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feifen

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Mescaline help?
#9679175 - 01/25/09 08:17 PM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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I've never dosed mescaline, and I really would like to try it. I've looked it up a bit and I like what I have heard about it thus far..
So I'd like to ask some quick questions?
Has anyone rolled on ecstasy while taking Mescaline? If so, was it worth it? Or should you save the roll for another time?
I hear the body high is SIMILAR to Ecstasy, obviously its hard to explain exactly HOW you feel, but is it close?
I heard visuals flow quite nice, and visuals on ecstasy certainly is quite amazing.. I'm thinking about buying 100g of peruvian torch powder.. and dosing about 60 grams or so to test it out.. any thoughts? [Not asking for dosage advice, simply asking about how intense im asking for]
Sorry, I'm kinda inexperienced when it comes with Mescaline, and also sorry if this is in the wrong forum, not sure if this should be in ODD.
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Re: Mescaline help? [Re: feifen]
#9679223 - 01/25/09 08:25 PM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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I've heard that 2 feet of San Pedro is a good heavy dose,
not sure how that converts to grams..
I think that 100 grams sohuld be good though.
I hear Mescalien is pretty light-hearted though, not as brutal as shrooms, but just as beautiful.
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Re: Mescaline help? [Re: pfxtc]
#9679242 - 01/25/09 08:27 PM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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Ah, yes. I am experienced with LSD / mushrooms, and I heard it is quite easy to trip on, as its not too overwhelming, and I heard visuals are quite nice.
I'm mostly curious in how it feels like on Ecstasy, as I am thinking of dosing ~100 mg MDMA and 60g or maybe all 100g of the powder.. I dunno though, should be good.
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Re: Mescaline help? [Re: feifen]
#9679357 - 01/25/09 08:41 PM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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I would stay away from E on a mesco trip,
no reason why,
I just prefer things by themselves.
-------------------- koods said: Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus. Life-long trip report
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Re: Mescaline help? [Re: pfxtc]
#9679376 - 01/25/09 08:43 PM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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Yeah, I think I am going to try Mescaline by itself and next time I will try with E. That way I know if something is weird, oh and I'm taking molly, not ecstasy.. don't know how amphetamines work with mesc.
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Re: Mescaline help? [Re: feifen]
#9679479 - 01/25/09 09:01 PM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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feifen said: I've never dosed mescaline, and I really would like to try it. I've looked it up a bit and I like what I have heard about it thus far..
So I'd like to ask some quick questions?
Has anyone rolled on ecstasy while taking Mescaline? If so, was it worth it? Or should you save the roll for another time?
I hear the body high is SIMILAR to Ecstasy, obviously its hard to explain exactly HOW you feel, but is it close?
I heard visuals flow quite nice, and visuals on ecstasy certainly is quite amazing.. I'm thinking about buying 100g of peruvian torch powder.. and dosing about 60 grams or so to test it out.. any thoughts? [Not asking for dosage advice, simply asking about how intense im asking for]
Sorry, I'm kinda inexperienced when it comes with Mescaline, and also sorry if this is in the wrong forum, not sure if this should be in ODD.
I don't think you wanna eat 60 grams of cactus powder. It will more than double in size in your gut, plus it's not very efficient. And you might puke it up before it takes effect. 
Try an ISO - Alcohol extraction. I don't think you will need the MDMA with the mescaline. But it might be cool.
They don't fell the same. Mescaline feels more like a super clean non chemical opiate high in my opinion. Ecstasy feels like chemicals to me.
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I'm not worried about stomach discomfort or anything of the sort, right, I heard that this comes with possible intense nausea feeling, and definitely as least some nausea. Well, I was just curious as if anyone had tried the combo, as they sounded like they would go together well.
I'm going to try it once like this, once with MDMA, and then another time with the ISO extraction, I have ordered the powder already and should have it tomorrow or tuesday, and I will be dosing on Thursday as I have Thursday off work. Hopefully all will go good! I have my mind set to this, so, one way or another it will be an experience.
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Re: Mescaline help? [Re: feifen]
#9679984 - 01/25/09 10:37 PM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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I've never combined mescaline/ecstasy. But if it is anything like peyote-which mescaline is derived from. I say go for it, their is nothing like a good candy flip. Just make sure that you do the x first, i have found that with other trip's (acid, shrooms, peyote) you will get a better experience doing the x and waiting till you really start to feel it before dropping. If you do it the other way around you will be out of reality when the roll kicks in and definitely will not get the full effects of the x. Recommended Supplies: (besides the obv. like glow-sticks, vicks, and different fabrics) Highly recommend either a teething ring or chew bone-soft rubbery kind-not rawhide or reel bone- if you can bend it then it'll work. Tie this around your neck or arm so you will not loose it. Trust me-your teeth will thank you in the morning, I didn't know this and ended up grinding my teeth the whole night. Great experience though X&peyote
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I just recently posted this in another thread regarding mescaline. Here is my opinion on dosing for people interested in ensuring they get a "full experience". If you are not experienced with psychedelics i would advise staying with a lower dose first just in case it is too strong. But if you know what tripping is all about and don't want to waste your time and have to ingest this rather bad tasting stuff without getting results this is my best advice. cheers
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When dosing dried peruvian torch chips i found i had to pretty much double the typical recommended dosages to get the kind of trip i wanted(stronger with a guaranteed visual element to it). Most people on these forums will recommend 40-50g dried. After doing that and getting results similar to yours i kept checking and found out on another forum people were getting the results i had hoped for by doing 60-100g minimum when doing tea. Albeit alot of people on that forum probably get from a similar source as i did and thus had more accurate recommendations.
I think low balling it is still probably safer when recommending general dosages on a public forum, where novices might not be comfortable with a "real trip". But in my experience a fair bit of people want to ensure a good strong trip when they actually have the time set aside for a lengthy mescaline trip. And it would really suck to get all that cactus down and not trip like you had hoped, also wasting your typically not so common full day to devote to tripping.
People on that forum were recommending for your typical live cutting if you really want to trip(at a dose with visuals), just to go all out and try 2 feet.
I think the worst case scenario, say you get the most potent cactus ever recorded(something like 3% mescaline?), which is highly unlikely, you probably wouldnt end up doing too much to harm yourself. Probably would just have a hell of a trip. And if you get an average(~0.5-1.5%) cactus you get the trip you wanted.
I looked at it like this when i decided to dose 80g dry peruvian torch.
80g x ( 0.03) = 2.4g for 3% mescaline(highly unlikely) 80g x (0.015) = 1.2g for 1.5% mescaline, probably unlikely to expect your cactus is this good, finding something this strong would be a good find 80g x (.01) = 0.8g for 1% mescaline, this is probably a safe assumption for the quality of most stuff going around 89g x (.005) = 0.4g for 0.5% mescaline, this is hopefully also unlikely to get something this weak.
Also when making tea i think its safe to assume you wont get 100% of the mescaline out of it, also probably safe to expect you wont be able to finish all of it(some people can, others can't, sometimes you hit that brick wall where you know if you try for more you will puke). Personally on my most recent mescaline voyage i brewed 400g for 5 people(80g each). We each ended up with 750ml, 2 of us(myself included) were able to down about 650ml, the others about 550ml.
I also had the benefit of knowing the results of a few peoples mescaline extractions. One person ordering from the same vendor reported getting 5000mg mescaline from 375g dried peruvian torch. I estimated this at 4.5g assuming perhaps impurities. This gave 4.5g/375g = 0.012 or 1.2% mescaline content. So i assumed 0.012 x 80g = 0.96g or 960mg mescaline. Assuming i dont get a 100% extraction this would likely leave me around say 800mg (~80% efficiency). This gives me a fairly strong dose with a bit of buffer incase i cannot drink it all.
Damn this post got a little long and a bit off topic, sorry for that but i just thought i would throw this info out in case anyone else reading was interested. My best advice is if you know you can handle a real trip and want to ensure you get one, overshoot the "regular" recommended dosages. From what i have experienced mescaline is fairly gentle, not to say it would always be like that though.
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Re: Mescaline help? [Re: ggpr]
#9680535 - 01/26/09 01:33 AM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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I wouldn't combine the two, for one theres no need to at all mescaline is great just by itself. Secondly I dosed 100g of peruvian torch powder after coming down off MDMA it was not much fun at all, my heart was racing and wouldn't stop and you have the problem of serotonin syndrome.
Also I wouldn't take 100g for your first time, try 60 that will probably be more than enough.
Edited by MindFood (01/26/09 01:35 AM)
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Re: Mescaline help? [Re: MindFood]
#9682160 - 01/26/09 12:26 PM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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I have made a tea from 50-60 grams of P. torch and did not get to much of an effect.Almost not worth the effort of drinking that nasty ass shit
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Re: Mescaline help? [Re: DNBplus]
#9684171 - 01/26/09 05:54 PM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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i have no clue why someone would want to combine the two if it was going to be the first mescaline experience.
IMO, first experiences should always be by themselves, then experiment with combo's later. reason being, you can never trip on mescaline for the first time again.
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Re: Mescaline help? [Re: Artnotwar]
#9685159 - 01/26/09 08:28 PM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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intense_cutn said: i have no clue why someone would want to combine the two if it was going to be the first mescaline experience.
IMO, first experiences should always be by themselves, then experiment with combo's later. reason being, you can never trip on mescaline for the first time again.
You said it man!!! I had my first mescaline trip a couple weeks ago. I did it all by itself and I am so glad I did. No bud, no booze, just the spirit of the cactus. One of the best experiences of my life. If I had added anything I would have lost something I think. It's so lucid and clean, you wouldn't be able to tell what you we're feeling. Why mess with such a good thing. The first time anyway. I will remember it for the rest of my life.
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Re: Mescaline help? [Re: ggpr]
#9685185 - 01/26/09 08:32 PM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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ggpr said: I just recently posted this in another thread regarding mescaline. Here is my opinion on dosing for people interested in ensuring they get a "full experience". If you are not experienced with psychedelics i would advise staying with a lower dose first just in case it is too strong. But if you know what tripping is all about and don't want to waste your time and have to ingest this rather bad tasting stuff without getting results this is my best advice. cheers
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When dosing dried peruvian torch chips i found i had to pretty much double the typical recommended dosages to get the kind of trip i wanted(stronger with a guaranteed visual element to it). Most people on these forums will recommend 40-50g dried. After doing that and getting results similar to yours i kept checking and found out on another forum people were getting the results i had hoped for by doing 60-100g minimum when doing tea. Albeit alot of people on that forum probably get from a similar source as i did and thus had more accurate recommendations.
I think low balling it is still probably safer when recommending general dosages on a public forum, where novices might not be comfortable with a "real trip". But in my experience a fair bit of people want to ensure a good strong trip when they actually have the time set aside for a lengthy mescaline trip. And it would really suck to get all that cactus down and not trip like you had hoped, also wasting your typically not so common full day to devote to tripping.
People on that forum were recommending for your typical live cutting if you really want to trip(at a dose with visuals), just to go all out and try 2 feet.
I think the worst case scenario, say you get the most potent cactus ever recorded(something like 3% mescaline?), which is highly unlikely, you probably wouldnt end up doing too much to harm yourself. Probably would just have a hell of a trip. And if you get an average(~0.5-1.5%) cactus you get the trip you wanted.
I looked at it like this when i decided to dose 80g dry peruvian torch.
80g x ( 0.03) = 2.4g for 3% mescaline(highly unlikely) 80g x (0.015) = 1.2g for 1.5% mescaline, probably unlikely to expect your cactus is this good, finding something this strong would be a good find 80g x (.01) = 0.8g for 1% mescaline, this is probably a safe assumption for the quality of most stuff going around 89g x (.005) = 0.4g for 0.5% mescaline, this is hopefully also unlikely to get something this weak.
Also when making tea i think its safe to assume you wont get 100% of the mescaline out of it, also probably safe to expect you wont be able to finish all of it(some people can, others can't, sometimes you hit that brick wall where you know if you try for more you will puke). Personally on my most recent mescaline voyage i brewed 400g for 5 people(80g each). We each ended up with 750ml, 2 of us(myself included) were able to down about 650ml, the others about 550ml.
I also had the benefit of knowing the results of a few peoples mescaline extractions. One person ordering from the same vendor reported getting 5000mg mescaline from 375g dried peruvian torch. I estimated this at 4.5g assuming perhaps impurities. This gave 4.5g/375g = 0.012 or 1.2% mescaline content. So i assumed 0.012 x 80g = 0.96g or 960mg mescaline. Assuming i dont get a 100% extraction this would likely leave me around say 800mg (~80% efficiency). This gives me a fairly strong dose with a bit of buffer incase i cannot drink it all.
Damn this post got a little long and a bit off topic, sorry for that but i just thought i would throw this info out in case anyone else reading was interested. My best advice is if you know you can handle a real trip and want to ensure you get one, overshoot the "regular" recommended dosages. From what i have experienced mescaline is fairly gentle, not to say it would always be like that though.
Some sources sell only the green flesh( no core and skin). You're looking at more like 4-5% mescaline content. So be careful. Mescaline is so friendly though. More or less isn't going to send you off the deep end.
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Personally i still think 5% seems a little high, how many people do you read about doing extractions on say 100g cactus and getting 5g of mescaline... Not to say it couldn't or has not happened i'm just not sure if thats the common result? The extractions i had read about were on green flesh only and they came out around 1-2%. I know you recently performed the citrate one, would you mind sharing the results of that?
It would be interesting if the mescaline/cactus megathread FAQ was actually started. I would be interested in compiling data on peoples personal mescaline extraction results. The data would be very interesting and useful and i'm sure it would help guide alot of people in regards to dosing questions. Even if no trends presented themselves, just confirming that the average cactus potency could be all over the board would be useful.
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