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Re: the world would be a better place if more people used psychedelics (responsibly) [Re: deCypher]
    #9704206 - 01/30/09 04:58 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I would disagree that most drug users are open minded. :shrug2:


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Re: the world would be a better place if more people used psychedelics (responsibly) [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #9704209 - 01/30/09 05:00 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I would disagree that most drug users are open minded. :shrug2:




Why?


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Re: the world would be a better place if more people used psychedelics (responsibly) [Re: deCypher]
    #9704272 - 01/30/09 05:51 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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zouden said: I get on better with people who take drugs.




Likewise, people who don't take drugs generally tend to get along better with people who also don't take drugs.  People seek out people similar to them; I would disagree that most non drug users are inherently close-minded.  :shrug:





I dunno about this. A LOT of my friends don't take drugs. They know I do and that doesnt hurt our friend ship or anything but MOST all of them don't take the same drugs as me. (All of them smoke pot though, at the very least drink alcohol).

I love every body.
Sometimes its best to keep my drug use secret and still have gr8 relationships with people.

That knowledge however can seriously injure a relationship. Sometimes ignorance is bliss :awesome:


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Re: the world would be a better place if more people used psychedelics (responsibly) [Re: deCypher]
    #9704447 - 01/30/09 07:37 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I would disagree that most drug users are open minded. :shrug2:




Why?



There's a lot of close-minded drug users on this website.  In fact, psychedelics can become a cop-out to use when people don't agree with your views.

"Open your mind, man!  Take some mushrooms and squeegee your third eye!"

"If everyone did acid, they would see things my way."


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Re: the world would be a better place if more people used psychedelics (responsibly) [Re: deCypher]
    #9704505 - 01/30/09 08:09 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Simply because using drugs doesn't make you be in any way, and it most definitely doesn't make you smarter or more open-minded. Also, you don't even have to be open-minded to start taking drugs. People are and will become just about the same with or without drugs.


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Re: the world would be a better place if more people used psychedelics (responsibly) [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #9706295 - 01/30/09 03:23 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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MushroomTrip said: Also, you don't even have to be open-minded to start taking drugs.




Sure you do; open-minded to the act of ingesting psychoactive substances at the very least.  With regards to philosophy or spirituality is an entirely different question, but at least a drug user is open-minded enough to be willing to change his or her own consciousness as compared to the straight edge person.


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Re: the world would be a better place if more people used psychedelics (responsibly) [Re: zouden]
    #9706443 - 01/30/09 03:53 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Here's something to think about: I get on better with people who take drugs. But it's not because we talk about drugs, since we don't. So what is it?

a) Drugs are illegal, so people who take them aren't so conservative about things like that.
b) The drugs themselves make people more open-minded.

What do you guys think? I think it's a A, rather than B (as this thread is suggesting).




I agree, as I also get along better with people who understand the values of sometimes unpopular decisions. I think it has much to do with their views and beliefs as opposed to what substance they imbibed at some point in the past.

People who make choices that are not socially acceptable (or in extremely biased cases legal) tend to be liberal, open minded, and intelligent. Those are the kinds of people I make an effort to surround myself with.

I believe that in some rare cases a person who uses may have an epiphany of sorts, but odds are they were already down the path of enlightenment before their choice to partake.


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Re: the world would be a better place if more people used psychedelics (responsibly) [Re: Drakion]
    #9706484 - 01/30/09 03:59 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Sure you do; open-minded to the act of ingesting psychoactive substances at the very least.

You must be open to the act of ingesting psychoactive substances, yes, but what does this have to do with open-mindedness? :smirk:

I've met tons of closed minded drug users, this is proof enough to me. I will admit I notice alot of them find difficulty with psychedelics, but it doesn't stop them from using them.

The use of psychedelics does not validate open-mindedness.


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Re: the world would be a better place if more people used psychedelics (responsibly) [Re: Bernackums]
    #9706505 - 01/30/09 04:02 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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You must be open to the act of ingesting psychoactive substances, yes, but what does this have to do with open-mindedness? :smirk:




The definition of open-minded is to be receptive to new ideas; in this case, the idea of ingesting psychoactive substances.  :smirk:

I too have met many drug users who had cemented beliefs and would not change them for anything, however I would say that at least through my personal experience psychedelic users tend to be more open-minded than others.  If anything, it's the act of realizing that a completely different perception of reality is even possible that provokes it.

Ironically, this seems to manifest only after a person's first few trips.  After that it all becomes cliched, and the user may even paradoxically become more close-minded after believing that only they have seen the true reality.


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Re: the world would be a better place if more people used psychedelics (responsibly) [Re: deCypher]
    #9706527 - 01/30/09 04:05 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

And I don't disagree. :thumbup:


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Re: the world would be a better place if more people used psychedelics (responsibly) [Re: Bernackums]
    #9706573 - 01/30/09 04:12 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Why, you didn't know that magic mushrooms shatter through our feeble transmission of neurotransmitters between synapses to let us directly experience the true Noumena?

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Re: the world would be a better place if more people used psychedelics (responsibly) [Re: deCypher]
    #9706589 - 01/30/09 04:14 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Ha, well, actually, I just misread your post. :foreheadslap:



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Re: the world would be a better place if more people used psychedelics (responsibly) [Re: deCypher]
    #9706601 - 01/30/09 04:16 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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MushroomTrip said: Also, you don't even have to be open-minded to start taking drugs.




Sure you do; open-minded to the act of ingesting psychoactive substances at the very least.  With regards to philosophy or spirituality is an entirely different question, but at least a drug user is open-minded enough to be willing to change his or her own consciousness as compared to the straight edge person.




Unless these people are taking psychoactives to "get fucked up". I certainly wouldn't argue that those who get wasted would be any more open-minded than those who didn't.

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Re: the world would be a better place if more people used psychedelics (responsibly) [Re: Bernackums]
    #9706628 - 01/30/09 04:21 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Sure you do; open-minded to the act of ingesting psychoactive substances at the very least.

You must be open to the act of ingesting psychoactive substances, yes, but what does this have to do with open-mindedness? :smirk:

I've met tons of closed minded drug users, this is proof enough to me. I will admit I notice alot of them find difficulty with psychedelics, but it doesn't stop them from using them.

The use of psychedelics does not validate open-mindedness.




To be open minded to the act you must dismiss (at least from being an American child of the 90s) an upbringing of religious, political, and social intolerance and persecution. I was brought up being drilled with the ideals that drugs (the kind my mother country deemed illegal) were evil and nothing by destructive. Where even knowing someone who uses will bring ruin down upon you.

Most people I know who still made the choice despite all the child indoctrination are individuals who did their own study on the topic. They are intelligent enough to question issues and not just take propaganda at face value. They are open minded to know that there may very well be beneficial effects (hence the original study).

I too have met close minded partakers, but more often than not they are immature pseudo-adults that use as a form of rebelling and nothing more. In their minds they rate drugs on the same level as hardcore rap, pornography, and vulgar language, only something to revel in for the shock value.

I never said that psychedelics are pure validation, but it surely is evidence of an individuals ability to make choices for themselves.


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Re: the world would be a better place if more people used psychedelics (responsibly) [Re: Drakion]
    #9706776 - 01/30/09 04:47 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Very well put. :congrats:

Though, I think the dismissal of an upbrining as mentioned is also influenced by the desire to rebel, the desire to intoxicate, etc.. A lot of things would motivate the use of drugs other than what is attributed to open-mindedness.

I very much agree, but I still feel the use of psychedelics does not validate open-mindedness.


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Re: the world would be a better place if more people used psychedelics (responsibly) [Re: deCypher]
    #9710124 - 01/31/09 04:20 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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The definition of open-minded is to be receptive to new ideas; in this case, the idea of ingesting psychoactive substances.  :smirk:





What's your point? You cannot substantiate the existence of the state of open-mindedness by pointing to a case in which an individual is open to one idea, when the bare definition of open-mindedness that you provided is to be receptive to new ideas. :smirk:


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Re: the world would be a better place if more people used psychedelics (responsibly) [Re: deCypher]
    #9710146 - 01/31/09 04:47 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Sure you do; open-minded to the act of ingesting psychoactive substances at the very least.  With regards to philosophy or spirituality is an entirely different question, but at least a drug user is open-minded enough to be willing to change his or her own consciousness as compared to the straight edge person.




This doesn't mean that they are open-mined individuals, and I thought we were talking about open-mindness, not about not being stuck-up about this or that. If we were to follow your logic, then everyone on this planet is being open-minded, some about drugs, others about homosexuality, others about breaking the law, threesomes, prostitution, and so forth. But really, what does this mean?


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Re: the world would be a better place if more people used psychedelics (responsibly) [Re: Redstorm]
    #9710166 - 01/31/09 05:01 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Unless these people are taking psychoactives to "get fucked up". I certainly wouldn't argue that those who get wasted would be any more open-minded than those who didn't.




I think this is a generalization too. It is impossible to say that, generally, people who just want to "get fucked up" are less open-minded than others, who find other reasons for using drugs. I can even think of a handful of examples (and this is just in a few seconds :lol:) where people claiming to be taking drugs for spiritual purposes can be more close-minded than the ones who just want to be fucked up. It is possible to get so attached and inflated by the idea that your usage of drugs is happening for "higher purposes", that you end up revolving in a vicious circle of mental masturbation, where everyone else is inferior and unable to see reality with your accuracy and righteousness, which in extent turns you into a self-absorbed and limited thinking individual. On the other hand, someone who's not attached to the idea of using drugs for spiritual purposes and wants only to get high, can incidentally reach some incredible insight and understanding of life.
Of course, things can go this way or not, but the same goes for what you said; which is why I think it is better to refrain oneself from making absolute statements like "people who just want to get fucked up are less open minded that the others", since every situation and person have their unique characteristics, and must be judged individually.


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Re: the world would be a better place if more people used psychedelics (responsibly) [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #9711360 - 01/31/09 11:33 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

This brings up an interesting question about open-mindedness; does someone have to be open-minded about every topic to be considered open-minded?  Or does being open-minded about a particular subject suffice?

Going even further, how does one even judge open-mindedness?  Offhand, this communicates merely the absence of close-mindedness; one is considered to be open-minded if one does not adhere to dogma merely for the sake of dogma.  But there is surely dogma that no rational person would deny, and more to the point are we judging a person's status on their decisions made over the course of their life, or merely an imaginary propensity at the time of the query?

Actions prove louder than words, IMO.  I think the trouble here is that we're assuming open-mindedness to be a black or white thing.  Wouldn't you consider a person who is open to the possibility of ingesting drugs to be more open-minded than someone who refuses?


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Re: the world would be a better place if more people used psychedelics (responsibly) [Re: deCypher]
    #9711447 - 01/31/09 11:50 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

An open-ended question. A disposition tending towards opening, wondering, questioning, exploring. A turning towards the unknown, closing in on it through definitions not possible, out of enclosures, a pointing--

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