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Re: Israel vs. Iraq Biased, but interesting [Re: GazzBut]
    #1012794 - 11/01/02 09:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Don't worry Gazz,  inny will be here all weekend, making saucy comments about how nasty I am and how all his right-wing buddies are like really cool  :grin:

He's a silly sausage  :laugh:


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Re: Israel vs. Iraq Biased, but interesting [Re: GazzBut]
    #1012936 - 11/01/02 10:37 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

****Im at work and havent got time to trawl thru your posts ****

TRANSLATION: EH? :grin:


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Re: Israel vs. Iraq Biased, but interesting [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1016722 - 11/02/02 08:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Wow, this has really taken off. Sharon surrounded the town where the massacre occured, and let the massacre occur. He has been indicted by the Belgians for war crimes. THey gave it up this year because he is untouchable. Invertigo, your comments toward people of differing opinions make me sick, especially your BOMB comment and the inbred comment. Stop watching and believing what you see on Fox News. What would it take for you to strap bombs to yourself and kill people? THink about that and the way Palestinians have been treated by Israel, the US, and the ArAB world. NObody gives a shit abou tthem. THey have no citizenship for any country. They are refugees in their own land, and their only strong leader only makes things worse. Try and see it from their perspective instead of you perspective coming from a comfy living room watching Bill O'Reilly on Fox news. Just realize that they are human too.


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Re: Israel vs. Iraq Biased, but interesting [Re: Buddha5254]
    #1017254 - 11/02/02 11:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Try and see it from their perspective instead of you perspective coming from a comfy living room watching Bill O'Reilly on Fox news

Good post Buddha, but I think inny's mind was closed long ago. Seems to be something about these extreme right-wingers that precludes an open mind. You have to realise that the truth is a threat to these people. Then you can understand why they get so cheeky.


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Re: Israel vs. Iraq Biased, but interesting [Re: Buddha5254]
    #1018082 - 11/03/02 10:01 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

****Invertigo, your comments toward people of differing opinions make me sick, especially your BOMB comment and the inbred comment.****

i really don't care about whether or not your feelings are hurt. If you don't like my comments, don't read them (worse has been said to me and i let it roll of my back)

****Stop watching and believing what you see on Fox News.*****

the famous ignorant libbie response "if you don't believe what i'm talking about, you must be watching CNN or FOX"...oh dear you've got me in a tissy.....try to have a REAL opinion before relying on the typical answers to why people don't agree with you.

****What would it take for you to strap bombs to yourself and kill people?*****

I wouldn't because i'm not a coward...(great logic there brain-child)

****THink about that and the way Palestinians have been treated by Israel, the US, and the ArAB world*****

so you justify the HOMOCIDE bombings then....wow, you're making me feel better about my bomb comment...

****NObody gives a shit abou tthem*****

gee i wonder why?...could it be all the bombings of innocent people?

****THey have no citizenship for any country.****

so why is this isreals fault and not the arabs who agree with them? Maybe the countries that invaded isreal shouldn't do that next time?

****They are refugees in their own land, and their only strong leader only makes things worse.****

by bombing people right?

****Try and see it from their perspective instead of you perspective coming from a comfy living room watching Bill O'Reilly on Fox news.*****

my perspective shows the HOMOCIDE bombings...

****Just realize that they are human too.****

I do...so are isreali's...as much as you probably diagree..






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Re: Israel vs. Iraq Biased, but interesting [Re: Buddha5254]
    #1020061 - 11/04/02 03:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Good points Buddha. It amazes me how the palestinians problems are so under publicisied, UK media is supposedly alot more evenhanded in reporting the conflict as opposed to the american media. If that is the case, i dread to think what sort of progagamda invert is soaking up on a daily basis.


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Re: Israel vs. Iraq Biased, but interesting [Re: GazzBut]
    #1020107 - 11/04/02 04:24 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

****Good points Buddha.****

where? point me to them?

****UK media is supposedly alot more evenhanded in reporting ****

ha ha..now that's comedy

****i dread to think what sort of progagamda invert is soaking up on a daily basis. ****

it's called common sense....something you libbies abhor.


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Re: Israel vs. Iraq Biased, but interesting [Re: GazzBut]
    #1020568 - 11/04/02 09:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i dread to think what sort of progagamda invert is soaking up on a daily basis.

It doesn't even bear thinking about. Poor inny.


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Re: Israel vs. Iraq Biased, but interesting [Re: Xlea321]
    #1021675 - 11/04/02 04:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Invert try to open your mind just one little bit. How would you feel if people from another place took your state the fuck over, and shoved all you and your family and "people" out to shitty land. What if they seized your home, assets and kicked you the fuck out of Kansas or wherever the fuck you live. Wouldnt you be slightly pissed. Think about how fucked up a situation must be if all you have left to sacrifice is your life-and you feel good about doing it. I dont think it is right to strap bombs to yourself and blow the shit out of innocent people, but it does tell you something about the environment and situation you come from. The Palestinians had their land taken over by people who just suffered from one of the most horrible genocides yet. They were forced out of their land, and abandoned by their neighbors, with the exception of Jordan, and the good old USA. NOt every Palestinian is a rock tossing terrorist. Try to understand that they are human beings that are refugees in theri own land. This is the same thing that Americans did to the INdians. Invert, the more you post on this thread the more you look like a bigoted asshole who assumes everyone else is a close-minded "libbie". I dont classify myself as a "libbie" I detest the republicans and I think democrats have no balls. I just care about people and human rights, which you obviously dont. Lets jsut drop this because you wil not win.


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Re: Israel vs. Iraq Biased, but interesting [Re: Buddha5254]
    #1022210 - 11/04/02 07:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

****Invert try to open your mind just one little bit.****

translation: "if you don't agree with me then you're closed minded."

****How would you feel if people from another place took your state the fuck over, and shoved all you and your family and "people" out to shitty land.****

I don't live in a world of what-ifs......you need to ask yourself why the arab countries invaded isreal. When you find that out get back to me, because you libbies seem to skip that part.

****Think about how fucked up a situation must be if all you have left to sacrifice is your life-and you feel good about doing it.****

does not justify the killing of innocent people....

****but it does tell you something about the environment and situation you come from****

you know, all they have to do is make a minute effort and stop the HOMOCIDE bombings and get to the peace table. Isreal agreed to relinquish some of the land (a large portion i might add) and the arabs said no friggin way....

****NOt every Palestinian is a rock tossing terrorist****

I agree, it's too bad the ones that are, are ruining any chance of peace.

****Invert, the more you post on this thread the more you look like a bigoted asshole *****

a couple people calling me a bigotted asshole doesn't bother me. I live in the real world where actions have consequensec and things are what they are. When people such as myself oppose you libbies we are branded nazi's, racists, homophobes, bigots and hate mongers. I believe Pinksharkmark or evolving brought this up..it does nothing but roll of my back. You need to look as to the reasons the palastinians are in this state. Why did the arabs invade Isreal? Just answer that....they did it because they HATE the jewish people for being just that...jews.

****who assumes everyone else is a close-minded "libbie". *****

most libbies are...sorry.

****I dont classify myself as a "libbie" *****

I would classify you as a far-left libbie with socialism tendancies...no offense

****I detest the republicans and I think democrats have no balls.****

As do I, that's why i'm neither....

****I just care about people and human rights, which you obviously dont.****

Your thinking with your feelings and not with your head. You make decisions based on 100% feelings while clouding your mind. I deal with facts. I think a situation through, you feel it. While it sounds nice to say you FEEL things about certain situations, especially in a world full of feminised men, it doesn't rationally solve anything. I care about people greatly, i'd say more than most, however i don't give out free handouts and turn a blind eye when there are facts involved....libbies never let facts get in their way.

****Lets jsut drop this because you wil not win. *****

Win? Is this what you're trying to do? I didn't know this was a game.......you've already lost


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Re: Israel vs. Iraq Biased, but interesting [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1022740 - 11/04/02 10:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

OH god, i really want to go point by point and debate but neither one of us will ever be satisfied, nor convince the other that they are right, and I just typed a big paper. We should debate another subject so it will be more fun for both of us. Your turn!


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Re: Israel vs. Iraq Biased, but interesting [Re: Buddha5254]
    #1023380 - 11/05/02 05:17 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

****Your turn! ****

what do you mean MY turn?


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Re: Israel vs. Iraq Biased, but interesting [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1023382 - 11/05/02 05:20 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I think the thing with you is - its all black and white. You seem to think if anyone shows the least bit of sympathy towards the palestinians then they must also agree with all arab beliefs. It is ludicrous really. But you are a good citizen from a programming point of view.

By the way, I know the arabs hate the jews. Im not supporting that standpoint. But the thing is the Israelis have not done much in the last thirty years to try and change that. Also, I think you will find that there is a large portion of the israeli right wing (who are getting more nazi like in their utterings) Who hold exactly the same feelings towards the arabs. (lets not get into a who hated who first, or who hates who the most debate here) You also mention the israelis "generous" offer of returning some of the land which they illegally took. What perecentage exactly did they offer to return of the land they had stolen illegally? How can returning what is not yours be considered generous? remember, international law agrees that it is not theirs. Also, if they are so keen to make peace and return some land and recognise the palestinian state, Why do they continue to expand their settlements? Why has Sharon earmarked 150million in the budget specifically for the settlers, when other elements of the israeli government would rather see this being spent on projects in Israel?

All this crap about liberals = feelings and how you deal in facts! hilarious.

"I don't live in a world of what-ifs......you need to ask yourself why the arab countries invaded isreal. When you find that out get back to me, because you libbies seem to skip that part." - So this is a fact huh? prove it.

"most libbies are...sorry." - prove it.

"you know, all they have to do is make a minute effort and stop the HOMOCIDE bombings and get to the peace table. Isreal agreed to relinquish some of the land (a large portion i might add) and the arabs said no friggin way...." - This isnt close to fact, it is opinion. It is a feeling.

Are you on school holidays at the moment?


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Re: Israel vs. Iraq Biased, but interesting [Re: Buddha5254]
    #1023391 - 11/05/02 05:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Thats exactly how I felt last week!


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    #1023415 - 11/05/02 05:45 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

****I think the thing with you is - its all black and white. ****

only when there are facts involved

****the Israelis have not done much in the last thirty years to try and change that****

that's debatable

***lets not get into a who hated who first, or who hates who the most debate here***

who invaded who then?  Go ahead, you can say it. :smirk:

****You also mention the israelis "generous" offer of returning some of the land which they illegally took*****

it's called spoils of war...you invade and lose, well you lose something.  In this case land. Nothing Ilegal.

****Why do they continue to expand their settlements? ***

because it's their land i suppose...

****All this crap about liberals = feelings and how you deal in facts! hilarious.****

I call it like i see it...

****So this is a fact huh? prove it.****

wow, you missed the whole point, not surprising...the fact is you people skip that portion.

****"most libbies are...sorry." - prove it.****

you must not have anything if this is the only thing you've got....a debate of what if's and selective logic is the libby way..

****Are you on school holidays at the moment? ****

is that a joke?


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Re: Israel vs. Iraq Biased, but interesting [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1023432 - 11/05/02 06:01 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Talking to you is pointless - Below is your post, minus my comments. There are no facts, only unsubstantiated opinions, and utter rubbish i.e "nothing illegal".
If i have missed a point please explain it to me again. I am more then willing to hear it. Please dont refer me to your earlier posts, explain whatever it is I have missed in a different way so i may understand it.

Your post:

only when there are facts involved
that's debatable
who invaded who then? Go ahead, you can say it.
it's called spoils of war...you invade and lose, well you lose something. In this case land. Nothing Ilegal
because it's their land i suppose...
I call it like i see it...
wow, you missed the whole point, not surprising...the fact is you people skip that portion.
you must not have anything if this is the only thing you've got....a debate of what if's and selective logic is the libby way..
is that a joke?

Sounds quite childlike in places. Thats why I asked if you were on school holidays,



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    #1023454 - 11/05/02 06:27 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

****Talking to you is pointless *****
opinion

****There are no facts,****

then you have brought up why they were first invaded? hmmm must have missed that one (feel free to answer that because it is a FACT that you haven't to date discussed it.

****only unsubstantiated opinions, and utter rubbish i.e "nothing illegal".****

because i don't agree with you? Closed minded libby

******If i have missed a point please explain it to me again. ******

just answer the questions i've asked. I've went point to point on just about every single line from you and the other libbie and you've yet to metion anything other than my character...feel free to answer a question from time to time.

****I am more then willing to hear it. ****

no you're not, the only thing you want to hear is that i agree with you....and i think you'r nothing more then a product of collective thought............

****Please dont refer me to your earlier posts,*****

you mean the ones you've ignored before?

****explain whatever it is I have missed in a different way so i may understand it.*****

ok, Who invaded who and why did they do it?..i'm not expecting a real answer here's my prediction " You bigot it's Isreals fault because they are stronger and the palastinians are just poor defensless people"....surprise me.


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Re: Israel vs. Iraq Biased, but interesting [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1023540 - 11/05/02 07:27 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I presume you are talking about 1948. Lets hear what an Israeli has to say about it

"Violence in the Holy Land broke out almost immediately after the UN announced partition on November 29, 1947. Jamal Husseini, the Arab Higher Committee's spokesman, had told the UN prior to the partition vote the Arabs would drench "the soil of our beloved country with the last drop of our blood . . . ." ((Sound familiar does it?))

The reason being? The arabs did not agree with the partition. This had previously been their land. It was only in the 1880s that jewish IMMIGRANTS started arriving. Then obviously they began to flood in during and after the second world war. By 1949 though, Israel had already extended the area proposed for them by the UN. Meaning, they were happy to follow UN dictates when it suited them but within 18 months they were already show scant disregard for the UN. Something they have continued to do ever since. Ok, So you like to take it back to the arabs invading the israelis to justify all that follows? You convieniently forget anything prior to that. How convienient, just like you Faschies isnt it?

You keep bleating on about me not answering your questions. I have read back thru the last couple of pages and the questions from you I have found are as follows.

"Gee I wonder why?"
"By bombing people?"
Then a couple of questions about multinational companies. You asked me for examples of comapanies I hate, I dont hate any. I just disagree with their motivations and the way the take advantage of the communities they exist in.
Any more questions you have, please just ask.

"no you're not, the only thing you want to hear is that i agree with you....and i think you'r nothing more then a product of collective thought............" - Id rather be a product of collective thought than a product of a single feverish ego.

Another thing. It is all very well you picking apart posts point by point but you never actually string a few paragraphs of what you believe together in order for us to do the same to you. Funny that, just like you faschies isnt it?



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Re: Israel vs. Iraq Biased, but interesting [Re: GazzBut]
    #1023548 - 11/05/02 07:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

****Id rather be a product of collective thought than a product of a single feverish ego.*****

then you agree to being socialist?

so?cial?ism Pronunciation Key (ssh-lzm)
n.
1Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
2The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.

is this close? My ego hovers around individual rights..i wish you could think the same

****Funny that, just like you faschies isnt it?****

Fachies? ha ha you're stretching now..ha


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Re: Israel vs. Iraq Biased, but interesting [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1023554 - 11/05/02 07:40 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Im not talking to you anymore.


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