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13shrooms
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?s on spawning cakes to subs. help! please. :-\

#9671662 - 01/24/09 03:33 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

OK, the cakes are almost ready to go. one more week and he has to spawn/birth. :thumbup:

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(check my journal 4 more details.)

One thing I need to know and I keep confusing myself with it. He doesnt have any hpoo to spawn to and I read about spawning BRF cakes to coir/verm/coffee/gypsum. Hes going to spawn/birth in a monotub/shotgunFC.

Is this successful/right? or what ratios do u recommend?

This is only temporary untill hpoo is acquired then he will use 45/45/10% hpoo/verm/gypsum mix. or ist is hpoo/straw 50/50 mix? Hence my confusion. Help!

I know their are a couple of questions here but any info on any of the above would be much obliged.:)

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#9671688 - 01/24/09 03:39 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

50/50 straw manure is a good ratio when you get it.In the meantime coir and coffee will do you just fine,I for one never add verm to it and never really measure the coffee grounds either,just id say around as much grounds as you would use for 2 pots of coffee to every half brick of coir and add your spawn to this.I used to use 3-4 qts of spawn grain in 16 qt sweater boxes and this would give me the 3 and a half to 4 inch depth I wanted.The coir to coffee ratio does not have to be exact at all.I have grown without coffee at all nd I have heard it can go the other way around and you can grow on just coffee although I myself have no experience with this so I could be mistaken on this one

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#9671801 - 01/24/09 04:06 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i normally keep it to a 1:2 or 1:3 for faster colonization times.
coir with or without coffee grounds work fine.

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#9671927 - 01/24/09 04:30 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Coir 80%
Coffee 75%
Gypsum 5%

Fully hydrate and pastuerize.

This isn't the tek I use, but I'm sure it works: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9026963#9026963

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#9672001 - 01/24/09 04:48 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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neopet nub said:
Coir 80%
Coffee 75%
Gypsum 5%

Fully hydrate and pastuerize.

This isn't the tek I use, but I'm sure it works: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9026963#9026963

??? the math isnt quite right on this.. 160%? is coffee 15% not 75?

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#9672062 - 01/24/09 05:00 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i would say use gypsum if yer working with grains/seeds.

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#9672431 - 01/24/09 06:11 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

or should we just be good lil noobs and fruit the cakes in a shotgun FC w/perlite?

I know this works but fruits are typically smaller and not as many. :thumbdown:

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I like that tek neopet thanx. but....

Im horible at math. using that coir tek how many 1/2 pint cakes is that to one of those buckets? my answer was 4 but didnt seem right per volume of sub. but what do i know?

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#9672488 - 01/24/09 06:20 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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13shrooms said:
or should we just be good lil noobs and fruit the cakes in a shotgun FC w/perlite?

no way! at least crumble and case them and then put 'em in your shotgun fc. this helped my cake output immensely.

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#9672569 - 01/24/09 06:40 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Don't crumble & case. All it does is wastes nutrients as the mycelium has to repair itself after crumbling.

Shroomsnake, if your cakes only do good with crumble & case then the problem is very probably in your fruiting conditions, specifically, not enough humidity. The casing layer provided the mycelium with humidity, and this is why you perceived a better productivity.

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#9673504 - 01/24/09 09:33 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

13shrooms said:
Quote:

neopet nub said:
Coir 80%
Coffee 15%
Gypsum 5%

Fully hydrate and pastuerize.

This isn't the tek I use, but I'm sure it works: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9026963#9026963

??? the math isnt quite right on this.. 160%? is coffee 15% not 75?

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#9674199 - 01/25/09 12:54 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

so do or dont? with or without? what to use and not to use? its still mixed answers.

I understand to each his own but with the info i've given what do the fellow shroomerites think our best bet would be for this situation?

thanx, :scaryshroom:

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#9674216 - 01/25/09 12:59 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Easier to do shotgun FC with cakes.

You CAN get more fruits with crumble/spawn to bulk. Use 30% coffee and 70% coir, add gypsum, worm casings, etc if you like. Spawn 1:3 ratio so for every qt of cake, make 3 qt of bulk substrate.

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#9674434 - 01/25/09 02:33 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Shroominit said:
Easier to do shotgun FC with cakes.

You CAN get more fruits with crumble/spawn to bulk. Use 30% coffee and 70% coir, add gypsum, worm casings, etc if you like. Spawn 1:3 ratio so for every qt of cake, make 3 qt of bulk substrate.

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thank you for a clear response/answer. :thumbup:

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#9675203 - 01/25/09 10:04 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

shotgun FC is very easy! :thumbup:

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A good spawn ratio is between 1:1 and 1:4, even though I have done 1:8 and been okay before.

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#9675379 - 01/25/09 10:30 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

neopet nub said:
Quote:

13shrooms said:
Quote:

neopet nub said:
Coir 80%
Coffee 15%
Gypsum 5%

Fully hydrate and pastuerize.

This isn't the tek I use, but I'm sure it works: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9026963#9026963

??? the math isnt quite right on this.. 160%? is coffee 15% not 75?

Whats not to understand 160% is the new super substrate of the future :lol:

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#9675438 - 01/25/09 10:41 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Listen. There is no 'best' substrate mix. Cubes grow well on straw, manure, coir, spent coffee grinds, verm, compost, etc., or any combination in any way you choose to mix the above. Any of them will work solo, but a combination of substrate ingredients will tend to perform better, just as your own body will perform better on a varied and balanced diet. Gypsum adds calcium and sulfur, which are both essential elements in mushroom fruitbody formation that may be lacking in some substrate materials, so it's a good idea to use gypsum at 5% or so of total substrate volume.

Spawn with your fully colonized cakes or grains at a ratio of anywhere from even, to one to four, with higher spawn ratios resulting in a more nutritious total substrate and somewhat faster colonization.
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#9675648 - 01/25/09 11:13 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I for one always rather throw in an extra quart of spawn to increase colonization times :thumbup:

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#9675732 - 01/25/09 11:26 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Listen. There is no 'best' substrate mix. Cubes grow well on straw, manure, coir, spent coffee grinds, verm, compost, etc., or any combination in any way you choose to mix the above. Any of them will work solo, but a combination of substrate ingredients will tend to perform better, just as your own body will perform better on a varied and balanced diet. Gypsum adds calcium and sulfur, which are both essential elements in mushroom fruitbody formation that may be lacking in some substrate materials, so it's a good idea to use gypsum at 5% or so of total substrate volume.

Spawn with your fully colonized cakes or grains at a ratio of anywhere from even, to one to four, with higher spawn ratios resulting in a more nutritious total substrate and somewhat faster colonization.
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I know there is no "best" sub. I was asking for my "situation" and w/what I have available what the best would be. trust me Ive read and read and read somemore. I was just trying to get some clarity.

and to others read the whole post b4 throwing in your 2 cents. all info is in the OP. you just confuse the issue.

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#9675893 - 01/25/09 11:51 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Blutjager said:
I for one always rather throw in an extra quart of spawn to increase colonization times

and...

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RogerRabbit said:
a more nutritious total substrate
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13shrooms, im not positive on this, and ill edit it if i need to change it, but i think 4 1/2 pint cakes make up one quart...

so always figure if you have 4 1/2 pint cakes and you spawn to a quart of pasteurized sub, you have an even ratio...

maybe you understand this enough already and im preachin to the choir...

then again sometimes the choir needs to be called on their complacency...thats another story

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#9675919 - 01/25/09 11:55 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Speaking of OP, those jars look bad. Post a larger picture.
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