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Is atheism a form of spiritual retardation?
#970656 - 10/17/02 08:59 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well if you can't grasp the concept of faith, isn't that a form of spiritual retardation?Or perhaps they were just born with a missing organ or brain chemical which keeps them locked in a material existance.Any Input from those afflicted? 
This post is intended to entertain not offend It is purely a playful needle and in no way reflects my personal veiws So any input from the spiritualy autistic? Peace and laughter WR
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Re: Is atheism a form of spiritual retardation? [Re: Strumpling]
#971984 - 10/18/02 10:11 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sorry,my personal belief is "organized religion is the tool of evil" What I am talking about is (A-without,Theism-belief or faith in a "GOD").Point; name any significant atheistic society that has stood for any significant length of time.My point; Recognition of a" Greater force of Intelligence" is essential to the health of the human organism even though as stated "organized religion" is evil,pure spiritual faith is what has kept us alive despite overwhelming environmental,social and physical challenges.One may argue it is "self faith" but then is that not a form of worship of the "higher" forms of self?IMHO the act of faith is itself an externalisation of theism (whether manifesting as "faith in self" or in an external intelligence) and this is the true motivation and energy source which drives societies and individuals.As such there truly is no such thing as an A-theist as to exist one excercises faith constantly.Faith in the laws of physics and biology,Faith in ones own capabilities......do you see where this leads? Even if you simply believe in your own inate abilities, having "self-faith",just another form of mono-theism,eh?So to sum up my premise; Faith is essential to confronting the challenges of existance.Faith is the externalization of will.Faith in self is just another form of mono-theism.A-theism is impossible without losing the abilities which allow us to compensate for the vast uncertainties of existance there fore creating a retarded state of existance with no compensatory abilities to deal with uncertainty. Peace on ya'll WR
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Re: Is atheism a form of spiritual retardation? [Re: whiterastahippie]
#972036 - 10/18/02 10:43 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Aren't words cool? retardation/rebellion which would make ya look? It's just in fun but I am trying to make a point that faith is not optional and to have it is a form of theism.Like I said it's all good WR
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Re: Is atheism a form of spiritual retardation? [Re: postalboy]
#972077 - 10/18/02 11:04 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Faith in Nature and biology or why plant the seeds? Faith externalizes will.Externalized will becomes theistic.WRhippie is right it is rebellion/? Denial of faith is as absurd as denial of reality.For one thing reality cannot exist without faith that our senses are percieving it.Denial of the theistic modality of consciousness is absurd, we naturaly externalize our relationship with reality rather than embrace our oneness with it,however to deny that we all must use faith(and all it implies) therefore A-theism is not truly and purely possible.The best and closest is as WRhippie states a form of rebelliousness against a percieved uncaring universe which is not truly A-theism but rather denial of the role faith MUST play(and perhaps resentment) in the daily functionality of existance. So the atheist arises knowing the sun will rise because of faith yet resents the implications of acknowleging that faith.Just some stray thoughts all you Atheists,please have faith I mean no disrespect WR
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Re: Is atheism a form of spiritual retardation? [Re: Xibalba]
#972161 - 10/18/02 12:02 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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My God does not need faith to operate, I do.Am I weak? perhaps some might think so but I am far less threatened by the concept of Atheism that an Atheist is with the concept of God.As for existentialism,nihlism,etc all are empty concepts which cannot be successfully integrated into a cohesive society (and Nietchze was such a happy man!)Please DO NOT CONFUSE MY SPIRITUALISM WITH RELIGION! If all I had to judge spirituality by was religion I too would be an "atheist" As for you not needing faith in self or physics or science you then put much faith in your senses to tell you what is true(what more self faith ).If you believe that an unyet occurring event will in the future ocurr you are using faith.If you trust your senses to interpret these events you have faith in your own senses.If you turn on a light switch and expect light you are showing faith in technology.Continued denial of faith shows faith that your arguement is valid PEACE and big WR
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Re: Is atheism a form of spiritual retardation? [Re: Sclorch]
#972281 - 10/18/02 12:58 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your faith in what you've read IS touching but having read most of what you are listing I have to say that even these men had great faith in their own ability to reason.Some to the point of egoism.Sartre and Nietchze were in particular some of my favorite reading ,their nihilism and and existential viewpoint reminds me of the void the denial of faith can bring.And yes most of the men you mention Slcorch were not happy ,socialy adjusted people(probably due to their brlliance more than theology)Hence the admonishment of retardation(even the most brilliant CAN be retarded,ie;slowed)As for totaly trusting my opinion.....Treading a bit close to faith eh? Again it's all in fun, Yours in faith WR
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Re: Is atheism a form of spiritual retardation? [Re: Evolving]
#972319 - 10/18/02 01:14 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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The pattern emerges most of you do not recognize the fundamental difference between religion and spirituality.As for proof of God ask any leading edge quantum physicist what started the big bang and most will hem and haw but most are having to face evidence of intelligence in creation(except Hawking,who is incorrect on many levels anyway) BTW an atheist MUST have faith there is no God.So aside from God even, Faith is an immutable fact of existance,You make light of the examples used but seriously tell me that you do not have faith that when you hit a light switch that light will follow and that you are not suprised for a moment when it does not?Does this make you disbelieve in technology?Most people are really searching for a charlton heston/moses/God/movie and the wheel of creation does not spin like that.God has already answered my prayer to word a post to raise questions.Pretty cool huh? Sadly some of you may never know the power and peace associated with the dedication of a portion of ones psyche to something greater and beyond mundanity.This alone is all the "proof" I need of the "existance" of the Intelligence which spawned us. WR
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Re: Is atheism a form of spiritual retardation? [Re: Sclorch]
#972350 - 10/18/02 01:30 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sclorch,Chaos theory is quickly ordering the illusion of randomness.We live in a fractal reality so perspective will determine conclusion.So science one day wraps it all up and says this is what ,how ,and why and randomness is just another form of mathmatics.Faith will remain one of the immutable forces of creation,and the aspect of humanity which has caused more progress and pain than any other trait we posess.You cannot logicaly deny Faith, or deny that you must posess it to make assumptions regarding your actions.Lack of faith is inaction,desolution and despair.Think spiritualy not religiously and it makes sense,think egotistcly and it will not. Any way God luvs ya Sclorch you do more to make folks think about him than an army of mormon missionaries ROTFALMAO peace,WR
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Re: Is atheism a form of spiritual retardation? [Re: whiterasta]
#972384 - 10/18/02 01:43 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Funny that You would call me elitist. I have no elite friends or travel to elite places.I don't eat elite food,and dont have an elite home.My spiritual beliefs accomidate ANY perspective(including yours my friend ) and I have often felt that the blessing of spiritual awareness to be a burden And if I believed in an anthropomorphic "GOD" I too would be inclined to denial of faith. As for elitism....Feh! I am less than nothing but more than something and trying to be more that way every day WR PS don't be so serious folks I wasn't really calling anyone retarded,just havin' some word fun
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