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 CureCat
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 Re: Yard Find - assistance appreciated :)  [Re: landsnorkler]
#9725687 - 02/02/09 09:27 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Also remember that the colour of the spores in the OP's photos is obscured by the colour of the pileus (yellow/orange), perhaps making the spores appear more brown than purple.
Here is a photo Alan took of some H. fasciculare with similarly light spore deposits.
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alteredstates
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Re: Yard Find - assistance appreciated :) [Re: CureCat]
#9726083 - 02/02/09 10:27 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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woot! i'm finally startin to catch on.
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Mr. Mushrooms
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Re: Yard Find - assistance appreciated :) [Re: CureCat]
#9726192 - 02/02/09 10:42 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, I agree. The OP's mushrooms are Hypholoma. However, Alan's photos are flash which brings out the purplish-black tones. The OP's are in later daylight which skews red producing a more brown tone. You can see how late the day is and the time of year by the length of the shadows.
Weiliiiiiiiiii's on the other hand, are not brown at all if you have a closer view. They are lavender to pink and purple to purple-black. I can analyze individual pixels by number and run an average if needed.
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weiliiiiiii
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Re: Yard Find - assistance appreciated :) [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#9726204 - 02/02/09 10:45 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah i think we are talking about how the human eye views a print, not how it looks after its pixels have been analyzed on computer software
i dont know about you but i dont have that software in my head, that print looks purple/dark brown to me
Edited by weiliiiiiii (02/02/09 10:51 PM)
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Mr. Mushrooms
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Re: Yard Find - assistance appreciated :) [Re: weiliiiiiii]
#9726259 - 02/02/09 10:55 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I mentioned this to CC in another thread. Some of the appearance is due to variables that are, to some degree, subjective. Your eye, for example, versus mine. On the other hand, computer software can take some of the subjectivity out of it by assigning numbers to pixels and calculating the average. It's science.
This isn't a new discussion. Mycologists have been discussing coloration for at least 50 years. That's why color charts were created.
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CureCat
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Re: Yard Find - assistance appreciated :) [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#9726288 - 02/02/09 11:01 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Okay, but I'm really not trying to argue colour so much as I am saying that I think the mushrooms are H. fasciculare... Spore colour is variable, from what I've seen.
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weiliiiiiii
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Re: Yard Find - assistance appreciated :) [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#9726302 - 02/02/09 11:03 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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OK but lets look at this from the point of view as the OP
he is obviously not as experienced as some of us, would you expect a noobie to see that as purple brown? I would
this is why i mentioned making another forum for noob ID request, im sure you remember that
somethings you say MM might make sense to me but imagine a noob reading kuo's page and seeing the print listed as purple brown and then hear some of the trusted iders say otherwise, that has got to be confusing for the poor OP
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Mr. Mushrooms
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Re: Yard Find - assistance appreciated :) [Re: CureCat]
#9726305 - 02/02/09 11:04 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes, you really came to aid with that photo. 
Hypholoma fasciculare for sure. I've also never seen that form before which is another thing that threw me. The stipes are rather straight and long and the mushrooms themselves are big. I picked these in New York, Pennsylvania and Ohio last year. None of them looked like that.
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weiliiiiiii
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Re: Yard Find - assistance appreciated :) [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#9726315 - 02/02/09 11:06 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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MM, note the spore color on Psilocybe naematoliformis cap in my sig, those look purple black to me, those used to be in the genus hypholoma, is that the color your talking about?
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Mr. Mushrooms
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Re: Yard Find - assistance appreciated :) [Re: weiliiiiiii]
#9726327 - 02/02/09 11:09 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
weiliiiiiii said:
OK but lets look at this from the point of view as the OP
he is obviously not as experienced as some of us, would you expect a noobie to see that as purple brown? I would
this is why i mentioned making another forum for noob ID request, im sure you remember that
somethings you say MM might make sense to me but imagine a noob reading kuo's page and seeing the print listed as purple brown and then hear some of the trusted iders say otherwise, that has got to be confusing for the poor OP
True dat.
Of course, on the other hand, I'm only here to confuse noobs. 
I'm really here to clarify, instruct, explain and elucidate. If only everyone would listen to me everything would be all right. Trust me on this.
The first step to identifying mushrooms is to know your colors. How many noobs know those? Not too many by my account because half the mushrooms brought in here that are supposed to be staining blue are anything but blue!
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Mr. Mushrooms
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Re: Yard Find - assistance appreciated :) [Re: weiliiiiiii]
#9726338 - 02/02/09 11:11 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
weiliiiiiii said:
MM, note the spore color on Psilocybe naematoliformis cap in my sig, those look purple black to me, those used to be in the genus hypholoma, is that the color your talking about?
I cannot see sig lines or avatars or even most posts. I have those functions (and many members) turned off.
Sorry.
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weiliiiiiii
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Re: Yard Find - assistance appreciated :) [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#9726370 - 02/02/09 11:19 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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then why do you have a sig? just to show others that if they eat bad mushrooms they are gonna get fucked up?
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weiliiiiiii
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Re: Yard Find - assistance appreciated :) [Re: weiliiiiiii]
#9726378 - 02/02/09 11:20 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here ya go
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Mr. Mushrooms
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Re: Yard Find - assistance appreciated :) [Re: weiliiiiiii]
#9727802 - 02/03/09 10:08 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
weiliiiiiii said:
then why do you have a sig? just to show others that if they eat bad mushrooms they are gonna get fucked up?
The intention of my sig line is fairly obvious, i.e. to warn, instruct and explain. 
The spores on the mushroom caps in your photo are purple-black. The brownish tones you see, if any, are from the cap color.
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weiliiiiiii
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Re: Yard Find - assistance appreciated :) [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#9728202 - 02/03/09 11:58 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Mr. Mushrooms said:
The spores on the mushroom caps in your photo are purple-black.
I never said the color on these looked brown, i was agreeing with you.
benzos, FTW
The color of the prints made from the cluster in that pic were light brown, or i should say seen with the human eye they were light brown.
Edited by weiliiiiiii (02/03/09 12:20 PM)
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Mr. Mushrooms
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Re: Yard Find - assistance appreciated :) [Re: weiliiiiiii]
#9729071 - 02/03/09 03:06 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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The entire quote says: Quote:
The spores on the mushroom caps in your photo are purple-black. The brownish tones you see, if any, are from the cap color.
Reading comprehension FTW
No, you should say that's how you see them in the light you viewed them under. I'm not trying to be anal, it's science, not a color swatch at a Men's store.
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weiliiiiiii
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Re: Yard Find - assistance appreciated :) [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#9729152 - 02/03/09 03:24 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Mr. Mushrooms said:
The entire quote says: Quote:
The spores on the mushroom caps in your photo are purple-black. The brownish tones you see, if any, are from the cap color.
Reading comprehension FTW
No, you should say that's how you see them in the light you viewed them under. I'm not trying to be anal, it's science, not a color swatch at a Men's store.
your not getting what im saying... 
the light im viewing them under is any light, sunlight, indoor, all forms of light it looks light brown
have you picked this exact species before?
Edited by weiliiiiiii (02/03/09 03:30 PM)
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weiliiiiiii
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Re: Yard Find - assistance appreciated :) [Re: weiliiiiiii]
#9729269 - 02/03/09 03:46 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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this is from Ps. naematoliformis, ill get pics of the prints on tin foil under numerous light sources when my wife gets back from the store.
note the areas the spores have dried, what color would that be considered to the human eye???
Edited by weiliiiiiii (02/03/09 03:56 PM)
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 GTH189
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Re: Yard Find - assistance appreciated :) [Re: GTH189]
#9729563 - 02/03/09 04:39 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alright, well it appears that my post has generated a shit storm of opinions lol which is quite alright, after reviewing some of the traits etc., it appears in line with the hypholoma(?) descriptions, and for that I thank all of you, and indeed I am somewhat confused being a newb and all, but the journey of learning has begun, so again, thank you to all of you who took time to check out my find and help ID them. If I manage to find any new specimens on my adventures (in the yard or elsewhere) I'll be sure to post 'em!
P.S. I was not able to get a spore print from any of the specimens, unfortunately, however, as I said in my original post, I did print them on a few other occasions and as I said, I recalled them being a dark brown, almost black I would say, which once again, corresponds with some of the folks who were mentioning black spore prints. Also, I happened to find another patch of mushrooms that appeared to be of the same variety, and were lying about half a foot away--these ones however, were much more mature I'm guessing, by the fact that they grew in the same manner but were much larger (stems about 3-4 inches long, and caps about 2-3 inches in diameter). apparently these are pretty common, in my yard at least
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weiliiiiiii
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Re: Yard Find - assistance appreciated :) [Re: GTH189]
#9732468 - 02/04/09 12:16 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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question what color would you call the spores in the pic above?
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