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Caps Not Flattening / Cluster Growing Questions
    #9693154 - 01/28/09 06:38 AM (15 years, 21 days ago)

Ok, hey! :smile:

I have a bunch of mushrooms growing and getting pretty large now. Its been a few days, and the VEIL HAS TORN, but the caps are just NOT flattening out. Now, I know not all mushrooms grow the same, but these are just weird. If I let them keep going, will they flatten? I wanna take some prints from these guys, but they would be crappy if I picked them for printing now.




I just dont want all the spores to be gone by the time its flattened. Ideas?




Also; what do I do when mushrooms are growing in a cluster like this? Obviously some are going to be fully mature while the others are small. Do I have to sacrifice the small to get the large? I dont want the big ones to rot while I wait for the small ones to catch up. Is there anything I can do?

Sorry for the shitty pictures. My macro is being an asshole today.

Edit: Also; I know the ones in the background aren't ready to be picked. Its supposed to be a picture of that big one there. Its veil IS torn, its just not flattening.


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Re: Caps Not Flattening / Cluster Growing Questions [Re: NWE1122]
    #9693195 - 01/28/09 07:02 AM (15 years, 21 days ago)

They won't flatten out for a little while yet. The veil will brake and they start to flatten, the spores will drop and eventually they will begin to almost seem to turn inside out.


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Edited by Lennyk (01/28/09 08:16 AM)


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Re: Caps Not Flattening / Cluster Growing Questions [Re: Lennyk]
    #9693217 - 01/28/09 07:15 AM (15 years, 21 days ago)

OK man, thanks.

I'm gonna give it until tonight or tomorrow morning and then decide.  :peace:


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Re: Caps Not Flattening / Cluster Growing Questions [Re: NWE1122]
    #9693245 - 01/28/09 07:29 AM (15 years, 21 days ago)

That's what clusters are like. You can't wait for the more little ones to "catch up". Once the biggest mushroom in the pack has fully matured it's time to pick the whole cluster.


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Re: Caps Not Flattening / Cluster Growing Questions [Re: German Kahuna]
    #9693248 - 01/28/09 07:30 AM (15 years, 21 days ago)

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That's what clusters are like. You can't wait for the more little ones to "catch up". Once the biggest mushroom in the pack has fully matured it's time to pick the whole cluster.




Aww, thats a shame. Its OK though I guess, I've got a ton of them growing, so no problemo.


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Re: Caps Not Flattening / Cluster Growing Questions [Re: German Kahuna]
    #9693251 - 01/28/09 07:32 AM (15 years, 21 days ago)

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German Kahuna said:
That's what clusters are like. You can't wait for the more little ones to "catch up". Once the biggest mushroom in the pack has fully matured it's time to pick the whole cluster.




True, but I think there is a bit of time left for the others to grow a bit. The big one isn't ready to print yet.


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Re: Caps Not Flattening / Cluster Growing Questions [Re: NWE1122]
    #9693258 - 01/28/09 07:37 AM (15 years, 21 days ago)

No, it's not so bad really. Cluster growth is GOOD. I prefer cloning from clusters over cloning from single specimen. The might not give you the giants, but hey, at least you can be pretty sure you get a shitload of mushrooms.
BTW, once fully matured, you can still leave the biggest fella sit with the others as long as its base is intact in the substrate, but be aware that it's going to start sporulating all over the smaller ones beneath it. If you want to take prints, don't wait till that happens. You can also simply cut off the cap "in situ" and let the naked stem sit there while the others still mature more.


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Re: Caps Not Flattening / Cluster Growing Questions [Re: Lennyk]
    #9693264 - 01/28/09 07:38 AM (15 years, 21 days ago)

That's why I said "fully matured". For me that is when the cap flattens out and the shroom starts to sporulate.


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Re: Caps Not Flattening / Cluster Growing Questions [Re: German Kahuna]
    #9693269 - 01/28/09 07:42 AM (15 years, 21 days ago)

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That's why I said "fully matured". For me that is when the cap flattens out and the shroom starts to sporulate.




My bad :blush: I missed that, sometimes I read it too quickly :crazy:


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Re: Caps Not Flattening / Cluster Growing Questions [Re: Lennyk]
    #9693283 - 01/28/09 07:50 AM (15 years, 21 days ago)

Happens to me all the time. :wink:


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Re: Caps Not Flattening / Cluster Growing Questions [Re: German Kahuna]
    #9693304 - 01/28/09 07:57 AM (15 years, 21 days ago)

wher do you guys find this info??

You dont have to pick the entire cluster. You can simply use a clean knife to cut the mature mushroom off and let the little ones catch up.

You dont think that aborts should be picked ASAP because the rot do you??because they dont.

Its still live tissue.


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Re: Caps Not Flattening / Cluster Growing Questions [Re: veda_sticks]
    #9693349 - 01/28/09 08:16 AM (15 years, 21 days ago)

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wher do you guys find this info??

You dont have to pick the entire cluster. You can simply use a clean knife to cut the mature mushroom off and let the little ones catch up.

You dont think that aborts should be picked ASAP because the rot do you??because they dont.

Its still live tissue.




True, upon a search with that I did notice you are correct

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RogerRabbit said:
Perhaps some of you aren't reading the question.  It's about picking from a cluster where they all share a common 'stalk'.  You can't pick just one without damaging all of them.  It's not about patching or damaging the substrate.  It's about taking the whole cluster or picking a mature one or two, to allow the rest to keep growing.  Cutting with a knife or sissors does that.
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I didn't assume that would work myself, simply worried about contams because in my mind it just brought up the vision of either slicing the arm and letting it bleed or just ripping the whole thing off whole. Had a whole arm destruction image in my head with infection and all, oh well that's what I get for trying to relate humans to fungus. I just forgot cutting things doesn't kill it with the mycelium.

I apologize for not knowing, best of luck on the grow :cheers:


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Re: Caps Not Flattening / Cluster Growing Questions [Re: veda_sticks]
    #9693387 - 01/28/09 08:31 AM (15 years, 21 days ago)

I already said, instead of picking it, you can just cut off the cap leaving the stipe in place if you want to print it. I also said that as long as the base of the mushroom is intact inside the substrate then all is cool. I never said anything is going to rot. That wasn't the purpose of me saying that the cluster should be picked as a whole. The purpose was to say that in my experience small mushrooms in a cluster will remain small mushrooms and not grow to enormous sizes after you harvest the biggest one. It's all well with you guys being the gods of mushroom cultivation you know, but I've been hunting mushrooms for 35 years now and happen to know a little bit about them myself.


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