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Pint jars stalling... fruit them early or what?
    #9668630 - 01/23/09 11:03 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Hey guys i really need some help here from someone with experience...
I started some pint sized brf and verm jars 6 weeks ago (i know now that this was a mistake, and half pints usually work better).  The two leading jars are about 75-80% colonized and two others are at about 60-70%.  Until a few days ago, growth was very noticeable and i suppose it still is to some small extent... but the jars have really seemed to stall in the last 3-4 days and im getting worried.  Should I pull them out, cut to the solid mycelium, and try to fruit them?  Or is there some way to salvage them by casing?  Maybe place the mycelium inside another brf half pint jar and see if it grows (very sterile technique of course).
Thanks for your help I really appreciate it!

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Re: Pint jars stalling... fruit them early or what? [Re: shroomyday]
    #9668653 - 01/23/09 11:08 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

just be patient, I personally think its just because the weight is on top of the bottom part (if thats where yours is stalling) and its more compact. you could try flipping them? I gave mine a tap too.

but its the anticipation killing you, just think the inside is colonizing better and you cant see it!


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Re: Pint jars stalling... fruit them early or what? [Re: rollinhard]
    #9668786 - 01/23/09 11:29 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i had same problem i opened lids tiny bit to allow for some FAE there moving guick once again


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Re: Pint jars stalling... fruit them early or what? [Re: schutzemdown]
    #9669874 - 01/24/09 07:54 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Mine usually stall like at the very, very bottom of the jar. just the last 1/8 in. or so. I started putting just a little dry verm on the bottom of the jars. Also an eighth inch or so.If you do your brf in a myco bag(without the verm contam filter of course) you can break it up when its about 80% or so.;)

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Re: Pint jars stalling... fruit them early or what? [Re: steelcitysteve1]
    #9670024 - 01/24/09 08:55 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

This is why 1/2 pints wide mouth jars are recomended.

They not only stall because the substrate tends to compress, but also gas exchange issues.

You can try turning your jar upside down and give it a little dunt to get the substrate away from the bottom of the jar, it sometimes helps.


If it has out right stalled, you can cut the uncolinised portion of with a clean knife then dunk and fruit.


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Re: Pint jars stalling... fruit them early or what? [Re: veda_sticks]
    #9670351 - 01/24/09 10:36 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I had the same problem with a couple pint size brf cakes I made.  All those little bastards stalled out around 80-90%.

I finally took them out and cut out the uncolonized portions with a knife.

One thing I noticed is the cakes are very compacted.  I had to use a good knife to slice them up where normally I can use my fingers to just pull off the offending pieces.

I spawned one of them to a quart of hpoo and it's fruiting now :-D


If you want to continue doing pint sized pf cakes, check out the link in my sig.  They do fine in plastic because you can shake them up like grain jars.



Notice the cake on the top-left.  That's about 1.25 pints or so worth of cake. I did it in a quart-sized ziploc container.  Took about 9 days to colonize fully after inoculating with LC.  Could be a bit quicker too, this clone I'm working with is not an aggressive colonizer, it takes it's sweet sweet time :-D


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Re: Pint jars stalling... fruit them early or what? [Re: veda_sticks]
    #9670366 - 01/24/09 10:38 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Hey guys i really need some help here from someone with experience...




Those with experience have been saying for years to use 1/2 pints.  It was your choice to use the wrong jars.  You can't drive a car down the street with only two wheels.

Substrate in pint jars tends to compress and the air can't reach the bottom.  Once the mycelium runs out of air to breathe, it dies.  Cut off the uncolonized parts and hope for the best.  Next time, follow the instructions.
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Re: Pint jars stalling... fruit them early or what? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9670598 - 01/24/09 11:39 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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I actually know some one that did this.

Also I did pint jars once with GT and it took 2 1/2 months for them to get 100%. And they Still made shrooms. Just something to say "what if", but I am with RR, The PF Tek is 1/2 pint only for best results in a proper time.

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Re: Pint jars stalling... fruit them early or what? [Re: mister]
    #9670638 - 01/24/09 11:51 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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You can't drive a car down the street with only two wheels.





I actually know some one that did this.

Also I did pint jars once with GT and it took 2 1/2 months for them to get 100%. And they Still made shrooms. Just something to say "what if", but I am with RR, The PF Tek is 1/2 pint only for best results in a proper time.




That's assuming you're using glass! :-D


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Re: Pint jars stalling... fruit them early or what? [Re: Spongiform]
    #9678572 - 01/25/09 06:55 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Ok I took the lids off for a second then put them back on and flipped the jars over. Hope this works.


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Re: Pint jars stalling... fruit them early or what? [Re: shroomyday]
    #9694460 - 01/28/09 02:29 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Nothing has changed so I have moved to the fruiting stage. All looks fine so far.

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Re: Pint jars stalling... fruit them early or what? [Re: shroomyday]
    #9694520 - 01/28/09 02:40 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Ok I took the lids off for a second then put them back on and flipped the jars over. Hope this works.




No that will not work, that was very bad advice you followed. Exposing any PF tek jar to open air will and normally does cause contamination. You should have just listened to RR and not been hard headed. Better luck next time.


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Re: Pint jars stalling... fruit them early or what? [Re: MushHunter08]
    #9694751 - 01/28/09 03:13 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Ok I took the lids off for a second then put them back on and flipped the jars over. Hope this works.




No that will not work, that was very bad advice you followed. Exposing any PF tek jar to open air will and normally does cause contamination. You should have just listened to RR and not been hard headed. Better luck next time.





I Read that exposing the verm Filter is fine as long as its not disturbed(To smell for contams)or joggled around to where top verm displaces and gets Further through the filter(Closer to your substrate).


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Re: Pint jars stalling... fruit them early or what? [Re: shroomyday]
    #9694779 - 01/28/09 03:18 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Ok I took the lids off for a second then put them back on and flipped the jars over. Hope this works.




Never flip pf tek jars over, all the contaminants trapped by the verm layer can then get to your substrate.  And enough CO2 doesnt pool in something the size of a pint jar so flipping your jars is just silly anyway.


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Re: Pint jars stalling... fruit them early or what? [Re: johnny.fairplay]
    #9694807 - 01/28/09 03:22 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I flipped my jars b/c the bottoms were not colonizing.  Once flipped, the bottom colonized w/ no contams.  I could have just been lucky...

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Re: Pint jars stalling... fruit them early or what? [Re: puma119]
    #9694982 - 01/28/09 03:47 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the negativity up there I really appreciate it. Anyway, where can I get hpoo? I'm going to spawn thejars to that.

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Re: Pint jars stalling... fruit them early or what? [Re: shroomyday]
    #9695003 - 01/28/09 03:51 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Oh and if your gonna be a straight up dick with lines like you shouldnt be so hardheaded better luck next time, please just don't even respond. I'm trying my hardest to make this work give me a break.

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Re: Pint jars stalling... fruit them early or what? [Re: shroomyday]
    #9695687 - 01/28/09 05:36 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

You might get something, he's not being a dick.  Don't even bother spawning to horse poo some tiny contamination you can't even see is gonna be your downfall.  If you've already taken them out of there jars just brush off uncolonized areas, give em a dunk and expose them to fruiting conditions and hope for the best, which may even be enough for one trip and plan better for next time.


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Re: Pint jars stalling... fruit them early or what? [Re: johnny.fairplay]
    #9695728 - 01/28/09 05:41 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Hey don't get too down, I had the exact same problem.  A pint jar stalled out around 80%.  I cut off the uncolonized portions and crumbled up the rest and spawned it to about a quart of pasteurized horse poo.

Once it was fully colonized I put it into a ghetto fruiting chamber.  Upside-down tub with a few paper towels laid down underneath it and 3 air holes, one of which I used to mist inside the tub w/o opening.



About 20 grams dry off the first flush.

I could have added up to twice as much bulk sub and/or a more complex sub and got an even better harvest but I was experimenting with pasteurizing hpoo in a dehydrator so I didn't want to add more variables.

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Re: Pint jars stalling... fruit them early or what? [Re: johnny.fairplay]
    #9695961 - 01/28/09 06:17 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

the myc that has fully colonized looks good and uncontammed... why shouldnt i spawn it to poo?

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