to see you resort to ad hominem attacks.  That is as close to an admission of defeat as I expect to see from you.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9758155 - 02/07/09 11:56 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #2 said:
Nice to see you resort to ad hominem attacks.  That is as close to an admission of defeat as I expect to see from you.




Nice way to avoid the insurmountable problem of theodicy simply because I chose to spice up my presentation.  :hippie:

Also, no answer on the Ruger analogy?


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