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My mom sent me an email...
    #9691647 - 01/27/09 09:38 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

i scrolled through it and this is how it went...

"How ALL phones SHOULD be answered!

GOOD MORNING, WELCOME TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.........Please Press '1' for English.
Press '2' to disconnect until you learn to speak English

And remember only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ And the American Soldier"

are christians pushing it these days?

i know how to speak english but that just seems...arrogant to me.

or are evil doers pretending to be christians to make the religion look bad?

:confused:

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: LayYouIn]
    #9691669 - 01/27/09 09:42 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Wow. Love thy neighbor, right?

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: LayYouIn]
    #9691678 - 01/27/09 09:43 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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LayYouIn said:
And remember only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ And the American Soldier"




Thanks for this, I'm going to use it all the time.


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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Cameron]
    #9691686 - 01/27/09 09:44 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

yeah, something like that.  sure, anyone can become arrogant but it seems like christians are suppose to serve as an example and....well....they usually dont to me...in fact, they usually make me realize why some people hate on them.

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Cameron]
    #9691689 - 01/27/09 09:44 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think I should have to "Press 1 for English"

They should have to press 1 if they don't understand English

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: LayYouIn]
    #9691690 - 01/27/09 09:44 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

eh, its typical conservative christian bullshit.

fuck foreigners, worship the military, GO JESUS! nothing new, i've been hearing this my whole life.

let them embarrass themselves, they don't know any better and they refuse to learn any better.

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: LayYouIn]
    #9691714 - 01/27/09 09:47 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

If this is the worst of Christianity, then we should consider ourselves lucky we live with such a benign religion as the majority.

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: DieCommie]
    #9691745 - 01/27/09 09:53 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

yeah they could be bombing people :bushtaliban:

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: DieCommie]
    #9691814 - 01/27/09 10:04 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

This is not the worst Christianity has to offer. Every religion has extremists.

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Cameron]
    #9691838 - 01/27/09 10:09 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks dad.  :rolleyes:

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: psilyguy]
    #9691854 - 01/27/09 10:12 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

psilyguy said:
yeah they could be bombing people :bushtaliban:




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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: DieCommie]
    #9691858 - 01/27/09 10:13 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Pardon my reasoning. :lol:

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: LayYouIn]
    #9691861 - 01/27/09 10:13 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

So with that logic, you think I would be in the right if I moved to a small village in Japan and didn't speak a lick of Japanese, and expected everyone to accommodate me?  I'm sorry but if I'm going to live in a country, it's my responsibility as a human being to know how to communicate with those people.

Nothing pisses me off more at work than someone trying to get their computer fixed that doesn't understand 75% of what I'm saying. 

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Newbie]
    #9691884 - 01/27/09 10:19 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

:yesnod:


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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Newbie]
    #9691903 - 01/27/09 10:22 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Careful, or you will get labeled a racist publicly which could be devastating.  Those thoughts are best confined to your head and the internet.

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Newbie]
    #9691914 - 01/27/09 10:24 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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NewbieShroomie said:
So with that logic, you think I would be in the right if I moved to a small village in Japan and didn't speak a lick of Japanese, and expected everyone to accommodate me?




lol, i bet if you tried, they would...maybe not...but who knows.  :shrug:

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Newbie]
    #9691917 - 01/27/09 10:24 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Difficult business is probably better than no business. :shrug:

Plus, 75% is not 100%, like your Japanese example: a majority of immigrants know enough English to communicate decently; and they all know enough to survive, obviously.

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Cameron]
    #9691928 - 01/27/09 10:26 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

You dont need english to survive in many of the enclaves.  In fact, you need to know spanish to survive in some.

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Newbie]
    #9691933 - 01/27/09 10:27 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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NewbieShroomie said:
So with that logic, you think I would be in the right if I moved to a small village in Japan and didn't speak a lick of Japanese, and expected everyone to accommodate me?  I'm sorry but if I'm going to live in a country, it's my responsibility as a human being to know how to communicate with those people.

Nothing pisses me off more at work than someone trying to get their computer fixed that doesn't understand 75% of what I'm saying. 




Too bad we have no official language. :shrug:

It could easily be that in the future Texas and socal has a majority of speakers-o-spanish.


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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: DieCommie]
    #9691939 - 01/27/09 10:28 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I've expressed these thoughts to coworkers and managers, and they have no problem with me turning away a customer in that situation.  If they can't understand me and I can't understand them, there's no point in initiating a transaction.  I've even caught a few lying about it.  They PRETEND not to know english when I'm mentioning fees, data backups, for example.  "It's $99 for 9 gigabytes or less"  they go, "what backup?" I nunno backup" but as soon as I say "free", it's "Oh yea I take backup.  Back up dis dat dat dat."

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: LayYouIn]
    #9691948 - 01/27/09 10:29 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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LayYouIn said:
yeah, something like that.  sure, anyone can become arrogant but it seems like christians are suppose to serve as an example and....well....they usually dont to me...in fact, they usually make me realize why some people hate on them.




Ok smart guy so if G_d isn't rooting for the Americans, then which country is his favorite?

I hope you aren't one of those crazies that think G_d hates freedom.

/sarcasm

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #9691953 - 01/27/09 10:30 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Rabidbaboon said:
Quote:

NewbieShroomie said:
So with that logic, you think I would be in the right if I moved to a small village in Japan and didn't speak a lick of Japanese, and expected everyone to accommodate me?  I'm sorry but if I'm going to live in a country, it's my responsibility as a human being to know how to communicate with those people.

Nothing pisses me off more at work than someone trying to get their computer fixed that doesn't understand 75% of what I'm saying. 




Too bad we have no official language. :shrug:

It could easily be that in the future Texas and socal has a majority of speakers-o-spanish.




And in that case, american texans should learn spanish.  (I have 5 years of it under my belt so I'm good lol)

Basically, when in Rome, do as the Romans do.

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #9691960 - 01/27/09 10:31 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Rabidbaboon said:
Too bad we have no official language. :shrug:




Yea too bad... but some states do have an official language.


Quote:

Rabidbaboon said:
It could easily be that in the future Texas and socal has a majority of speakers-o-spanish.




Yea, very easily.  In fact thats a demographic reality with respect to current trends.  And when/if such a time comes, the majority spanish speakers will be in their right to defend their language and culture in the way they see fit.  Hopefully they will do a better job than we have done.

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Newbie]
    #9691963 - 01/27/09 10:31 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

America is supposed to be the land of opportunities, the land of the free.

I really hope this fear of other languages dies soon.

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Newbie]
    #9691971 - 01/27/09 10:33 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I get what you're saying definitely, but I also see how shitty society treats hispanic immigrants, and it pisses me off alot. I'm the only guy that speaks fluent english at my job, and all the horse owners there (horse stables) treat all the immigrants like total shit yelling at them and stuff, but are really nice to me. It pisses me off alot, but it's hard to be pissed at someone while they're being nice to you.

Fuck you conflicting emotions! :mad2:


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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: niteowl]
    #9691972 - 01/27/09 10:33 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

niteowl said:
I don't think I should have to "Press 1 for English"

They should have to press 1 if they don't understand English

:crankey:




:thumbup: I've been fortunate enough that all of my coworkers have learned well enough english to understand them.  Only one of them didn't know english very well, but after only a year he had improved 100%.


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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Your Destination]
    #9691976 - 01/27/09 10:34 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

It will die when there's a language we can all agree on.  You're free to speak whatever the fuck you want but if your audience can't understand you, you may as well have said nothing at all.  Language is one of the most basic ways to communicate.  If you don't have that, what else is there?  I'm not going to play charades for a foreigner that's in my country speaking a slurry of English prepositions with Japanese verbs.

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Cameron]
    #9691980 - 01/27/09 10:34 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

lol what has the American Soldier done for me? kill foreigners who aren't threats to make more foreigners angry enough to become threats, and using that to justify his action?

"I killed that guy's two brothers and he got upset and tried to plant a bomb to stop me, so I was justified in killing him. This was thousands of miles away from you, but I promise he was a threat because he hates your freedom"

And Jesus didn't offer to die for me, He already did.

And what do Jesus, murderous American soldiers, and dislike of foreign languages have in common anyways?

Society is full of retards who stole my optimism.

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #9691985 - 01/27/09 10:36 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Rabidbaboon said:
Yeah I get what you're saying definitely, but I also see how shitty society treats hispanic immigrants, and it pisses me off alot. I'm the only guy that speaks fluent english at my job, and all the horse owners there (horse stables) treat all the immigrants like total shit yelling at them and stuff, but are really nice to me. It pisses me off alot, but it's hard to be pissed at someone while they're being nice to you.

Fuck you conflicting emotions! :mad2:




I speak conversationally fluent spanish and I'll help out when I can, but if they're not even making an EFFORT, I say fuck it, lose the sale.

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: 4ohdmt]
    #9692003 - 01/27/09 10:38 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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4ohdmt said:
lol what has the American Soldier done for me?




He's not asking you what he DID for you, he's telling you that they put their lives on the line for us.  Which they do when they're at war.  I think you're confused as to what we're all arguing about.

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Newbie]
    #9692109 - 01/27/09 11:05 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I joined the millitary for my own reasons, and one of them was not so i could get a thank you from anyone. I went in for myself, not the american public. I always hated the phrase "support the troops", because the troops all went in for their own reasons, and every pair of boots knew when they joined that they do whatever the governemnt tells them. You can't say that you don't support the war, the choices of the governemnt, but you support the troops. Thats just plain wrong, because none of them were drafted like back in the day. They all chose to join, and not one person was forced into it. So if you don't support the war, then don't support the troops.

My point is, today's american soldier is not like yesterdays, and i don't support them like i would have if they were drafted, or if the nation was actually under attack from a foreign enemy. If i supported this war today, then of course i would support the troops today. But todays troops all joined knowing that they are doing whatever fool war the governemnt starts, and i don't support that at all. I am a trained soldier, and i was tought to kill when told to kill, not to think, and do what my comanders told me to. I was paid for it, and givin money to do this. I wouldn't support me under these pretenses unless i argeed with the war itself, or i was actually fighting to protect you all from actual invaders.

I don't support the troops right now, and i was one. "Support your troops" is a saying that applies to a draft or a war you agree with. I can respect that they have a dangerous job, but i will not say i support them, because they are just as responsible for where we are at today just like the government is. People are responible for their actions, even if ordered to do what they do when they chose to be in the situation they are in. I feel sorry for the people who joined right before we invaded iraq because they had no choice at the moment. But they did chose to join, and knew what their jobs entailed from the begining. And thats to do what they are told. Im still trying to figure out why i have to support the troops. Tell someone that you don't and they freak out lol.


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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Newbie]
    #9692125 - 01/27/09 11:09 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I think that is false.

Most wars waged by the US are not designed to protect the average American citizen; they are designed to protect business interests. Granted, better business benefits many Americans, but it's very rarely a case of kill-or-be-killed.

I think the average American soldier is clueless when it comes to war justification. (Canadians, too! :laugh:)

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Cameron]
    #9692134 - 01/27/09 11:12 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Dont you think its a cop-out to blanketly accuse hundreds of thousands of diverse people of being 'clueless'?  Who do you think should 'clue them in'?  Oh wait... dont answer that....

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: DieCommie]
    #9692146 - 01/27/09 11:16 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I guess I'm just optimistic. I'd hate to think that all those people agreed to kill without question, knowing the bunk justification for this (and many previous) war(s).

Do you think the average American soldier chooses money over morality?

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Cameron]
    #9692170 - 01/27/09 11:21 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I think youre making (unfounded) assumptions about the nature of american soldiers without considering diversity of opinions and perspectives they actually have.  You need look no more than three posts above to see it.

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Cameron]
    #9692183 - 01/27/09 11:23 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yes.


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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Cameron]
    #9692186 - 01/27/09 11:23 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Cameron said:
I guess I'm just optimistic. I'd hate to think that all those people agreed to kill without question, knowing the bunk justification for this (and many previous) war(s).

Do you think the average American soldier chooses money over morality?



i know there are at least a handful of soldiers who are looking for training to help with their future career in contract killing...

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: DieCommie]
    #9692188 - 01/27/09 11:23 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I think you're avoiding my question.

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Cameron]
    #9692209 - 01/27/09 11:29 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Oh, I thought it was a rhetorical question... (seemed a tad trite)

IMO, most the soldiers are doing it for a career, money and ideals - in that order.  My opinion on it isnt really relevant though is it?

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: DieCommie]
    #9692213 - 01/27/09 11:29 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

If I were to join at the present moment it would definitely be all about the money.

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Newbie]
    #9692223 - 01/27/09 11:31 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

For me, it would be about future career more than pay/signing bonus.  Its probably plan D right now (if plan A, B and C dont work out :grin:)

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: DieCommie]
    #9692241 - 01/27/09 11:36 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I think that is relevant, for sure: I'm hoping soldiers are clueless but goodhearted; you think they're informed and, subsequently, lacking moral structure.

Money prevails. What a surprise. And "ideals," too: flag-waving, Christ-toting, mind numbing ideals. :smile:

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: DieCommie]
    #9692245 - 01/27/09 11:37 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Future career?
Unless you're an MP and wanna be a cop when you get out it's my understanding that the military does little to actually help out your career beyond being a resume builder, or if you use the money to go to college.


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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Kada]
    #9692268 - 01/27/09 11:42 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I joined the millitary for my own reasons, and one of them was not so i could get a thank you from anyone. I went in for myself, not the american public. I always hated the phrase "support the troops", because the troops all went in for their own reasons, and every pair of boots knew when they joined that they do whatever the governemnt tells them. You can't say that you don't support the war, the choices of the governemnt, but you support the troops. Thats just plain wrong, because none of them were drafted like back in the day. They all chose to join, and not one person was forced into it. So if you don't support the war, then don't support the troops.




i'm giving you five shrooms for that. every military person i know went in for their own personal benefits, none of them joined to 'protect' us. yet every time i see somebody thank them for it, they always go into "yeah, i'm a war hero" mode. thank you, not for serving, but for being real about it :thumbup:

if you don't mind me asking, aside from the paychecks, do you feel as though joining the military was ultimately a positive experience for you?

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: jewunit]
    #9692300 - 01/27/09 11:47 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Future career?
Unless you're an MP and wanna be a cop when you get out it's my understanding that the military does little to actually help out your career beyond being a resume builder, or if you use the money to go to college.






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i know there are at least a handful of soldiers who are looking for training to help with their future career in contract killing...



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    #9692322 - 01/27/09 11:51 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't support the troops right now, and i was one. "Support your troops" is a saying that applies to a draft or a war you agree with. I can respect that they have a dangerous job, but i will not say i support them, because they are just as responsible for where we are at today just like the government is.




How in the fuck are the troops responsible for the governments actions :confused:

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I feel sorry for the people who joined right before we invaded iraq because they had no choice at the moment. But they did chose to join, and knew what their jobs entailed from the begining. And thats to do what they are told. Im still trying to figure out why i have to support the troops. Tell someone that you don't and they freak out lol.




The majority of the troops, joined the military before the war started.

And most of them did it to get money for college....not to fight in an unjust war.

Supporting the troops is the only morally just thing to do.

I have no love for our government for getting the troops into an unjust war
But I have no animosity toward the troops that got stuck fighting this war.
And will fully support them if given the chance.

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    #9692340 - 01/27/09 11:57 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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And most of them did it to get money for college....




... knowing that they would be near powerless to decide their own actions after signing the dotted line.

I would never support someone so careless and naive. To toss your free will aside for financial gain is worthless behavior, IMO.

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    #9692358 - 01/28/09 12:00 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

i support some troops. 3, actually. 1 of them I know deserves to step on an IED. a lot of them that i've met, but not known on a personal level, were just rednecks who wanted to go kill a 'sand-nigger' and return back to the trailer park as a so-called hero.

obviously i would prefer that our troops dont kill anybody, and nobody kills our troops (except for that 1), but that isnt reality right now.

moral arguments for supporting the troops aren't exactly strong. why would i care more about people running around shooting others in the desert than people running around making my lunch? IME, they've done nothing to protect me, but i've protected several of their friends/family members in their absence. :shrug:

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    #9692468 - 01/28/09 12:22 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I hate that religion is always being closely associated with conservatism.  I'm conservative and I'm an atheist.... all the Jesus freak wackos I ever run into are those politically correct, protest everything, fuzzy-thinking, 'Libby-jibby' liberals.

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Cameron]
    #9692595 - 01/28/09 12:58 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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And most of them did it to get money for college....




... knowing that they would be near powerless to decide their own actions after signing the dotted line.

I would never support someone so careless and naive. To toss your free will aside for financial gain is worthless behavior, IMO.




I really was not smart enough to understand the social control methods they are so good at when I enlisted.

I joined because my parents treated me like a little kid. I just wanted to get away. Then I joined and realized I really hated the army. And my parents still treated me like a little kid after deployment.

At least I learned a lot and have plenty of reasons to dislike the military now. I also gained a bunch of skills that are absolutely useless in the civilian world. And to top it off, I kept getting sent to lame places during college and somehow became a 6-7 year full time 15 unit/semester student that never failed anything. And my GI Bill almost never arrived within the first few months of each semester.

You can't beat that with a stick.

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: uber_aj]
    #9692620 - 01/28/09 01:02 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I joined the millitary for my own reasons, and one of them was not so i could get a thank you from anyone. I went in for myself, not the american public. I always hated the phrase "support the troops", because the troops all went in for their own reasons, and every pair of boots knew when they joined that they do whatever the governemnt tells them. You can't say that you don't support the war, the choices of the governemnt, but you support the troops. Thats just plain wrong, because none of them were drafted like back in the day. They all chose to join, and not one person was forced into it. So if you don't support the war, then don't support the troops.




i'm giving you five shrooms for that. every military person i know went in for their own personal benefits, none of them joined to 'protect' us. yet every time i see somebody thank them for it, they always go into "yeah, i'm a war hero" mode. thank you, not for serving, but for being real about it :thumbup:

if you don't mind me asking, aside from the paychecks, do you feel as though joining the military was ultimately a positive experience for you?




It was a positive experience as far as streightening my life out goes. I was a fuck up, and i didn't know how to behave like a man. If i took anything from the Marines it was that. They taught me how to act responibly through structure.

I can't really get into the negative stuff without going on a giant rant. All i knows is, being in the millitary makes you everyone that is above you your master. You might as well be a slave. It's not hard work most of the time, but you are there to do what you are told. You have no opinion. That was the hardest for me.


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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: niteowl]
    #9692635 - 01/28/09 01:06 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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How in the fuck are the troops responsible for the governments actions :confused:



When you are in the millitary, your whole job is to follow orders. When you join you know this. Just because you followed out a order, does not mean you are not morally responsable for your actions tho. I didn't mean they are responsible for the governments actions exactly, but they are responsible for what the governemnt can accomplish, because of their direct involvment. the orders they follow through with, might as well be their own choices because they chose to join and take the orders in the first place.


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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Kada]
    #9692658 - 01/28/09 01:11 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Is it the slaves fault the pyramids were built????

Or is it the masters fault the pyramids were built???

No one Very few people joined the military to go to war
They did it for a job/money.

Blaming the troops for the current war is fucking retarded.


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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: niteowl]
    #9692667 - 01/28/09 01:14 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

one of us is completely misinterpretting what Kada is saying... hope it isn't me :shrug:

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: niteowl]
    #9692682 - 01/28/09 01:17 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

So you are agreeing with me but you don't see it.

You can't participate in something for one reason (money/job), and not be responsible for the things you do. It's like you telling me that a hired hitman has no moral guilt, because it's not your problem people want other people killed. So i guess it's ok, because you needed a job.

Would you voluntarily take a job that would force you to do bad deeds in the name of it's own self interest? The military is not defending the country, they are invading another out of the interests of the powerful. People that join it just to have a job, or for money, or to just go to war are the hand that does these things.


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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: niteowl]
    #9692685 - 01/28/09 01:18 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Is it the slaves fault the pyramids were built????




That's a false analogy. Soldiers may be 'slaves' in the sense that they're required to follow orders, but they are in the army by choice.

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    #9692705 - 01/28/09 01:26 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I would support the slaves in that case. As in i would try to free them, or die trying. The word SLAVE could be used for soldiers that were drafted, and for whatever things the governemnt were using them for, i feel that the "slaves" had no moral guilt in most cases. How could you not support them in that instance? They are humans bound by law to serve in place of you. You didn't get drafted, so how could you not support them?


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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Kada]
    #9692720 - 01/28/09 01:30 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Wait, what does the draft have to do with the Iraqi war?

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Cameron]
    #9692735 - 01/28/09 01:36 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

In my original post i was saying that the only people i would support in a war like we have now, is someone who was forced to join by draft. I know we don't have a draft now, so that just streightens my reason when i say that no, i don't support the troops.


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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Cameron]
    #9692741 - 01/28/09 01:38 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Nothing

He is saying that he doesn't support the troops because they joined the military.

Even though he himself was in the military.
{wonder what he would think of himself had the war started while he was in the military}

Biggest fucking hypocrite I have seen in a long time.


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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: niteowl]
    #9692759 - 01/28/09 01:43 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I didn't support it, and i don't now. I joined right before it started, and thank god i didn't get sent over there. I wouldn't ask anyone to support me, i knew why i joined, i knew the risks. I realized when i was in, no matter what order i followed, it was me doing the things i did.

How am i a hypocrite? I don't get your argument. I joined in 01', and got the fuck out of there in 04'. I consider myself partially responsible for the shit that has happened just because i was apart of it, even tho i never left the US.

Niteowl, i rarely ever agree with you, and right now I'm pretty sure your screaming at me with your head in the sand. You can have your opinion, but i do not agree.


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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Kada]
    #9692765 - 01/28/09 01:45 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Oh, OK. I agree, then: drafted soldiers deserve more respect than voluntary soldiers, for sure.

Still, I would dodge the draft and skip country before I surrendered myself to the mindless machine of the military.

I can see why many wouldn't be prepared to 'desert' their country, but I don't think I could live with myself after fighting such a blatantly unjust war. But then, I'm young and idealistic. That will change with time.

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    #9692783 - 01/28/09 01:50 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Blaming the troops for the war
is like getting mad at cops because of the war on drugs

The cops didn't make the laws, they just enforce them

Troops don't declare war they just follow orders.

Since you were in the military and don't support the troops
it makes you a hypocrite, plain and simple

The majority of the people in the military today were in the military before 9-11

I can assure you that very few of them want to be at war
they are there because it is their job, just like it was your job.

i have no love for the politicians that started this war
but hold no anger towards the troops that got caught up in it.


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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: Cameron]
    #9692788 - 01/28/09 01:53 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

It's all circumstantial. If i was drafted now, my ass would be dodging that shit. If we were being invaded, or doing things for honorable reasons, then i would go along with it. I would sign up if anyone's freedom was actually on the line. Now tho, this crap is completly stupid.


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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: niteowl]
    #9692799 - 01/28/09 01:59 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I can assure you that very few of them want to be at war




If every soldier who disagreed with the war refused to fight, would the war still be possible?

If every policeman who disagreed with the war on drugs refused to arrest pot-smokers and the like, would there still be a war on drugs?

You're not getting it. They make it possible by doing their jobs. There is always the option of quitting. They can say 'no,' but they choose not to.

(And I know it's more complicated than that in the military; but no matter what anyone says, soldiers' superior officers can not pull the trigger for them. It's their choice.)

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: niteowl]
    #9692800 - 01/28/09 02:00 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Blaming the troops for the war
is like getting mad at cops because of the war on drugs

The cops didn't make the laws, they just enforce them

Troops don't declare war they just follow orders.

Since you were in the military and don't support the troops
it makes you a hypocrite, plain and simple

The majority of the people in the military today were in the military before 9-11

I can assure you that very few of them want to be at war
they are there because it is their job, just like it was your job.

i have no love for the politicians that started this war
but hold no anger towards the troops that got caught up in it.



I do blame the cops. They took the job, they are responsible for the things they do and enforce. You can't be morally free of guilt when you participate in the problem. Whoever thinks like that is a VERY dangerous person.

If i demanded support from anyone in the past, or a thank you for serving, then i would be a hypocrite. I already stated i feel like a jackass for even being in the military, and left asap. I joined before i cared to look at the politics, i was looking for money and a job. I wouldn't support me if i was the general public. Just like i don't support others for joining just for a job now. Where am i being a hypocrite? I just say i don't support the troops. this war is stupid, and i would be a hypocrite if i joined now knowing what this stupid war was all about. All the people that joined before the war has started already had their chance to get out, or not sign up.


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    #9692807 - 01/28/09 02:02 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

:whatever:


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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: niteowl]
    #9692814 - 01/28/09 02:05 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

If thats where your are ending with your arguments, then i don't even know why i was responding to you.


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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: niteowl]
    #9692816 - 01/28/09 02:05 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

How old are you?

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    #9692824 - 01/28/09 02:08 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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    #9692826 - 01/28/09 02:09 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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If thats where your are ending with your arguments, then i don't even know why i was responding to you.




whats the point in continuing this discussion?


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    #9692837 - 01/28/09 02:11 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

So you're one of those people who get more stubborn and less reasonable with age. Good to know for future discussions.

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    #9692841 - 01/28/09 02:12 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

How is it reasonable to blame a soldier
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    #9692848 - 01/28/09 02:16 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Read the last few pages with a sharp eye, consider carefully, and sleep on it. Please.

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Re: My mom sent me an email... [Re: niteowl]
    #9696731 - 01/28/09 08:22 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

he does have a point...kindof...

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You can't participate in something for one reason (money/job), and not be responsible for the things you do. It's like you telling me that a hired hitman has no moral guilt, because it's not your problem people want other people killed. So i guess it's ok, because you needed a job.

Would you voluntarily take a job that would force you to do bad deeds in the name of it's own self interest? The military is not defending the country, they are invading another out of the interests of the powerful. People that join it just to have a job, or for money, or to just go to war are the hand that does these things.




except that maybe most of the US military thinks that the US government is completely moral in their actions.  would that make an ignorant person guilty?

also, i read this quote a long time ago and it stuck with me well, but i couldn't remember where i read it at.  for some reason i also read your quotes...

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense." -Buddha

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:thumbup: I've been fortunate enough that all of my coworkers have learned well enough english to understand them.




i haven't, but it really wasn't that bad.  i worked fast food for 2 1/2 years back in high school and i worked with many mexicans that couldn't speak english.  someone said it wasn't even legal, but i dunno.  it wasn't really that bad though, because i put myself in their shoes and figured that i would have came to this country if i was born in mexico.  can you really blame them?

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And Jesus didn't offer to die for me, He already did.

And what do Jesus, murderous American soldiers, and dislike of foreign languages have in common anyways?




didn't he offer to die before he died?

you're right, they have nothing in common...:uptosomething:

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    #9696754 - 01/28/09 08:26 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Difficult business is probably better than no business. :shrug:

Plus, 75% is not 100%, like your Japanese example: a majority of immigrants know enough English to communicate decently; and they all know enough to survive, obviously.




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    #9696781 - 01/28/09 08:34 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Religious believers should be killed period.

Christians especially. Arrogant fucks.


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    #9696795 - 01/28/09 08:36 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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    #9696841 - 01/28/09 08:43 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Religious believers should be killed period.

Christians especially. Arrogant fucks.




Yeah, arrogant people suck

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    #9696850 - 01/28/09 08:45 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Religious believers should be killed period.

Christians especially. Arrogant fucks.



lol

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    #9696937 - 01/28/09 09:02 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Except that maybe most of the US military thinks that the US government is completely moral in their actions.  would that make an ignorant person guilty?




Well, legally you can be charged with a crime even if you didn't know whatever you did was a crime. Ignorance is never an excuse with the law. I think that is would apply in a moral situation as well. You can't tell me someone doesn't get a feeling of wrongness when something is wrong. I'm sure there are some people that may have joined for reasons that are completely honorable and they do deserve every single pat on the back they get.

I know there has to be people that joined with the intentions of doing nothing but good, and they may have went over to Iraq with the sole purpose of helping out people in need. Those types of people are good people, and if i knew them personally i would tell them i supported their own cause, but they are still guilty of being apart of whatever the military does as a whole, and therefore part of the larger issue anyways despite their good intentions.

If you join a group or organization without looking deeply into what they are all about, you should not be morally exempt for the things that are done just because you didn't bother to look into it first.

I know what the quote says in my sig, and i believe it applies to everything. Especially for the things i say, because i am far from perfect. I try to be enlightened about things before i open my mouth, but that doesn't mean I'm right. I just say what i feel is correct, and people should come to their own conclusions to the things they have questions about. Like anyone else tho, i voice my opinion.


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    #9706992 - 01/30/09 05:30 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Ignorance is never an excuse with the law. I think that is would apply in a moral situation as well.




i dont i think i do.

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