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Anonymous #24

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #20]
    #9755218 - 02/07/09 02:38 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

What makes it not true?
and we can go on about this, huh?
I think God reveals to us at his time.  The books in the bible is not written by someone unknown. There is details like names, dates, etc. So many ppl are called but few listen,  God uses us for his will, and these ppl were used to spread his word. When reading the bible keeping faith and asking god to show you the truth is really how you should go about it. Faith is something we naturally can't commit to cause our minds are plagued with so much thinking and an ego that you have to break free from. But that's our ongoing battle.


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Anonymous #13

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #24]
    #9755233 - 02/07/09 02:48 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonymous #24 said:
What makes it not true?
and we can go on about this, huh?
I think God reveals to us at his time.  The books in the bible is not written by someone unknown. There is details like names, dates, etc. So many ppl are called but few listen,  God uses us for his will, and these ppl were used to spread his word. When reading the bible keeping faith and asking god to show you the truth is really how you should go about it. Faith is something we naturally can't commit to cause our minds are plagued with so much thinking and an ego that you have to break free from. But that's our ongoing battle.




thats totally erroneous. we have little to no idea of who wrote the books of the Bible. The OT was written by 4 separate authors, labeled J,D,E, and P.

Moses didn't write it. fools who argue that he wrote the Torah don't ever take into account the fact that the real author records the death of Moses and also mentions that the location of Moses' grave had been known "for some time," insinuating that he had been dead for many many years.

if you're referring to the NT, well, the only author of any of those books that we can verify is Paul. then you have the whole argument of was he Gnostic or not. Many scholars consider some of the works attributed to him to be forgeries.

The best to read the Bible is to read it like you would read any other book. if it strikes you as moral, true, or without contradiction, then good for you. if it strikes you as a horrible contradictory book about a violent storm god, ignore it.


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Anonymous #24

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #9755284 - 02/07/09 03:00 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

the bible is not meant to be taken literal.
Why do you think there is so many interpretations and religions that stem from it?
But you have to ask which is from god? Knowing the word and trying to have your own relationship with god,  to open your heart and mind to  his truth will answer you questions.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #24]
    #9755314 - 02/07/09 03:10 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I strongly disagree.  The reason there are interpretations is because people seek ways to follow their desires and still feel like they're following God.

Show me an example of something you mean is not to be taken literally - book and verse.


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Anonymous #16

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9755327 - 02/07/09 03:13 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

so you think that it should be? if so youre stupid.


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Anonymous #6

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #9755349 - 02/07/09 03:18 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonymous #16 said:
so you think that it should be? if so youre stupid.




Bow before his incredible debate skills!


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Anonymous #20

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #9755666 - 02/07/09 04:21 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Obama, the anti-christ reptillian nwo overlord, flys ufos spraying chemtrails of fluoride on the children.


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Anonymous #20

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #9755679 - 02/07/09 04:23 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #2 said:
I strongly disagree.  The reason there are interpretations is because people seek ways to follow their desires and still feel like they're following God.

Show me an example of something you mean is not to be taken literally - book and verse.




You must become like children to enter the kingdom of god.


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Anonymous #16

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #9755698 - 02/07/09 04:26 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonymous #6 said:
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Anonymous #16 said:
so you think that it should be? if so youre stupid.




Bow before his incredible debate skills!


i didnt need to debate anything. If youre willing to blindly believe a book word for word, that was written thousands of years ago without any proof of evidence youre a moron.


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Anonymous #6

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #9755719 - 02/07/09 04:30 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonymous #16 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #6 said:
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Anonymous #16 said:
so you think that it should be? if so youre stupid.




Bow before his incredible debate skills!


i didnt need to debate anything. If youre willing to blindly believe a book word for word, that was written thousands of years ago without any proof of evidence youre a moron.




Nobody is talking about believing it word for word.

We're talking about whether the information is meant to be read literally, or figuratively.

Reading it literally does not mean you believe it word for word, it means you believe it should be read as meaning what it says, as opposed to there being some deeper meaning in the words that is left unsaid.

Get it?


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Anonymous #16

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #9755725 - 02/07/09 04:32 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

it means you believe it should be read as meaning what it says.... yeah and how is this not word for word? I think youre confused about the meaning of the word literal.


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Anonymous #6

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #9755769 - 02/07/09 04:39 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Ugh, again, you are saying we are talking about whether it is true or false.

You called him a moron for believing the bible should be read literally.

When he says yes, he isn't necessarily saying it is true, although he may indeed hold such a belief.  He's saying it is MEANT, by it's writer, to be read as a truthful account.

The actual truth has nothing to do with whether certain statements are figurative or literal.


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Anonymous #1

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    #9755779 - 02/07/09 04:43 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonymous #20

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #9755797 - 02/07/09 04:46 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #16 said:
it means you believe it should be read as meaning what it says.... yeah and how is this not word for word? I think youre confused about the meaning of the word literal.




Gotta go with #16 FTW.


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Anonymous #20

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #9755802 - 02/07/09 04:48 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonymous #1 said:
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Anonymous #20 said:
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Anonymous #2 said:
I strongly disagree.  The reason there are interpretations is because people seek ways to follow their desires and still feel like they're following God.

Show me an example of something you mean is not to be taken literally - book and verse.




You must become like children to enter the kingdom of god.




Yes, that is literal. Children are pure




Children are also small, undeveloped, uneducated, etc. Choosing the one quality of a child that you think is appropriate is called interpretation.


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Anonymous #1

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    #9755821 - 02/07/09 04:52 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonymous #3

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #9755833 - 02/07/09 04:53 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, clearly you haven't had to deal with the temper tantrums of a spoiled, bratty, malevolent two year old.

Pure my ass.  :rolleyes:


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Anonymous #20

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #9755840 - 02/07/09 04:54 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Anonymous #1 said:
It's the only quality that matters in this instance :shrug:




How do you know? Is there another cross reference in the bible saying purity is a qualification to enter the kingdom of God? My interpretation is that children have less preconceived notions than adults.


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Anonymous #6

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #9755845 - 02/07/09 04:54 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life" (John 6:27)

What food, exactly, endures forever?


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Anonymous #3

Re: Does anyone else think Obama could be the antichrist? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #9755850 - 02/07/09 04:55 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #6 said:
Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life" (John 6:27)

What food, exactly, endures forever?




Food is a metaphor here for spiritual nourishment.

Ask and ye shall receive.  Let him who hath ears, hear.


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