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OfflineBeauville
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the SubtleSupernatural
    #964598 - 10/16/02 12:40 AM (19 years, 16 days ago)

I do believe that humans can sense things that we are not taught in western civ. to be aware of.
I have had several experiences when sober and reasonable that I could not describe as anything other that extrasensual.
The two most intense ones occured in locations that had significant and horrible events happen there that I did not actually know about in full till after I had experienced what I did.

1. I was in Buffalo N.Y. upstate. Near Lockport in the rural country I was tramping about and stopped the car to examine a large 2 story victorian looking house (with a corner spire and all) off the road that was obviously abandoned. I did not fear squatters or vagrants, they are not typical of the area, and I went in the back through the kitchen that had fallen through to decay. There was ancient police tape, which i did not fear. I went up the stars (foolishly- they felt soft) and into the upstairs bedrooms. you could see the outlines of the furniture on the walls... and all the floors sunk in towards the middle... the first two rooms felt strange to me but not frightening, and there was a secret crawl space between them... the third room (a girls room, still will tattered lace in the window and pale staned pink on the walls...) felt wretched. I can not explain how horrible and gut wrenching the mood of the room was. I can only explain that there was an after-image of something absolutely horrid happening in that room that I could sense, like when something flashes you in the eyes so bright that you can still see a vague outline hours later. All I could think of was the word "violated". I felt a creeping cold sweat. I questioned if I was a fool or ascenine as I carefully crept down the stairs while rubbernecking back up the stairs in a alarmed fear of what I felt may come down with me...I was completely unnerved. The kicker was the door under the stairs that led into the basement police paper-tape faded on the door. cracked openjust enough to feel the air drifting icy cold and foul through the decade old cobwebs covering the gap.
I found out a week later that a family had at one time lived there, and the father was jailed on child abuse charges. More recently a teen locally accused of manslaughter had been found there by the police hiding out.

I am not trying to seem colorful of amusing or posting this to seem arty.
I want to know your opinions on the whole "after image" concept... can a particular place be noticably tainted by action or event?


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Edited by Beauville (10/16/02 01:15 AM)


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Re: SubleSupernatural (the) [Re: Beauville]
    #964647 - 10/16/02 01:00 AM (19 years, 16 days ago)

That's creepy man, I would've never gone in an abandoned house like that. I've never experienced so dramatic an after-image effect like you were talking about, but I definitely think they are possible. Most people are taught to ignore those fuzzy yet nagging feelings they get about a place so they don't even notice it. Some people's mind's are more in tune with it than others.


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Re: SubleSupernatural (the) [Re: Metasyn]
    #964667 - 10/16/02 01:05 AM (19 years, 16 days ago)

So you would describe it as an "after-image" then? That is the closest I could explain to the subtlety of it.
I used to think the concept of sacred grounds and cursed earth and consecration were all a buch of spiritual trash and bullshit fabricated out of fear, vague history and attempts to make religion appear powerful, but after a few instances like the above, I question it...


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Re: SubleSupernatural (the) [Re: Beauville]
    #964755 - 10/16/02 01:46 AM (19 years, 16 days ago)

I guess I'd have to go there. If it happened everytime I went there... I'd have to reconfigure my current paradigm.


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Re: the SubtleSupernatural [Re: Beauville]
    #964790 - 10/16/02 02:01 AM (19 years, 16 days ago)

Packed with demons.

Next.


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Re: SubleSupernatural (the) [Re: Sclorch]
    #964795 - 10/16/02 02:02 AM (19 years, 16 days ago)

Try a paranickel, they're cheaper.


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Re: the SubtleSupernatural [Re: ]
    #964925 - 10/16/02 02:43 AM (19 years, 16 days ago)

I was being serious, Playdough. Serious.

Cmon'

After all the intelectual talks and replies on subjects oh so drawn out and discussed and others merely conceptual, that is the best you have to offer?
Demons? !!!

Demons my arse.

Pierre <---pissy and belittled.


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Re: the SubtleSupernatural [Re: Beauville]
    #965517 - 10/16/02 11:06 AM (19 years, 16 days ago)

I'm sorry.  Sometimes I do not answer with substance but rely heavily on form.

You may also call me Platomacaroni. :smile:

I do not have time this very instant to reply more substantively but I will return, peruse your initial thread, and give it a full treatment.

I do this because you want it and because I think you are a wecome addition to this forum.

Until then, 


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Re: the SubtleSupernatural [Re: Beauville]
    #965524 - 10/16/02 11:17 AM (19 years, 16 days ago)

Rooms, objects, people, and whatever else can hold energies that they are charged with. It is indeed one of the subtle senses to perceive them, but often they can be quite strong. You probably get this feeling all the time without ever recognizing it... walking into a friend's house, different buildings... different vibes.

Thoughts are energy. When we release thoughts into our environment, they have an effect. When persons release massive amounts of positive, or loving energy into an area, that area can retain that powerful loving energy which can be felt by others in the future. Likewise, a very negative, fear-filled energy can be equally powerful and lingering.

Yes, a place can be tainted by an action or event. It can also be untainted by cleansing energies. When you mentioned sensing the after-image of something bad happening in that room, I saw a flash of violence.. one hate filled person abusing their free will and destroying the free will of a fear filled young person. Something like that..


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Re: the SubtleSupernatural [Re: Shroomism]
    #966986 - 10/16/02 09:12 PM (19 years, 15 days ago)

I am glad that some of you took this seriouly. I have done my best to ignore these things for sake of seeming melodramatic, and full of shit to myself. I do believe that you are right Shroomism, and that was insightful. I do think that if we attune our senses in and accept that ther are such energies then we would be more aware of ourselves and surroundings.
In New Orleans, it is the difference of walking down a street that you will get mugged on, and one that will have no event aside the walking. I have had those feelings too, but I just attributed them at the time to growing up in the slums and getting "streetsmarts" whatever the hell that means... Intuition perhaps?

Consider this: an animal constantly hunted gains heightened senses and awareness as a precaution to getting killed. What if humans (the most adaptable) considered this a virtue as well., intead of trying to ignore everything?

* and by the way Plato, flattery will get you nowhere but busted.

okeh that was pathetic and unfunny i am sorry.


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Re: the SubtleSupernatural [Re: Beauville]
    #967812 - 10/17/02 02:17 AM (19 years, 15 days ago)

I think intuition plays a larger role in these "energies" than any sixth sense or whatever.


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Re: the SubtleSupernatural [Re: Beauville]
    #968118 - 10/17/02 05:17 AM (19 years, 15 days ago)

In answer to your question, I do think that there are "energies" that can be imprinted on matter - just like the more common physical energies like electromagnetism but undetectable by conventional means.

It takes the sensetivity and nuanced perceptions of a "tuned in" human mind to be able to pick up the subtle energy. I wouldn't say that it's supernatural or metaphysical, I would instead call it a natural force that exists just under the threshold of perception.


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Re: the SubtleSupernatural [Re: Sclorch]
    #968127 - 10/17/02 05:29 AM (19 years, 15 days ago)

I think intuition plays a larger role in these "energies" than any sixth sense or whatever

I agree with you on this one... I would add that I define intuition as a gestalt perception - it isn't one particular thing being perceived and it's not one sense (the sixth?) that is perceiving. It's a combination of many threshold perceptions that come together to form this intuitive understanding.

For example, in the creepy victorian mansion, there may be many sights, sounds and smells (and possibly other perceptions) that exist just under the perceptual threshold, which taken alone wouldn't amount to much. But taken together they form a definite feeling of something. I've had many experiences where I thought - "something happened here" or "there's something here" and other strange and scary sensations that I can't attribute to a single perception.


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Re: the SubtleSupernatural [Re: Shroomism]
    #968279 - 10/17/02 08:03 AM (19 years, 15 days ago)

yeah i don't consider this supernatural, i reckon it comes down to vibrations, something like shroomism said. I like physics....so with things like this i tend to think in terms of vibrations and fields, like the sound (waves) of an event (a pin drop, a shout) can be heard(or felt) in a room or cave for a while after the event itself. perhaps more subtle vibrations can also continue to resonate for some time?

the only time i have felt something like this myself for sure was in northern India, at a couple of places called Ajanta and Ellora, cave temple complexes carved in stone by some of the first followers of the buddha - beginning about 2200 years ago, around 300 years after the buddha died, these monks moved into these two sites (ajanta is the earlier site i think) and started carving places to live in the rocks. the sites were inhabited for about a thousand years - which gives the visitor a great look at the developement (corruption?) of buddhism over this time: original temples incredibly simple, seemingly designed for excellent acousitcs but not decorated at all - later temples all tantric gods and big-breasted goddesses with lots of arms all over the walls.....

but i'm losing myself, the point is that in some of these caves I was completely dumbstruck, unable to speak, heart suddenly pounding, all of my hairs standing on end, tears streaming from my eyes, my mind also numb, unthinking. i was with one of my indian uncles, my australian mother, and my brother. my uncle was all jolly, shouting loudly to hear his echo, mum was inspired by the art, paintings on the walls and things, my brother and I were both struck and didn't say a word for hours but i don't think he had the heart pounding hair standing on end crying thing happen.

power spot? left over buddhist meditation vibes?


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Re: the SubtleSupernatural [Re: Sclorch]
    #968369 - 10/17/02 09:40 AM (19 years, 15 days ago)

I think intuition plays a larger role in these "energies" than any sixth sense or whatever.

Call me crazy but I consider intuition to be the sixth sense


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Re: the SubtleSupernatural [Re: Shroomism]
    #969882 - 10/17/02 06:27 PM (19 years, 14 days ago)

You'd be crazy to call intuition a sixth sense... it's just a bunch of prejudices.
*wowmp*


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Re: the SubtleSupernatural [Re: Beauville]
    #971793 - 10/18/02 09:20 AM (19 years, 14 days ago)

Ok I read it thoroughly.

I don't know.


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