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Trying to get my ducks in a row...
    #9676074 - 01/25/09 12:26 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I have just purchased my basic supplies:
Vermiculite
Perlite
Brown Rice Flour
Spore syringe-from sporeworks
Wide-mouth mason jars

Still need to get tape for the inoculation holes and a fruiting container.

I was going to follow (pretty closely) RR's tek from his video. Sounds fairly foolproof.

Can I sterilize w/o a PC (dont want to use the oven-pasteurization tek), can i just use a huge pot w/lid and maybe boil for longer
?
I have pint-sized mason jars-wondering with only one spore syringe if I could successfully colonize all 12 of them to 100%, or if I should just do half
?
After I colonize is it possible to reserve one cake and use that to start another round of jars-if so..any recommendations on how
?
Thanks in advance, I have read through so many threads that my head is spinning.


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Re: Trying to get my ducks in a row... [Re: fltdriver82]
    #9676106 - 01/25/09 12:31 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

1) You don't necessarily need a PC for PF-Tek.
2) You theoretically can, but it will take longer to colonize. One syringe = 10 half pints (for a general idea).
3) No. Don't do it. You can do this with grain (G2G), don't do it with PF cakes. You can use it to spawn to bulk substrates, however.
4) Understandable.


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Re: Trying to get my ducks in a row... [Re: German Kahuna]
    #9676117 - 01/25/09 12:33 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Ducks eat for free at subway.
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Re: Trying to get my ducks in a row... [Re: Modizu]
    #9676127 - 01/25/09 12:34 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

LMFAO...I'm sitting here eating subway.


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Re: Trying to get my ducks in a row... [Re: fltdriver82]
    #9676139 - 01/25/09 12:37 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

hahaa.

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Colonizing bulk-sub with PFcake [Re: German Kahuna]
    #9676214 - 01/25/09 12:48 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

From what i have just read in the a few threads...

break up the cake and mix into a substrate such as 50/50 manure/straw mix?


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Re: Colonizing bulk-sub with PFcake [Re: fltdriver82]
    #9676304 - 01/25/09 01:01 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yes. With the PF cakes I would suggest something that doesn't easily contaminate, such as coir, but not poo and straw. Maybe 50/50 coir and straw, because then you can use more bulk substrate than with coir alone. With straight coir, you can go about 1:3 spawn to bulk substrate ratio. Using some straw in the mix, you can use more, like 1:5 or 1:6 maybe. Also, throw a bit of verm in for the minerals and as a water reservoir. Spent coffee grounds are also good if you got some, but use them moderately, because they'll lower the pH value. You can buffer that with lime.


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Re: Colonizing bulk-sub with PFcake [Re: German Kahuna]
    #9676355 - 01/25/09 01:09 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I'd go with whatever bulk substrate you have easy access too.  Manure, Corn Cob, Coco Coir, Straw(not hay) etc.

And better yet, get all the stuff you can easily get and mix it together. 

Crumble up the cakes as much as you can, I rub them between my hands and then break up any big chunks and mix it very well into your bulk sub.


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Re: Colonizing bulk-sub with PFcake [Re: German Kahuna]
    #9676368 - 01/25/09 01:11 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Good Luck man!

Hope it goes better than mine.


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Re: Colonizing bulk-sub with PFcake *DELETED* [Re: German Kahuna]
    #9676502 - 01/25/09 01:30 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Colonizing bulk-sub with PFcake [Re: fltdriver82]
    #9676528 - 01/25/09 01:34 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm more concerned about the massive amounts of shrooms that i'm going to flood my little town with.




Ooo, bad move kid. Keep the fruits of your grows for personal use & friends only. Otherwise you're in for trouble.


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Re: Colonizing bulk-sub with PFcake [Re: dead]
    #9676583 - 01/25/09 01:43 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

By little town- I mean LITTLE.
No cops, not a single one.
Population ~300 humans
We have one retirement community, a gas station, and 6 streets(not counting the old highway that runs through town.
It's almost like a hippy "CO-Op".
Three of our residents openly grow marijuana in their front yard.
I really don't think that I have very much to worry about.


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Re: Colonizing bulk-sub with PFcake [Re: fltdriver82]
    #9676593 - 01/25/09 01:44 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, alright, but that doesn't mean that this board here isn't read by the :cop:



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Re: Colonizing bulk-sub with PFcake [Re: German Kahuna]
    #9676624 - 01/25/09 01:48 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Yes, alright, but that doesn't mean that this board here isn't read by the :cop:





That is funny,but I agree.
Edit..wheres the pic I quoted..put that back up


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Re: Colonizing bulk-sub with PFcake [Re: fltdriver82]
    #9676680 - 01/25/09 01:58 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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fltdriver82 said:
What about using the same brf/verm mixture that i will use to start the cakes in the first place-just to cut down on extra supplies laying around?

I don't really care about time-I'm more concerned about the massive amounts of shrooms that i'm going to flood my little town with
.
I'm doing this without my GF knowing and want to have as little as possible to explain- as of now she thinks the verm and brf are for the meal worms and crickets i have been breeding for my growing population of reptiles and their offspring, and the perlite is for my garden.




That is not a very smart thing to do, not only is it not smart, it makes you sound like your dealing and thats a very quick ticket to being banned.

I was about to give you some adice, but now that advice stops


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Re: Colonizing bulk-sub with PFcake [Re: German Kahuna]
    #9676716 - 01/25/09 02:04 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I am not planning on starting a business or anything, just want to provide a steady supply to meet the demand. My neighbors and I don't have easy access to mainstream traffic and we must help each other out. This is going to be my contribution to the community.


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Re: Colonizing bulk-sub with PFcake [Re: fltdriver82]
    #9676722 - 01/25/09 02:05 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I am not planning on starting a business or anything, just want to provide a steady supply to meet the demand. My neighbors and I don't have easy access to mainstream traffic and we must help each other out. This is going to be my contribution to the community.



So you are going to deal?:rolleyes:


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Re: Colonizing bulk-sub with PFcake [Re: fltdriver82]
    #9676730 - 01/25/09 02:06 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Like I said my community is like a co-op, each member brings to the table what he can and everybody helps in anyway possible.


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Re: Colonizing bulk-sub with PFcake [Re: fltdriver82]
    #9676739 - 01/25/09 02:08 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Not sell, trade.


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Re: Colonizing bulk-sub with PFcake [Re: fltdriver82]
    #9676747 - 01/25/09 02:09 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I am not planning on starting a business or anything, just want to provide a steady supply to meet the demand. My neighbors and I don't have easy access to mainstream traffic and we must help each other out. This is going to be my contribution to the community.




I'm going to state something in black and white here:

Discussion of dealing/distribution not only puts your ass on the line, but can also get this community in a great deal of trouble. Don't talk about it here. Don't rationalize it here, either.

Anyway, to answer a few of your questions..

You could probably get away with knocking up 12 cakes with one spore syringe, if you use 1cc of solution per cake or so and only using one inoculation point. Since you're new to cultivating, this wouldn't be a good idea, so I'd suggest sticking to somewhere between 6-8.

Also, you don't really need micropore tape with PF cakes, if you're using a vermiculite barrier. If you're anal about it, masking tape works just as fine as a dust cover, but will need to be removed later on to permit gas exchange.

Edited by Brennus (01/25/09 02:12 PM)

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Re: Colonizing bulk-sub with PFcake [Re: fltdriver82]
    #9676823 - 01/25/09 02:25 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't really care about time-I'm more concerned about the massive amounts of shrooms that i'm going to flood my little town with.





1.) Someone is gonna get b& quick.
2.) Flooding the town via BRF cakes???  :rofl2:


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Re: Colonizing bulk-sub with PFcake [Re: Brennus]
    #9676828 - 01/25/09 02:26 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

If you want to get serious about growing, you really want to look into liquid cultures.

You'll need a jar of some sort.  Tall ones are best but any will work.
Poke 2 holes in the jar on opposite sides of the lid.  Cover on with tyvek, micropore tape or stuff with a thick wad of polyfill. All 3 will work.

The other hole, cover both sides with about a dime sized glob of silicone rubber.  You can also use the silicone to permanently secure your tyvek or micropore if you go that route.

The best/cheapest/easiest method I've found is to get packets of sugar in the raw - you can find this in most grocery stores in the sugar section and alot of convenience stores/coffee shops (starbucks etc.) will have them for free.

Bring a pot of water to boil, put 1 packet of sugar per cup.  Boil and stir till it's dissolved, then load it into your jar - fill it up about halfway. 

Then pressure cook it, or put it in a pot of water - bring the water in the pot about halfway up the side of the jar and boil for 30 minutes.

If you pressure cook it, do 5 mins @15 psi. 

Once it's done, let it cool overnight or all day then inject about 1/2 cc of spore solution.  In about 10-14 days you'll have a large blob of mycelium in there, you can draw that back out and use to inoculate an endless supply of jars.  If you start to run low or think you'll need more, just make more then 1 jar or start a second one ahead of time.

It's pretty simple stuff and easy to do.


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Re: Colonizing bulk-sub with PFcake [Re: Brennus]
    #9676869 - 01/25/09 02:36 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

fltdriver82 said:
I am not planning on starting a business or anything, just want to provide a steady supply to meet the demand. My neighbors and I don't have easy access to mainstream traffic and we must help each other out. This is going to be my contribution to the community.




I'm going to state something in black and white here:

Discussion of dealing/distribution not only puts your ass on the line, but can also get this community in a great deal of trouble. Don't talk about it here. Don't rationalize it here, either.

Anyway, to answer a few of your questions..

You could probably get away with knocking up 12 cakes with one spore syringe, if you use 1cc of solution per cake or so and only using one inoculation point. Since you're new to cultivating, this wouldn't be a good idea, so I'd suggest sticking to somewhere between 6-8.

Also, you don't really need micropore tape with PF cakes, if you're using a vermiculite barrier. If you're anal about it, masking tape works just as fine as a dust cover, but will need to be removed later on to permit gas exchange.




You only need 4 inoculation holes. Using 1 is a terrible idea, which will make colinisatin take much longer. You can use 1 in grain, since after 30% you can shake to distrube the mycelium throughout the jar. But you cant in pf jars, which would destroy your contamination barrier.

Dont use any more than 4 holes in your lids. The holes are not only for inoculating but for gas exchange. The more holes you have in the lid, the more exchange. 4 holes is plenty gas exchange, add more and you could risk drying out your substrate, and also it can cause the mycelium to consume more of the substrate during colinisation.

A 10cc syringe can inoculate 10 jars. 1cc per jar works fine. I have always used 1cc per jar. Just be sure to give  your syringe a good shake to spread the spores throughout the solution. I have had on occasions 1 or 2 injectin sites not grow though. The jars still colinised.

The micropore tape, or masking tape over the holes is there to stop moisture getting into the jars during sterilisatin.


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