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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #9757950 - 02/07/09 11:13 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Man created it.  Before man disobeyed God, no sin had ever been committed.  God merely allowed man to create sin.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9757961 - 02/07/09 11:15 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

And being that God is omniscient, God saw the resultant suffering and evil that would consequently be inflicted on the world and yet He chose to give us free will anyway.

Doesn't really sound like that great of a god to me.  :shrug:


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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #9757983 - 02/07/09 11:19 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

"He is not willing that any should perish, no, not one."

God sent His son to pay for your sins.  Who cares what price He set on sin if He paid it Himself?

If you believe that the pain in this life outweighs the benefit of living it, why haven't you killed yourself yet?


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Anonymous #3

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9757993 - 02/07/09 11:20 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #2 said:
If you believe that the pain in this life outweighs the benefit of living it, why haven't you killed yourself yet?




Or, instead of making crappy arguments like 'we should appreciate what we have because it could be far worse', God could have created Heaven on Earth for us.  No suffering, no pain, only eternal bliss.

The lack of this essentially proves the nonexistence of a benevolent God.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #9758018 - 02/07/09 11:26 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Might want to read the first chapter* of the Bible.  God did create this for us, and we screwed it up.

*edit: Book.  I meant book.


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Anonymous #19

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9758024 - 02/07/09 11:27 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

How did WE screw up if it was GOD that made us? :rolleyes:

This thread is fucking retarded. Fail.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #19]
    #9758035 - 02/07/09 11:30 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

What exactly are you asking?  God made the Garden of Eden. Man sinned. Man got thrown out.

That is how we screwed it up.  I already mentioned that God gave us free will so I am confused as to what your point was.


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Anonymous #19

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9758041 - 02/07/09 11:32 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

God made man, God made free will, and so when god's creation uses god's creation to fuck everything up, it's god's creation's fault?

This doesn't make any goddamn sense. Take your nonsensical dogma somewhere people will give a fuck.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9758044 - 02/07/09 11:32 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

A. God is omniscient.
B. God knew that we would sin and cause suffering if we got free will.
C. God gives us free will anyway.

Conclusion: God is a malicious being.


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Anonymous #19

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #9758051 - 02/07/09 11:34 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

If God exists he/she/it has no personality or agenda. That's how I see it. I bristle when people tell me what God thinks.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #19]
    #9758071 - 02/07/09 11:38 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #19 said:
If God exists he/she/it has no personality or agenda. That's how I see it. I bristle when people tell me what God thinks.




Um, you made that pretty obvious without having to repeat it here, but ok, we get it.  Explain why it's ok for you to be sure about the nature of God, but not me.


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Anonymous #19

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9758076 - 02/07/09 11:39 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I don't force my opinion about the unknown down other people's throats unless they provoke me. :shrug:


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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #19]
    #9758086 - 02/07/09 11:41 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #19 said:
God made man, God made free will, and so when god's creation uses god's creation to fuck everything up, it's god's creation's fault?

This doesn't make any goddamn sense.




Ruger makes firearms.  When a criminal fires a gun at your head, it is Bill Ruger's fault, because Bill Ruger knew that criminals would get guns?


Quote:

Take your nonsensical dogma somewhere people will give a fuck.




I realize that you don't realize this, but about half the posters in this thread are believers, and for someone who doesn't give a fuck, you seem unable to stop replying.

Maybe you should be more honest with yourself about your need to prove there is no God.  Do you feel as strongly about Bigfoot?


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Anonymous #19

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9758095 - 02/07/09 11:43 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #2 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #19 said:
God made man, God made free will, and so when god's creation uses god's creation to fuck everything up, it's god's creation's fault?

This doesn't make any goddamn sense.




Ruger makes firearms.  When a criminal fires a gun at your head, it is Bill Ruger's fault, because Bill Ruger knew that criminals would get guns?




Unlike God, Ruger did not make criminals.


Quote:

Take your nonsensical dogma somewhere people will give a fuck.




I realize that you don't realize this, but about half the posters in this thread are believers, and for someone who doesn't give a fuck, you seem unable to stop replying.

Maybe you should be more honest with yourself about your need to prove there is no God.  Do you feel as strongly about Bigfoot?




I just think this is a really dumb thread. No, Obama is not the anti-christ. The anti-christ is a fictional character, just like the christ.

Sorry. :shrug:


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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #19]
    #9758097 - 02/07/09 11:43 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #19 said:
I don't force my opinion about the unknown down other people's throats unless they provoke me. :shrug:




I'm fairly certain that no one is forcing you to participate here.


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Anonymous #19

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9758104 - 02/07/09 11:44 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

You cluttered up my brain with your stupid bullshit. All I was doing was surfing SA.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9758116 - 02/07/09 11:48 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #2 said:
Ruger makes firearms.  When a criminal fires a gun at your head, it is Bill Ruger's fault, because Bill Ruger knew that criminals would get guns?




If Bill Ruger knew that the criminal would purchase his gun and then use it to kill someone, yes it would be Bill Ruger's fault.

I'm sorry, but the ability to explain theodicy is beyond your simple, faith-addled mind.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #9758150 - 02/07/09 11:55 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Nice to see you resort to ad hominem attacks.  That is as close to an admission of defeat as I expect to see from you.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9758155 - 02/07/09 11:56 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #2 said:
Nice to see you resort to ad hominem attacks.  That is as close to an admission of defeat as I expect to see from you.




Nice way to avoid the insurmountable problem of theodicy simply because I chose to spice up my presentation.  :hippie:

Also, no answer on the Ruger analogy?


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