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Mr. Mushrooms
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Re: Philosophizing on Women and Sex [Re: xFrockx]
#9671496 - 01/24/09 02:53 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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xFrockx said: "As a rule, women are inferior in physical strength."
O rly?
It couldn't be cultural? Of course there are hormonal differences, but this "rule" of yours is written no where. This forcefully written opinion doesn't make you a truth-teller, it makes you a bullshit salesman.
What I am or who I am isn't the topic.
4) Avoid personalisms. We're all human and nobody expects a completely sterile discussion, but please try to keep to the topic, and leave the folks you're talking to personally out of things. If your personalisms get the attention of the moderators, you will be warned or banned.
Please refrain from personalisms. Thank you.
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Re: Philosophizing on Women and Sex [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#9671565 - 01/24/09 03:10 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mr. Mushrooms said: When we speak of either sex we have to speak in generalizations rather than specifics. As a rule, women are inferior in physical strength. That being the case, I disagree with what I perceive as historical revision, i.e. "A woman could use primitive farm tools just as easily as a man...." Paleolithic axes may have appeared 700,000 years ago. I seriously doubt they were used with the same efficacy by both sexes.
Today certain vocations are still weighted toward physical strength. That being the case, few women are employed because they cannnot do the job.
Also, studies have shown that the sulcus, i.e. a portion of the brain that deals with analytic computation, is larger in men than women. Notably, there are more Grand Masters at Chess that are men, than women. Examination of Einstein's brain shows anomalies in the sulcus. Some have hypothesized it was a biological reason for his genius.
Many roles that women play (pun unintended) are biologically driven. The same would apply to men. Men cannot nurse an infant from their breast. Women can.
I'm not denying any of that. But Ken Wilber's point was that the Industrial Revolution brought with it, in his words, "the differentiation of the noosphere and the biosphere." In other words, much of the labor became less physical and more intellectual, and women were less confined by their biology to certain tasks.
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Re: Philosophizing on Women and Sex [Re: Silversoul]
#9671634 - 01/24/09 03:27 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, I didn't address that point because it seems axiomatic.
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Re: Philosophizing on Women and Sex [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#9671755 - 01/24/09 03:54 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Who axed you?
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Re: Philosophizing on Women and Sex [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#9671793 - 01/24/09 04:04 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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It was hardly a personalism. I never said it was good or bad to be a bullshit salesman, or that you personally are a bullshit salesman, but rather that your method of debate, i.e. stating your opinions as truth, is what a bullshit salesman does.
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Mr. Mushrooms
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Lizzie Borden, but let's not get too far off-topic.
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Re: Philosophizing on Women and Sex [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#9671990 - 01/24/09 04:45 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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What's wrong with profiting on women and sex?
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Re: Philosophizing on Women and Sex [Re: Indigenous]
#9672047 - 01/24/09 04:57 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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It violates their inalienable rights?
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Re: Philosophizing on Women and Sex [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#9672058 - 01/24/09 05:00 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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how's that?
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Re: Philosophizing on Women and Sex [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#9672102 - 01/24/09 05:07 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mr. Mushrooms said: It violates their inalienable rights?
Let's not get into abductions.
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Re: Philosophizing on Women and Sex [Re: AnxietyDrive]
#9673884 - 01/24/09 11:12 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Women are strange, paradoxical creatures that by nature or necessity both create and complete man: why is this dictated and why have sexual differences become so widespread? Automatically, a large portion of men seem to downplay women because of their emotional and physical fragility, as well as their seeming lack of reason.
Women have no real reason to inhibit their emotions. In fact, it's to their advantage to be emotional. Men may not "agree" with it because A-they don't identify with it from a survival perspective, and B-they secretly want to feel the same level of emotion. Emotional displays by healthy women can be quite attractive. OTOH, if a man displays emotion he displays weakness, and this is bad because being the larger party, the outcome of violent situations are dependent on him. Women simply don't need to be solid as a rock, mentally or physically, but men do.
We can break that rule too. Men will generally remain calm as long as they feel they have sexual value. When a man gets the idea his DNA isn't desired, he may resort to emotional behaviour. 40% of male children will never help conceive a child, while only 10% of females will find themselves in this situation. Doing whatever is possible to attract a potential mate is preferable to doing nothing, and I think it is for this reason that the worlds prison systems house mostly men.
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according to Barbara Ehrenreich: Was akin to the maw of a predator beast in which marked death and the pursuit of man by the beast
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Ha ha, maybe. Inspiration for The Wall? I think it can be explained with the relationship between sex, blood, and death. We are all prey, and predators down there but I think there is something to this vision.
The original context for Eve appears to be that she was born, not from a rib, but from the side of man. That is to say, from neither the lower half or higher half. The Quran states that Eve was born from the same material (dust) as Adam. Both of these stories indicate A- equality and B- man coming first. To me this means that despite our bio-chemical relationship to each other, we are the same, equal in faculty, and that "female" as we know her today was created from this backdrop of womb-man.
It's also worth considering that as institution has arisen, the necessity of masculinity has decreased. Institution becomes the man. There is less need for it in the context of what's best for Big Brother (The Man, Father, etc.). But at the same time, procreation isn't a social activity. Even beyond all that, men are expendable. If there is a tribe of 100 men, and 100 women, who should fight either for food or territory? If 90 men die you can still have a chance of 100 pregnancies. If 90 Women die, only 10 pregnancies.
Men are just pieces of meat, in a biological sense, whereas wombs are much more valuable. This doesn't mean that they have teeth, or that they are made of gold. They are more emotional in general, but I don't see a relationship with chaos, except in that they are people too. We (the sexes) are equally (un)reasonable, and have different biological motives. By necessity men are more likely to keep their teeth sharp in all ways, and will exhibit less (or more) emotion depending on what they think their chances are.
I agree with you on the mystical/sacred aspect of sex. Could be a good idea, though biologically speaking it's not a necessity.
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Re: Philosophizing on Women and Sex [Re: Rahz]
#9674246 - 01/25/09 01:11 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't see a relationship with chaos, except in that they are people too.
The comparison is made with the Earth. Generally, we attribute characteristics of both nurture and destruction to the earth, and we also feminize it - I.E. "mother earth" and "mother nature". This is where the notion of chaos fits, and why it is attributed to women and their inherent emotionality.
More generalizations and comparisons can be made if one was to pick out from the vast pantheons of Gods and goddesses the earth mothers; Gaea, Virgin Mary, Demeter, are all part of the long list of mother goddesses.
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Re: Philosophizing on Women and Sex [Re: Desos]
#9674663 - 01/25/09 05:02 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Desos said: i hear their menstration attracts bears. bears!
you hear that? now your putting the whole station in jeopordy. bears!
lmfao 54U
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Re: Philosophizing on Women and Sex [Re: AnxietyDrive]
#9676175 - 01/25/09 12:42 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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AnxietyDrive said: Personally, during sex i myself feel like i have merged with something other than the girl -- something higher.
Thanks dear
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Re: Philosophizing on Women and Sex [Re: RBK]
#9676360 - 01/25/09 01:09 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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RBK said:
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AnxietyDrive said: Personally, during sex i myself feel like i have merged with something other than the girl -- something higher.
Thanks dear
Its okay baby, i wouldn't merge with anything if you weren't so damn good. 
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Re: Philosophizing on Women and Sex [Re: AnxietyDrive]
#9676715 - 01/25/09 02:04 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Women are strange, paradoxical creatures
I lol'd
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Re: Philosophizing on Women and Sex [Re: xFrockx]
#9680803 - 01/26/09 04:39 AM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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xFrockx said: "As a rule, women are inferior in physical strength."
O rly?
It couldn't be cultural? Of course there are hormonal differences, but this "rule" of yours is written no where.
I wholeheartedly agree with this statement, and it was no way a personal attack.
This "rule" of a man being stronger than a woman relys upon a judgement and a stereotype. We know that not all black people are smarter than white people, and not all women are stronger than man. In our society it has become deemed unattractive, wrong, and out of place for women to partake in the typical "male behaviors." Society continues to corrupt what the spirit is capable of. It is typical behavior learned in high school that girls relay their feelings through drama and secret attacks emotionally rather than physically. The majority of our physical capability comes from our mental capability. Our will. The men have the will to prove themselves to each other, and to the female counterpart. Females lack this desire, and have no necessity for physical strength.We very carefully train our females to become masters of inhibiting underlying emotions and attacking with the intent to hurt or create an emotion. Not only do we learn how to exhibit negative energy in our early stages in life, we learn how a "relationship" MUST WORK. High school boot camp not only trains their emotional reaction, but while stimulating strong emotion, clouds logical reasoning and clear thinking.
I used to be the most terribly violent kid in my high school. Through meditation and deep thinking i went from stealing and regular suspensions from fighting, to the complete opposite. In nature we see the constant theme of the male needing to prove ourselves to the female. It is quite interesting how we are capable of eliminating that desire. When you no longer desire to prove yourself to a female, you are able to create a spiritual bond, free of the typical relationship society persuades you to have.
Edited by Ascending Lotus (01/26/09 04:40 AM)
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