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Re: Religion and extraterrestrial beings [Re: blewmeanie]
#9693721 - 01/28/09 11:13 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm a pan theist. Everything is "god" imo.
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Re: Religion and extraterrestrial beings [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9693772 - 01/28/09 11:45 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said: I'm a pan theist. Everything is "god" imo.
If everything is god, then what "god" looses its meaning. Saying everything is god is parallel to saying there is no god IMO.
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Re: Religion and extraterrestrial beings [Re: blewmeanie]
#9693824 - 01/28/09 12:16 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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No it doesn't. I think that everything is part of an all-encompassing immanent abstract God; or that the Universe, or nature, and God are equivalent. I don't believe in a conscious omnipotent being that has an agenda for the way an organism should live its life.
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Re: Religion and extraterrestrial beings [Re: blewmeanie]
#9693849 - 01/28/09 12:24 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I pretty much agree. Human language however contains this inherent paradoxical quality that when you try to say that god is everything, you are still describing "it" as some-thing. Or, you are at the same time describing nothing because everything and nothing are really the same. Only something can be localized. Words cannot capture the non-local. The very essence of the word makes this impossible to transmit.
But I think I get his point.
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Re: Religion and extraterrestrial beings [Re: AlteredAgain]
#9694795 - 01/28/09 03:20 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jesus was an alien
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Re: Religion and extraterrestrial beings [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9694926 - 01/28/09 03:39 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said: No it doesn't. I think that everything is part of an all-encompassing immanent abstract God; or that the Universe, or nature, and God are equivalent. I don't believe in a conscious omnipotent being that has an agenda for the way an organism should live its life.
If everything is hot, then hot has no meaning, and as such if everything is god, then god has no meaning. To say "everything is god", is literally a non statement, it doesn't mean anything relative to anything else.
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Re: Religion and extraterrestrial beings [Re: blewmeanie]
#9694980 - 01/28/09 03:47 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Religion and extraterrestrial beings [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9695205 - 01/28/09 04:22 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's simple logic brah, though if you can provide a perspective that I am missing, I am all ears.
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Re: Religion and extraterrestrial beings [Re: blewmeanie]
#9695329 - 01/28/09 04:43 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Its simple logic.... Its not all materialistic. I have felt "god" from high dose psychedelics before. "god" to me is the collected consciousness of all matter. Its hard to explain because i came to this realization under pure madness from LSD, so words do it no justice. But i still stand by my pantheism. Your everything is hot, you don't know what hot is, is arbitrary.
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Re: Religion and extraterrestrial beings [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9695522 - 01/28/09 05:07 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said: Its simple logic.... Its not all materialistic. I have felt "god" from high dose psychedelics before. "god" to me is the collected consciousness of all matter. Its hard to explain because i came to this realization under pure madness from LSD, so words do it no justice. But i still stand by my pantheism. Your everything is hot, you don't know what hot is, is arbitrary.
Sounds more like you're saying that "god" is the medium by which all "things" are connected, rather than being everything.
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Re: Religion and extraterrestrial beings [Re: Shroomism]
#9695701 - 01/28/09 05:38 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shroomism said: Jesus was an alien
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Re: Religion and extraterrestrial beings [Re: Shroomism]
#9695833 - 01/28/09 05:57 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shroomism said: Shroomism is an alien
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Re: Religion and extraterrestrial beings [Re: Shroomism]
#9695845 - 01/28/09 05:59 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lou Dobbs said: Jesus was an illegal alien
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Re: Religion and extraterrestrial beings [Re: blewmeanie]
#9695900 - 01/28/09 06:09 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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blewmeanie said: Sounds more like you're saying that "god" is the medium by which all "things" are connected, rather than being everything.
If you subscribed to something similar to string theory as a means of explaining gravity, that would essentially be the same thing. I disagree that his original statement is a tautology. I'm not going to try expressing it in symbolic logic or anything, but I'm not seeing why it would be right off the bat.
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Re: Religion and extraterrestrial beings [Re: blewmeanie]
#9696096 - 01/28/09 06:39 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said: Its simple logic.... Its not all materialistic. I have felt "god" from high dose psychedelics before. "god" to me is the collected consciousness of all matter. Its hard to explain because i came to this realization under pure madness from LSD, so words do it no justice. But i still stand by my pantheism. Your everything is hot, you don't know what hot is, is arbitrary.
Sounds more like you're saying that "god" is the medium by which all "things" are connected, rather than being everything.
That is everything. Everything contributes, everything is "god"
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Re: Religion and extraterrestrial beings [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9696106 - 01/28/09 06:40 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said: everything is "god"
This statement is meaningless.
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Re: Religion and extraterrestrial beings [Re: Silversoul]
#9696170 - 01/28/09 06:50 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not when your a pantheist. Maybe to you it is, but your prolly not a pantheist.
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Re: Religion and extraterrestrial beings [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9696234 - 01/28/09 07:02 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said: Not when your a pantheist. Maybe to you it is, but your prolly not a pantheist.
Pantheism is meaningless. If everything is God, then what the hell does "god" even mean?
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Re: Religion and extraterrestrial beings [Re: Silversoul]
#9696240 - 01/28/09 07:03 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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What do you think god means?
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Re: Religion and extraterrestrial beings [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9696262 - 01/28/09 07:05 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Generally speaking, a transcendent being upon whom all existence depends.
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