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burntcokie13
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Scopolamine Extraction???
#9678228 - 01/25/09 06:02 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hello fellow psychonauts...
A while back I noticed a brugmansia tree potted in front of a big building in a busy downtown. I knew what it was right away and decided to take a few "trumpets" to maybe play around with.
I am wondering if anyone has tried an A/B extraction of scopolamine from brugmansia flowers. I'm thinking since it is an "amine" that the extraction process can't be too much different than that of a DMT extraction...and perhaps exactly the same (probably with a lot more de-fatting).
Any thoughts on this? I know the dangers of scopolamine and I'm not looking for a lecture; I just wanna know if my idea is feasible.
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burntcokie13
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Re: Scopolamine Extraction??? [Re: burntcokie13]
#9680413 - 01/26/09 12:31 AM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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Any help? Someone has to know something about chemistry.
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burntcokie13
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Re: Scopolamine Extraction??? [Re: burntcokie13]
#9680425 - 01/26/09 12:35 AM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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Any help? Someone has to know something about chemistry.
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burntcokie13
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Re: Scopolamine Extraction??? [Re: burntcokie13]
#9680426 - 01/26/09 12:36 AM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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oops, i'm really really baked. Sorry about that.
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Re: Scopolamine Extraction??? [Re: burntcokie13]
#9680719 - 01/26/09 03:01 AM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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Your not going to get any advice, as scopolamine is extremely toxic.
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Re: Scopolamine Extraction??? [Re: psikooz]
#9680721 - 01/26/09 03:05 AM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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MOD's close this thread.
And if your not sure about closing it, go dose up on some scopolamine and see for yourself.
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Re: Scopolamine Extraction??? [Re: psikooz]
#9680723 - 01/26/09 03:08 AM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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MOD's close this thread.
And if your not sure about closing it, go dose up on some scopolamine and see for yourself.
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Re: Scopolamine Extraction??? [Re: psikooz]
#9680809 - 01/26/09 04:54 AM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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Why would u wanna extract the shit? Theres very little good that can come outta taking scopolamine. If your dead set on taking some lethal but psychoactive chemical I'd say atropines your best bet.
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burntcokie13
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I said I wasn't looking for a lecture.
I'm not going to take it myself...I know you guys are gonna find this fucked but I've always been interested in the idea of a weaponized hallucinogen.
Basically, it breaks down like this: When the police state takes over and all of our rights (and our guns) have been taken away... What do you do? How do you fight?
I think completely altering your oppressor's reality is a start, let you buy some time.
I know, I know, I'm a paranoid fuck. But it doesn't mean i can't have ideas to play around with.
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Re: Scopolamine Extraction??? [Re: burntcokie13]
#9683005 - 01/26/09 02:44 PM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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Hey burntcokie, I think maybe you wouldn't need to extract the scopolamine to build a weapon from the brugmansia. It may be more potent keeping it intact chemically... considering the presence of hyoscyamine in the datura too. Just a thought... I'll give your original question some thought too, I know a bit, but still am a chemistry novice. Good topic. word
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Flame off you guys this here a legitimate question. I heard somewhere about medieval assassins using extracts of daturas for poison, so there must be some way to concentrate the actives.
If I ever wanted to murder some one or zombify them for slavery I would probably make a tea of the flowers like most idiots do and then boil off or evaporate the water untill I got a very fine concentrate or powder.  
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burntcokie13
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Re: Scopolamine Extraction??? [Re: PanamaFred]
#9683663 - 01/26/09 04:31 PM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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THANK YOU, Sex and Panama!!
I thought for sure if I put down my intentions here i would be flamed right off the forum...
About leaving it intact...although it may be potent enough as is, there would be no real delivery method other than tricking the person take it, and the scenario in my mind would never allow that to happen.
And about simply making a tea...I like the idea of keeping all the other chemicals within the same "cocktail," so to speak, but would simply evaping the water from the tea leave an end product that was potent enough?? it'd be nice to get a powder that was strictly deleriant chemicals and not fat, chlorophyll, and other plant matter.
once again thanks for your reponses...and i encourage ya'll to think about this if you're interested. 3 heads are better than one.
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Re: Scopolamine Extraction??? [Re: burntcokie13]
#9683702 - 01/26/09 04:35 PM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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I don't really know how to do it, but I know some people who would. Head over to the chemistry forum, look around, see who you think looks like a knowledgeable chemist, and shoot some PMS around.
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Re: Scopolamine Extraction??? [Re: burntcokie13]
#9683800 - 01/26/09 04:51 PM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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How about dissolving the plant matter in 95% iso alchohol... then letting it evaporate. leaving only chlorophyll and the alkaloids as a powder. the next step, to eliminate the chlor. is what i dont know. but it's close to complete.
As far as delivery methods... heh heh.. i can think of a few. a gel substance made from these tropanes, in a very high concentration, covering basically any weapon that penetrates the body, dart, knife etc.
Also, Panama, Ive too read that about datura being used as an assassins poison.
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I would also like to say that my beliefs and respect for this divine plant place me against the notion of turning it into a weapon in reality. lol the beauty of free speech and contemplation.
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Re: Scopolamine Extraction??? [Re: burntcokie13]
#9683902 - 01/26/09 05:06 PM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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This thread has been closed.
Reason: Question answered. Not going to facilitate talk about turning scopolamine into a weapon.
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