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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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OfflineKemist
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the answer
    #971858 - 10/18/02 10:35 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

if we do find the ultimate truth ... what then?

is the truth there is no truth?



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Invisiblemr crisper
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Re: the answer [Re: Kemist]
    #971879 - 10/18/02 10:48 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

think of the image of a donkey with a stick tied to his head, from the stick dangles a carrot, which the donkey constantly chases but cannot reach.
ee-aw! its fun running around and around and around. try not to crash into things too much.


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InvisibleEvolving
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Re: the answer [Re: Kemist]
    #971962 - 10/18/02 11:51 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

In reply to:

if we do find the ultimate truth ... what then?



Convince others that what you found is the ultimate truth.
In reply to:

is the truth there is no truth?



If that's true, then it's all a lie.


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Re: the answer [Re: Evolving]
    #971980 - 10/18/02 12:06 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Convince others that what you found is the ultimate truth.

But people try to do this all the time, and their truths are often conflicting. Have they all found the ultimate truth? If not how can we tell whether the truth we found is real?


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InvisibleEvolving
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Re: the answer [Re: Metasyn]
    #972081 - 10/18/02 01:06 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Somebody (or everybody) must be wrong if there's no kind of consensus. You need some way to verify these observations or ideas.


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.


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OfflineMsPacMan
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Re: the answer [Re: Evolving]
    #972103 - 10/18/02 01:17 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

who cares what the ultimate truth is. i can't stand it when people spend half their lives in a church, or watch every step because it might be wrong. just live your life worrying about life, and death will come naturally. too many wars and fighting about whose "truth" is the real truth.


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Re: the answer [Re: Kemist]
    #972117 - 10/18/02 01:28 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

if we do find the ultimate truth ... what then?

Get planted in a corn field and become one with Jiffypop.

Seriously, we then use the truth in such a manner that we and the world we connect with have better lives, here and there.

is the truth there is no truth?

No. Ultimate truth exists.

Cheers,


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OfflineCleverName
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Re: the answer [Re: ]
    #972129 - 10/18/02 01:35 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

"No. Ultimate truth exists."

under what circumstances


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Anonymous

Re: the answer [Re: CleverName]
    #972133 - 10/18/02 01:37 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

All.


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Re: the answer [Re: ]
    #972432 - 10/18/02 03:58 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Are you trying to rip me off, Mr_Mushrooms?
At least get the quote RIGHT. hehehehe

Ultimate truth is the future... our truth is the present...
One cannot live in the future... only in the present...

Thus, the ultimate is left unattainable.


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Anonymous

Re: the answer [Re: Sclorch]
    #972445 - 10/18/02 04:03 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

Hey, imitation is the highest form of flattery! :wink:

The quote actually reminded me of my ex, she tried to become one with the Jiffypop by consuming it, which she did, with great relish.  What a combo, huh?

The Ultimate Truth so defined may be unattainable but that is only because the definition has delimited the response.

Cheers,


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Re: the answer [Re: ]
    #972512 - 10/18/02 04:26 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

The Ultimate Truth so defined may be unattainable but that is only because the definition has delimited the response.

Could you elaborate on this?


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Anonymous

Re: the answer [Re: trendal]
    #972538 - 10/18/02 04:38 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Not at the present time.

Cheers,


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Re: the answer [Re: trendal]
    #972543 - 10/18/02 04:39 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I can elaborate with a little straw man... just for kicks...

Mr_Mushrooms thinks that the ultimate truth is a static object.
Being a static object, it is attainable.

The truth is that the ultimate truth is a process...
It cannot be attained... it can only be danced to.


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OfflineKemist
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Re: the answer [Re: Sclorch]
    #972732 - 10/18/02 06:03 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

well i wasnt asking just wanted to hear some opinions

i think there is no ultimate because if there was there would be an end. just like you said its the process of finding it .... that way reality can exist forever.


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OfflineKemist
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Re: the answer [Re: Kemist]
    #972740 - 10/18/02 06:10 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

but thats just a thought

:wink: 


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Re: the answer [Re: Kemist]
    #972771 - 10/18/02 06:26 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

i think there is no ultimate because if there was there would be an end. just like you said its the process of finding it .... that way reality can exist forever.

This is really good.
It's a neat metaphysical twist on what I think.


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Re: the answer [Re: Sclorch]
    #973333 - 10/18/02 10:47 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

wow, good post. I have seen what i believe to be a glimpse of ultimate truth. when ultimate truth is grasped their is nothing left to be grasped, the full circle is complete and everything begins again. my goal in life is to be able to grasp that same truth without the use of phsycadelics. i have been very successful but i am in a lull right now. the number of places in the the universal body to play the game of truth is infinite, truth is not.


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Anonymous

Re: the answer [Re: Kemist]
    #973800 - 10/19/02 02:55 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

is the truth there is no truth?

I don't think that's very far off the truth.


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Re: the answer [Re: ]
    #974051 - 10/19/02 04:28 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

See sig...


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