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madwire3
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spawning to bulk?? or not... goodbye funk tub :(
#9691125 - 01/27/09 08:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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k so Ive been reading all day trying to find a answer but no luck. my question is could u bust up one cake and spawn it 1:3 with a bulk sub then when thats fully colonized could u add more sub and mix it all up doing like 1:3 again but this time the original bulk mix being the new 1...? I thought about the contam risk already but eh its one 1/2 pint jar if I lose it big whoop. its wbs by the way
whats everyones opinion?
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Edited by madwire3 (03/29/09 01:52 AM)
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Re: spawning to bulk then again?? [Re: madwire3]
#9691142 - 01/27/09 08:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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There's a very low chance of it succeeding. In addition, the grain spawn/cake is a major part of the total nutrition of the substrate, so you'd be cutting yourself short in that department too. RR
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madwire3
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Re: spawning to bulk then again?? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9691176 - 01/27/09 08:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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so I'd be better of just goin for a 1:3 with the cake and enjoying whatever that gives me?
-------------------- I agree totally. However, this forum isn't for the experienced growers, because they already know the ropes. It's for the new growers who are just starting out. Sometimes the hardest part about learning something new is un-learning bad info. That's why I tend to correct people for calling a substrate tray a 'casing', etc.
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Re: spawning to bulk then again?? [Re: madwire3]
#9691311 - 01/27/09 08:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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you can go as high as 1:10 no prob for pasteurized bulk sub.
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madwire3
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I've done tons of reading but have no experience with bulk.
I am financially fucked at the moment so can't just go buy stuff and have no access to free poo. I do however have a couple hundred pounds of kaytee supreme wbs. a dozen bags of cob bedding. can get spent coffee grounds any time.. a container of crushed oyster shells "bigger chunks for birds". bloodmean somewhere around here. so yeah what kind of mix could I do using that to 1 half pint cake of wbs b+ strain???
-------------------- I agree totally. However, this forum isn't for the experienced growers, because they already know the ropes. It's for the new growers who are just starting out. Sometimes the hardest part about learning something new is un-learning bad info. That's why I tend to correct people for calling a substrate tray a 'casing', etc.
RR
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Re: spawning to bulk then again?? [Re: madwire3]
#9691406 - 01/27/09 09:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You could use the coffee grounds (spent) and mix them with some vermiculite and coir. Look around for the proper mixture but I think it is one block of coir to 1 quart of spent coffee grounds and 1 quart of vermiculite.
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Re: spawning to bulk then again?? [Re: creekfreek]
#9691617 - 01/27/09 09:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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corncob bedding is suitable bulk substrate. it will require overnight soak then pasteurization. Mix it with pasteurized coffee grounds and vermiculite if you can get. Put in monotub setup or trays.
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madwire3
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I don't think I'd have enough colonized substrate from one half pint cake to do a mono unless I did a small one or maybe a stacked set of those shoe box ones. I have tons of verm forgot to mention that too.
is wbs not a good sub for bulk? cause I do have a lot and would like to make use of it.
-------------------- I agree totally. However, this forum isn't for the experienced growers, because they already know the ropes. It's for the new growers who are just starting out. Sometimes the hardest part about learning something new is un-learning bad info. That's why I tend to correct people for calling a substrate tray a 'casing', etc.
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Re: spawning to bulk then again?? [Re: madwire3]
#9691743 - 01/27/09 09:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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WBS is for making grain spawn. Then you could do grain to grain transfers to make more jars at a 1:10 jar ratio. WBS must be soaked overnight with a little gypsum, brought to a boil, drained in a strainer, mixed every 5 min for about 20-25min in front of fan to steam off outside moisture of grain (outside will have a dryish look to it), then load into jars and PC for 1 1/2hr. Then you could use those WBS jars to make many more jars and inoculate lots and lots of bulk sub Muwahahahaha!!!
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madwire3
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yeah I read about that one sounds great but no gypsum so can't do that :/ I will be innoculating 14 half pints of brf/verm tomorrow of argentine strain so ill have a chance to bulk some of that and maybe play with some g2g.
but for now all my b+ is in the fc except that single jar of wbs/wbsf. so I guess ill do a cob verm and coffee mix. again I'm a noob to everything but cakes so please help me come up with a mix ratio for that 1 cake using those 3 things... pretty please
-------------------- I agree totally. However, this forum isn't for the experienced growers, because they already know the ropes. It's for the new growers who are just starting out. Sometimes the hardest part about learning something new is un-learning bad info. That's why I tend to correct people for calling a substrate tray a 'casing', etc.
RR
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Re: spawning to bulk then again?? [Re: madwire3]
#9691879 - 01/27/09 10:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Figure out how much time you want pass before full colonization the further from a tight 1:3 or other similar low ratio to a higher one the longer it will take as there are less jumping off point for your spawn to start re-connecting. I haven't worked with cob but a search may turn up results of how to prepare it. I would say you want something that has a bit of an airy feel to it if its too dense it will take more work than if there is a good network of pathways for the mycelium to follow.
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madwire3
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Re: spawning to bulk then again?? [Re: Basement Boy]
#9691979 - 01/27/09 10:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm thinking I'll just stick with a 1:3 to a 1:4 mix but to make up the 4 should it be like 2.5 cob 1 verm and .5 coffee ground?
-------------------- I agree totally. However, this forum isn't for the experienced growers, because they already know the ropes. It's for the new growers who are just starting out. Sometimes the hardest part about learning something new is un-learning bad info. That's why I tend to correct people for calling a substrate tray a 'casing', etc.
RR
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madwire3
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Re: spawning to bulk then again?? [Re: madwire3]
#9696930 - 01/28/09 09:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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ok so this is what I did...
a half pint cob a pint wbs a pint and half verm covered in wbsf some coffee ground too
did the soaks on the cob and seed then dumped em in boiling water that was off the heat
then stuck it all together in a large jar and boiled for a while...
then crumbled my cake and worked in a sealed clear trash bag to dump the wbs cake in and rolled the jar around and it actualy mixed well..
so basically I disregarded the great info I was given and just thew that crap together to see what happens I plan to leave it be for a solid week and then take a peak. maybe shake to keep it loose since it is in a smaller mouthed jar.
then if no contams ill dump it in a plastic shoe box stack then dunno if this works when I dump it in the tub should I case? add more cob? or leave it loose?
I understand if u guys don't care to share ur advice I do listen but yeah I like to mess around too :P plus what goods a forum if we can't bs about different ways of messing shit up right haha
-------------------- I agree totally. However, this forum isn't for the experienced growers, because they already know the ropes. It's for the new growers who are just starting out. Sometimes the hardest part about learning something new is un-learning bad info. That's why I tend to correct people for calling a substrate tray a 'casing', etc.
RR
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Re: spawning to bulk then again?? [Re: madwire3]
#9697029 - 01/28/09 09:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Am I getting this right your sub and crumbled cakes are mixed and still in the jar? and you plan to let it grow some in there and then dump it into trays?
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madwire3
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Re: spawning to bulk then again?? [Re: Basement Boy]
#9697055 - 01/28/09 09:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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hah its in a jar right now but that's cause I couldn't find the bit to drill holes in the top tub. I was curious if I should leave it so yeah. but most likely tomorrow ill get those holes drilled then clean it all up and dump it in. honestly not positive on what I'm doin never messed with anything besides smalllll casing and cakes.
-------------------- I agree totally. However, this forum isn't for the experienced growers, because they already know the ropes. It's for the new growers who are just starting out. Sometimes the hardest part about learning something new is un-learning bad info. That's why I tend to correct people for calling a substrate tray a 'casing', etc.
RR
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Re: spawning to bulk then again?? [Re: madwire3]
#9697078 - 01/28/09 09:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I would get it in there sooner rather than later so that you don't rough up the growing mycelium a second time. While recolnizing its just GE that you want not FAE, until you want to start the pinning process.
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madwire3
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Re: spawning to bulk then again?? [Re: Basement Boy]
#9697146 - 01/28/09 09:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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awesome k ill do it for sure tomorrow my buddy has all my hole bits.. hmmm ...
k well what's ur thoughts on holes ill be using two shoe box style tubs one flipped.. I was thinking two holes on each long side of the top box about a inch to a inch and half wide. stuffed with polyfill.. would this be better or a bunch of small holes all over the top tub? I figure if it fruits and they get too tall ill remove the top and toss it in my fruit chamber...
-------------------- I agree totally. However, this forum isn't for the experienced growers, because they already know the ropes. It's for the new growers who are just starting out. Sometimes the hardest part about learning something new is un-learning bad info. That's why I tend to correct people for calling a substrate tray a 'casing', etc.
RR
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Re: spawning to bulk then again?? [Re: madwire3]
#9697231 - 01/28/09 09:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is what I did and working well pins are popping.



On what ever one is going to be your bottom get a few holes for CO2 fill with polly fill. Line or cover the bottom so you don't get side pinning from the light. Here I used a trash bag. On others I have done the Duct tape. The one that will be the top half I put my FAE holes up higher. These I made larger and again stuffed with polly fil. This is the Set up for fruting.
For colonization I only used the bottom half and covered the holes on the bottom half with Tyvek tape and then covered the top with press and seal. The whole thing is in a warm spot of about low 70's. Mine happens to be dark also. Let it mend back up and get to 100% then casing layer or go to FC. I did a casing layer on mine of straight verm wetted to field capacity. Once ready I moved it to my FC. I use a small fan for FAE and mist by hand. Keep the casing layer moist. If it is getting too dry add more polyfill to the holes to slow it down some. If its too wet then thin it out some. You find a good balance with in your room or what ever with this.
I am still pretty new at this but feel it is coming along pretty well. I saw another mini show box grow that had great results I think they were B+.
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Re: spawning to bulk then again?? [Re: Basement Boy]
#9697238 - 01/28/09 09:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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By the way I found the easiest way to make the holes was with a knife heated up to glowing and it cut/melts holes with ease just do it where its well ventilated.
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madwire3
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Re: spawning to bulk then again?? [Re: Basement Boy]
#9697317 - 01/28/09 10:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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aww I think I seen ur shoebox setup in a thread? that's what gave me inspiration to do the same... I don't have the tops to the tubs so just foil em? and yeah I think ill melt holes too I have busted enough tubs in the past using em for incubators for reptile eggs... stupid plastic... this grow is B+ ill be inicculating my 14 half pints of brf tomorrow with argentine and try my first lc as well so excited and nervous too much new all at once
-------------------- I agree totally. However, this forum isn't for the experienced growers, because they already know the ropes. It's for the new growers who are just starting out. Sometimes the hardest part about learning something new is un-learning bad info. That's why I tend to correct people for calling a substrate tray a 'casing', etc.
RR
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