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How to make the most of full pint jars? (BRF PF-Tek)
    #9638471 - 01/19/09 02:04 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I know that half-pint jars are considered by basically everyone to be superior to full-pints, and I also know that tons of noobs have still managed to grow in full-pints. What I'm wondering is, do any of the rules change when growing in full-pint jars? I realize colonization time is gonna go up, and I don't really think colonization is going to change. I used 4 inoc points, same as I would for half-pint. But what about when it comes time to fruit? Normally I'd dunk and roll, place in tote filled with watered perlite. But these are awfully large. Would it be possible(profitable) to cut/break the cakes in half? Since they're twice as big, can I split them up and get a standard yield like I would with half-pint cakes? I figure I'd do the split before dunk/roll. Or is it just better to keep them as full cakes and treat them normally? If anyone has any other advice on making the most of full-pint jars, I'd love to hear it.

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Some extra information... I've been incubating them in a pretty basic incubator, one tote inside of another with water and an aquarium heater, but it keeps the temperature at a very steady 80.6 degrees. I've heard you want the temp a bit lower than 86 because the jars themselves will be hotter than the temp inside the tote. There were some other things I never really read into(like shaking up jars, for example) because I never read that it was worth it for half-pint PF Tek. But I'm just wondering if full-pint jars make a difference for either incubation or fruiting strategies. I'd planned on just using a standard fruiting chamber, cakes sitting on perlite, but if someone knows a better strategy for me at this point I'm more than willing to listen.

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Re: How to make the most of full pint jars? (BRF PF-Tek) [Re: TheAnimate]
    #9638500 - 01/19/09 02:08 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i dont have any experience with full pints but i think you could just treat is a a regular pf cake. dunk and roll.


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Re: How to make the most of full pint jars? (BRF PF-Tek) [Re: TheAnimate]
    #9638503 - 01/19/09 02:08 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

time added to colonizing for sure, but the smaller 1/2 pint size gives you more surface area to grow/fruit on.  one big ass cake doesnt mean bigger/larger yields, just more food for myc.IMO.


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Re: How to make the most of full pint jars? (BRF PF-Tek) [Re: 13shrooms]
    #9638518 - 01/19/09 02:10 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

1 pint is the same as 2 1/2 pints in every respect except the colonization time will be up 70%


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Re: How to make the most of full pint jars? (BRF PF-Tek) [Re: 13shrooms]
    #9638526 - 01/19/09 02:12 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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time added to colonizing for sure, but the smaller 1/2 pint size gives you more surface area to grow/fruit on.  one big ass cake doesnt mean bigger/larger yields, just more food for myc.IMO.




Hmm. In this case, does that mean that they're more likely to yield extra flushes? Or grow larger shrooms before a flush finishes?
Will that change the potency of the individual shrooms, if they grow larger in the same flush? I could see them becoming weaker if there's more shroom but not any extra psilocybe.

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Re: How to make the most of full pint jars? (BRF PF-Tek) [Re: TheAnimate]
    #9638565 - 01/19/09 02:18 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

They can be cut in half with a good knife. and fruited as two half pint sized cakes if you like. I did this at first because I couldnt find half pint jars.

you can also just fruit them as is. I laid them sideways like a log in the FC.

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Re: How to make the most of full pint jars? (BRF PF-Tek) [Re: 13shrooms]
    #9638582 - 01/19/09 02:20 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Just fruit like normal.  a 1 pt cake is gonna give you more final harvest than a half pint.  They take longer and might stall, which is why they aren't reccomended.  But if yours do manage to reach 100% colonization, a 1pt is better than a 1/2 pint, but not better than 2 1/2 pints.  Get it?

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Re: How to make the most of full pint jars? (BRF PF-Tek) [Re: TheAnimate]
    #9638603 - 01/19/09 02:24 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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time added to colonizing for sure, but the smaller 1/2 pint size gives you more surface area to grow/fruit on.  one big ass cake doesnt mean bigger/larger yields, just more food for myc.IMO.




Hmm. In this case, does that mean that they're more likely to yield extra flushes? Or grow larger shrooms before a flush finishes?
Will that change the potency of the individual shrooms, if they grow larger in the same flush? I could see them becoming weaker if there's more shroom but not any extra psilocybe.





you prob would get extra flushes cause your big ass cake is still full of nutes. (have fun dunk and rollin) a few bigger shrooms r possible.  but potency wont get better or worse.  its still a cube growing on a pf brf/cake.  potency is still varied from flush to flush/spore to spore.  if u clone you can get consistency in potancy(if u pick the right one to clone)  but not from MS syringes or LCs.


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Re: How to make the most of full pint jars? (BRF PF-Tek) [Re: 13shrooms]
    #9638658 - 01/19/09 02:32 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I'd suggest cutting them into half pints, maybe even cut em long ways, then they'd have more surface area.

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Re: How to make the most of full pint jars? (BRF PF-Tek) [Re: krypto2000]
    #9638898 - 01/19/09 03:05 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

If you have no choice but to use full pints/500ml jars, cut the amount of water by at least ten percent.  That means the basic recipe becomes 2-1-.9 rather than 2-1-1.
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Re: How to make the most of full pint jars? (BRF PF-Tek) [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9638979 - 01/19/09 03:16 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I'm using  pt jars as well. I can tell you it does take longer for them to colonize. Out of 6 jars, 1 shows signs of growth. We'll see what happens.


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Re: How to make the most of full pint jars? (BRF PF-Tek) [Re: krypto2000]
    #9639198 - 01/19/09 03:48 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I would actually suggest spawning to coir, 7 extra days and 10x the yield


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Re: How to make the most of full pint jars? (BRF PF-Tek) [Re: neopet nub]
    #9639320 - 01/19/09 04:06 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Also, plastic pints work better then glass pints  because you can shake them.

The glass pints get compacted and colonize really slow.  I had one take something like 6 or 7 weeks.

I've got a quart sized plastic container with a little over a pint-sized cake colonizing.  It's on Day 8 and almost fully colonized.  Probably be ready on day 9 or 10.


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Re: How to make the most of full pint jars? (BRF PF-Tek) [Re: Spongiform]
    #9639586 - 01/19/09 04:52 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

If that is what you must use then you can use them. Slightly drier mix (which i prefer anyway even with 1/2 pints) and be extra carefull in keeping the substrate fluffed up.

I have seen pints perform OK. But nothing compared to 1/2 pints and quarter pints.

Say for instance, you can get 70 grams fresh from a 1/2 pint, so for a full pint it would make sense to get 140 grams. Well i have never seen this. Ive never seen pints produce double what a half pint does.

Colinisation takes a hell of a lot longer, sometimes more than double the time of a half pint cake.

Plastic containers are a good alternative, but you must make sure its make of a good PP plastic thats not really thing otherwise they warp. The advantage of plastic is you can bend it and mix up the cakes. You have to miss out the dry verm and use another filter, like micropore tape.


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Re: How to make the most of full pint jars? (BRF PF-Tek) [Re: TheAnimate]
    #9736143 - 02/04/09 06:33 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Can full pint jars just be filled half-way to mimic a half-pint, or would that cause any problems?

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Re: How to make the most of full pint jars? (BRF PF-Tek) [Re: Sebastien]
    #9736181 - 02/04/09 06:39 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Can full pint jars just be filled half-way to mimic a half-pint, or would that cause any problems?




Would be very hard to inoculate past the dry verm layer unless you have a ~4" needle. I would advise against it because if you wet the verm layer with inoculate, it will be useless as a filter.

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Re: How to make the most of full pint jars? (BRF PF-Tek) [Re: 13shrooms]
    #9736260 - 02/04/09 06:48 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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time added to colonizing for sure, but the smaller 1/2 pint size gives you more surface area to grow/fruit on.  one big ass cake doesnt mean bigger/larger yields, just more food for myc.IMO.




^^ This is dead wrong with the exception of longer colonization times.


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