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Tub Grain Drain Tek
    #9720339 - 02/01/09 11:09 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I was in the shower the other day...brooding over how much I hate having to use a fan or a collander or to simmer my grains just to get them nice and dry instead of having standing water after PCing. Then it hit me...have large screens that compact nicely but can fit overtop of the tub. Its out of the road, piles of space to drain, and not in the middle of the frikkin kitchen covering up useful space when I can be doing better things, like making Jerky.

So I thought let's make a Tek on it. If someone else has done it...I haven't seen it. Otherwise...I'll take credit for this idea.

Here's your list of materials and tools needed.

Tools:
Hacksaw (Or Chop Saw)
Measuring Tape
Paper
Pencil


Materials:
ABS or PVC Pipe (whichever is cheapest) $15
Screen Door Screen (Fiberglass or Metal, Fiberglass is cheaper and just as effective) $9
Tywraps $4
8 90o's PVC connectors in the appropriate pipe size $10


Time to build: 1 hr
Total Cost: $40





For this project it worked out that 1 1/2" pipe was the cheapest option. Only in that the 900 were the cheapest compared to 3 times the price for 1 1/4" pipe.

Below is the outlined math if your bad with construction math, don't let it fool you into thinking this is complicated. Its not. I simply outlined it for anyone who struggles and makes it easier for them...if your already savvy, making a square out of pipe will be a breeze. Seriously...its a square made of 90 fittings and pipe and you can trim to make it fit. Its that easy....

So first thing you need to do is measure out your tub from edge to edge. In my case it was 58" wide and 30" deep. Your going to be building 2 screens to fill the area of the tub and they are seperate because it will make it that much easier to pack them up and store them instead of one 5 foot monster of a screen. First thing you do...is take your depth measurement and times that by 4. Take your length measurement, times that by 2. Add that all up and you've got how much pipe to buy. In my case it was 30"x4 + 58"x2 = 236" or 20 feet. When buying your screen, buy it 3 inches longer and wider then your tub...you want a bit more in case you screw up.

Now its time to do some math...first off if your doing like I did and using 1 1/2" pipe you can follow my math exactly. You measure out your lengths for the depth first. If your not good with doing these handy projects, draw each number and piece of pipe out...it will be far less confusing. If you are savvy...you can skip most of this dialogue.

30" then you subtract the 2 1/2" that take up a 900 fitting from your overall length on both ends to make your piece 25". So you will then cut 4 of these. Again, this is based on my numbers and so you can see where I subtract certain inches to make it fit better, and since your not gluing any of this together, you can always trim later. Better to cut too little then too much. Now you've got your depth finished, you want to measure across the tub.

Your starting with a 58" wide tub. Divide that by 2 (I'm working out the math because some people are not tool savvy so this'll help them with the brain intensive task of working with a tape measure). Now you've got 29". But because your going to have two 900 fittings back to back, you want to make sure you have accounted for this...so you'd subtract 4 1/2" from that total number. Which then makes 27" pieces. Now how things worked out...my helper accidentally cut a piece of pipe the wrong length and we had to make due with what little material we had left, so I adjusted my top pipes (going the long way across the tub) to 23 1/4" a piece. This turned out to be a godsend for making it easier to set both pieces into the tub later as opposed to them being tight as hell. So, if your numbers aren't quite like mine...take your number and cut it down a couple inches to give you some lee-way. You'll find out when you lay the pipe in the tub before putting the screen on. I even threw in a diagram that you can follow...black area being the tub, red area's being your screen boxes. I didn't fill in ALL the numbers...I gotta give you guys some credit that you'd actually read the directions instead of jumping from picture to picture.

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Now you've got your pieces cut. Great! Lets put the 90's on there and see how they look. Look like this?



Ok, I realize it was a blurry picture now that I'm finished but hell...you don't need a clear picture to see if you got a frikkin square of pipe right. Now before you do anything else, go lay them down on the tub and see how they fit...if they fall in, you butchered your pipe and you need to go buy more, if they are too long, you gotta trim them.

The next step is to start laying out your screen.



Start by rolling the screen around the pipe so it reaches around so you've got a nice wrap around your pipe. Then make sure your screen is sitting deeper (near the bottom) of your pipe so your grain has a bit of a dip to lay in instead of sitting on a plate of screen. Now to make it easier, start with your corners with your Tywraps. If yours are as short as mine, you'll have double them up.



Once you've got your 4 corners locked in place it won't move anywhere.



Now add a Tywrap in the center of each bar, then go around again and fill in each gap between your corner and center Tywrap with another one, you don't want weak spots. If you used fiberglass screen you can just push the Tywrap right through, because if you use a knife it will cut far more then you want to.



Now you should have a square of PVC or ABS with a screen that sits about as deep as the pipe is but firmly in place and won't move around. Cut your Tywrap tails off and go finish your second square. Lay them back in your tub and adore your new convience option for drying grain out of the way (and in the case of having 1 sink or a collection of colanders, or perhaps a wife/girlfriend who really doesn't care for you making a mess in the kitchen, you'll both love it. :awesome:



One added kick ass feature to this...after your 24 hour soak, you can just dump the grain on the screen and turn on the shower to rinse it off for its final rinse. Even more benefits to the convience of this handy thing. Though...I don't suggest showering with your grain. That's just creepy.

Edited by Mephistophelian (02/02/09 07:29 AM)

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Re: Tub Grain Drain Tek [Re: Mephistophelian]
    #9720492 - 02/01/09 11:42 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

have you tried it yet? I'd like to make one for myself, it looks much cooler than I thought it would from your descriptions from our PMs.

Are you a little concerned that the pipes could disconnect from the elbow joints while in use? If I make my own I may just cut the pipes to fit together at the corners and drill a screw through them (cheaper/more secure/excuse to use circular saw for fun). I'm pretty sure that using the proper sealant for those pipes on the elbows would make it waterproof, but I'm not sure how it would hold. It may not be an issue, but if it happens there's some ideas.


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Re: Tub Grain Drain Tek [Re: ScavengerType]
    #9720986 - 02/02/09 01:50 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I think that is a kick ass idea! :headbanger:


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Re: Tub Grain Drain Tek [Re: MushHunter08]
    #9721000 - 02/02/09 01:56 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

PVC cement, the glue that you use to hold PVC together is basically as strong as the PVC itself, and I wouldn't even question the possibility of it coming apart.


Cool project. I may have to build one, my colander is terrible to use for drying grain.

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Re: Tub Grain Drain Tek [Re: Shroominit]
    #9721011 - 02/02/09 02:02 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

but I like showering with my grain.:(
you cant just neglect it...WHERES THE LOVE MAAAANN!?!?!?:confused:


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Re: Tub Grain Drain Tek [Re: dropit]
    #9721129 - 02/02/09 03:22 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds overly complicated for most people.

A 5gal paint bucket with a lid that has either the center section cut out or multiple large holes cut in it and some window screen or a paint straining bag does the same job much cheaper and easier.


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Re: Tub Grain Drain Tek [Re: PsychOfMSE]
    #9721359 - 02/02/09 06:43 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I've used that gallon bucket and it doesn't work worth a hot shit. I've also used a collander and a fan...all of it got right under my skin. This is out of my way, out of my kitchen because I'd rather be cooking then watching my grain dry and there's no mess, I just turn the shower on and away it goes.

Besides...its something to do to keep this hobby interesting. I mean, how many times can you grow the same mushroom and still be satisfied with the process? Its like having sex in the same postition over and over again...

The pipe will not come apart, not a chance in hell. There is no way, not the way its strapped once assembled (ontop of that, the pipes are tight in those 90's). On the same hand...those pipes are 1/2" set into the 90 fitting so there's no water issue there either. I mean...unless your dunking the pipes under water...you won't get water in them.

Yup, tested it out and they work like a hot damn!


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Re: Tub Grain Drain Tek [Re: Mephistophelian]
    #9722613 - 02/02/09 01:17 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know what you did wrong that a bucket draining right wouldn't work for you but it's worked EXCELLENT for me (I've prepared and drained over 20 buckets full now).  I like to follow the KISS method most of the time (keep it simple, stupid).

Good luck tho man, nice rig, hope it works well for you! :smile:


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Re: Tub Grain Drain Tek [Re: PsychOfMSE]
    #9722741 - 02/02/09 01:42 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

See, it was the bucket from Monster Mitches that was running me into problems. No matter how long I would let the grain sit (8 hours one time) it was still leaving me with standing water after a full day after PC'ing the grain.

But I totally agree with you man...I do, I don't mean to come off harsh, KISS is the best (unless you like to shake things up a bit which this will do) but ya, I moved to this because the bucket refused to work for me and collanders/sinks/simmering is the shits.

Thank ya.


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Re: Tub Grain Drain Tek [Re: Mephistophelian]
    #9722840 - 02/02/09 02:00 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I've considered this idea for some time, but the bucket technique works just fine for me.  Space wise, I can have 3-4 full buckets of WBS staggered in time while draining in one tub.

The only improvements I'd say you could make to those things is using metal screen instead of normal window screening.  I'd imagine that when you put any noticeable amount of wbs weight on those it would stress it too much.  Just epoxy one edge of the screen/frame, then stretch it as much as you can, and epoxy the other until all four sides are tight as hell.  If you have a good quality metal screen... you'll barely even have to replace it.  Not to mention they will double for fat drying trays.  =D

Best of luck.


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Re: Tub Grain Drain Tek [Re: shroomzey]
    #9722916 - 02/02/09 02:15 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I was thinking of metal screening...but $$$ is tight so I toss $9 at it for now, later I'll upgrade it to metal screen. It won't take more then 10 minutes to change the screens over...But with all the tywraps spread apart, it stretches very little actually. I mean, I'm not throwing the grain at it but laying it on but yeah, its an improvement for later.


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