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No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money
    #9664168 - 01/23/09 09:29 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Wasn’t this supposed the era of post-racialism? Robert Reich apparently didn’t get that message. In his appearance before Congress on structuring the stimulus plan on January 7th, Reich suggested that the package discriminate against white male workers:


Barack Obamas Economic Adviser Robert Reich....





"I am concerned, as I’m sure many of you are, that these jobs not simply go to high-skilled people who are already professionals or to white male construction workers.  … I have nothing against white male construction workers.  I’m just saying that there are a lot of other people who have needs as well. … Criteria can be set so that the money does go to others, the long term unemployed minorities, women, people who are not necessarily construction workers or high-skilled professionals."



Basically, Reich wants Congress to create some means testing that doesn’t explicitly keep stimulus funds from paying the salaries of white males.  He suggests that the lawmakers create “criteria” that will have that effect in practice without being crass enough to say, No Whites Need Apply.  Congress has done this in milder form for the last few decades by mandating set-asides for women- and minority-owned businesses in government contracts, but even those don’t require the businesses to refuse to hire white male construction workers.
This sounds a lot more like a paternalistic welfare program than a real effort to improve American infrastructure.  We’re building roads and bridges for all Americans, using tax money from all Americans.  Everyone should have equal access to the jobs created by this stimulus plan.  What Reich proposes is flat-out official racism by government, refusing to hire people on the basis of their skin color.  Didn’t our last election demonstrate a rejection of that kind of thinking?  And note that Reich offers the racist rationalization that he doesn’t have anything against white male construction workers.  Maybe some of his best friends are white male construction workers, too.


http://hotair.com/archives/2009/01/22/video-no-stimulus-money-for-white-males/




Since Obama does not want the stimulus money going to white males, then as a white male I will stop paying my taxes!!!!


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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: lonestar2004]
    #9664177 - 01/23/09 09:31 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #9664224 - 01/23/09 09:44 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

whats crazy is that i live in south Texas and I've not seen a white construction worker in decades....


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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: lonestar2004]
    #9664472 - 01/23/09 10:28 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

That guy is a fucking moron and a jackass.  Apparently he doesn't mind the fourteenth amenment being violated if it is popular and good.


Hey jackass retards:  jim crow laws were popular and good.

The arrest of black's for doing things that wouldn't be a crime if done by a white man were popular and good.


Slavery was popular and good.



That guy is a fucking disgrace to the constitution and his office.  He basically admits the purpose of his proposal is to discriminate.  Fucking ridiculous.


It's on digg

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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: johnm214]
    #9664979 - 01/23/09 12:21 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Read between the lines.  It's a return to using union construction labor, which is fully integrated, over the nearly all white non-union shops that the so-called labor department under dubya allowed to discriminate, and gave preferential treatment to, such as Halliburton/KBR.

I'm a middle aged white male, a union electrician, and our contractors are expecting to get a lot of work in the coming months.
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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9665011 - 01/23/09 12:31 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Read between the lines. 




"It seems to me that infrastructure spending is a very important and good way of stimulating the economy. The challenge will be to do it quickly, to find projects that can be done that will have a high social return, that also can be done with the greatest speed possible," Reich said. "I am concerned, as I'm sure many of you are, that these jobs not simply go to high skilled people who are already professionals or to white male construction workers," he said.

I Read between the lines and the translation was redistribution of wealth to everyone but those paying the most taxes or the most qualified to do the work.....


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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: lonestar2004]
    #9665082 - 01/23/09 12:45 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Reich the Racist Fuck said:
"I am concerned, as I’m sure many of you are, that these jobs not simply go to high-skilled people who are already professionals or to white male construction workers.  … I have nothing against white male construction workers.  I’m just saying that there are a lot of other people who have needs as well. … Criteria can be set so that the money does go to others, the long term unemployed minorities, women, people who are not necessarily construction workers or high-skilled professionals."




Okay, that is some bullshit, there.


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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9665195 - 01/23/09 01:05 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Read between the lines.  It's a return to using union construction labor, which is fully integrated, over the nearly all white non-union shops that the so-called labor department under dubya allowed to discriminate





I've yet to work in an all white shop anywhere, I have worked in
an all black establishment, I was the only one that wasnt out of
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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9666168 - 01/23/09 04:02 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Read between the lines.  It's a return to using union construction labor, which is fully integrated, over the nearly all white non-union shops that the so-called labor department under dubya allowed to discriminate





I've yet to work in an all white shop anywhere, I have worked in
an all black establishment, I was the only one that wasnt out of
400 people, apparently they needed to fill their affirmative
action quota as well and I was it




White folks have it so rough.  :frown:


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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: TGRR]
    #9666403 - 01/23/09 04:42 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

> White folks have it so rough.  :frown:

Everybody has it pretty rough right now, regardless of skin color.  When will people learn that discrimination begets discrimination, regardless of who the majority or minority happen to be.  Reich, assuming he said what has been posted (and I have no reason to doubt such) should be ashamed.  He, through Obama, represents the PEOPLE, not a minority, not a majority, but those that are out of work, those that are suffering.  To bring race into the picture is petty.  Why would he say such a thing unless he wants to create divisions within society?  Why would he want to create divisions within society; who gains?  Certainly not the people that are suffering.


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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: Seuss]
    #9666414 - 01/23/09 04:43 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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> White folks have it so rough.  :frown:

Everybody has it pretty rough right now, regardless of skin color.  When will people learn that discrimination begets discrimination, regardless of who the majority or minority happen to be.  Reich, assuming he said what has been posted (and I have no reason to doubt such) should be ashamed.  He, through Obama, represents the PEOPLE, not a minority, not a majority, but those that are out of work, those that are suffering.  To bring race into the picture is petty.  Why would he say such a thing unless he wants to create divisions within society?  Why would he want to create divisions within society; who gains?  Certainly not the people that are suffering.




Obviously.


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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: TGRR]
    #9667293 - 01/23/09 07:28 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

> Obviously.

Which leads to the big question... was this a slip, or does this represent the beliefs of the new administration?


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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: Seuss]
    #9667367 - 01/23/09 07:42 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

next thing you know, they'll be doing the paper bag test to decide who gets the job.


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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: Seuss]
    #9668271 - 01/23/09 10:08 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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> Obviously.

Which leads to the big question... was this a slip, or does this represent the beliefs of the new administration?




Oh, they're all Black Panthers.  Once you're all out of work, they'll put on their Mandingo outfits and rape your women.


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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: TGRR]
    #9668962 - 01/23/09 11:54 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Read between the lines.  It's a return to using union construction labor, which is fully integrated, over the nearly all white non-union shops that the so-called labor department under dubya allowed to discriminate





I've yet to work in an all white shop anywhere, I have worked in
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White folks have it so rough.  :frown:




yeah... actually they do


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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: TGRR]
    #9668972 - 01/23/09 11:56 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

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> Obviously.

Which leads to the big question... was this a slip, or does this represent the beliefs of the new administration?




Oh, they're all Black Panthers.  Once you're all out of work, they'll put on their Mandingo outfits and rape your women.





it's about damned time... race wars dont just start themselves


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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9669129 - 01/24/09 12:27 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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yeah... actually they do




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    #9669132 - 01/24/09 12:28 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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it's about damned time... race wars dont just start themselves




Did you learn that from the Turner Diaries, Pris?


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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9672309 - 01/24/09 05:43 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

> it's about damned time... race wars dont just start themselves

I'm still not certain what to think.  It is unfortunate that this is a relevant discussion.  I'm hoping that it is not a sign of the general attitude of his administration.  I never got the impression that Obama is racist, though it is obvious that his wife is.  It will be unfortunate if racism becomes part of his administration, as it will reduce the chances of minorities getting into office in the future.


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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: Seuss]
    #9672337 - 01/24/09 05:49 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

If this kind of shit continues there will be a back lash against the Messiah...


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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: Seuss]
    #9672363 - 01/24/09 05:53 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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> it's about damned time... race wars dont just start themselves

I'm still not certain what to think.  It is unfortunate that this is a relevant discussion.  I'm hoping that it is not a sign of the general attitude of his administration.  I never got the impression that Obama is racist, though it is obvious that his wife is.  It will be unfortunate if racism becomes part of his administration, as it will reduce the chances of minorities getting into office in the future.




Why is it obvious that his wife is?


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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: lonestar2004]
    #9672368 - 01/24/09 05:53 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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If this kind of shit continues there will be a back lash against the Messiah...




Keep on believing, Lonestar.


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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: TGRR]
    #9672422 - 01/24/09 06:09 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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If this kind of shit continues there will be a back lash against the Messiah...




Keep on believing, Lonestar.








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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: TGRR]
    #9672686 - 01/24/09 07:09 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

> Why is it obvious that his wife is?

Why is it obvious that blue is blue?  (I don't know how to answer your question any better;  obvious is obvious.)  Read her publications and judge for yourself.


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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: lonestar2004]
    #9672759 - 01/24/09 07:23 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I have a good feeling that there will be a revolution in the near future, and well over due IMO


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    #9672877 - 01/24/09 07:44 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I'm sure glad I didn't vote for Obama.  I have a bad feeling some really fucked up stuff is coming.


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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: Seuss]
    #9673534 - 01/24/09 09:40 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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> Why is it obvious that his wife is?

Why is it obvious that blue is blue?  (I don't know how to answer your question any better;  obvious is obvious.)  Read her publications and judge for yourself.




So there's nothing specific?  She "just is"?

Heh.


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    #9673540 - 01/24/09 09:40 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm sure glad I didn't vote for Obama.  I have a bad feeling some really fucked up stuff is coming.




If that's true, not having voted for him won't save you.

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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: TGRR]
    #9674620 - 01/25/09 04:15 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

> So there's nothing specific?

Of course there are specifics.  As I said, "Read her publications and judge for yourself."


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    #9674917 - 01/25/09 08:11 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm sure glad I didn't vote for Obama.  I have a bad feeling some really fucked up stuff is coming.




I hear you.  I dont think its going to be good.


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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: TGRR]
    #9674925 - 01/25/09 08:15 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm sure glad I didn't vote for Obama.  I have a bad feeling some really fucked up stuff is coming.




If that's true, not having voted for him won't save you.

Just saying.




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    #9675491 - 01/25/09 10:49 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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> So there's nothing specific?

Of course there are specifics.  As I said, "Read her publications and judge for yourself."




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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: mofo]
    #9676405 - 01/25/09 01:19 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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  I have a bad feeling some really fucked up stuff is coming.




I honestly hope Obama can pull us out of this mess and not make it worse. Just in case it does get ugly i have started stockpiling things like Rice, canned foods, water, heirloom seeds, etc.

(my friends think I'm nuts) :crazy2:


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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: lonestar2004]
    #9676413 - 01/25/09 01:20 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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  I have a bad feeling some really fucked up stuff is coming.




I honestly hope Obama can pull us out of this mess and not make it worse. Just in case it does get ugly i have started stockpiling things like Rice, canned foods, water, heirloom seeds, etc.

(my friends think I'm nuts) :crazy2:




Naw.  Guns, ammo, pounds and pounds of meth, and a gallon of liquid LSD.

That's all you need.


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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: lonestar2004]
    #9680496 - 01/26/09 01:15 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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mofo said:
  I have a bad feeling some really fucked up stuff is coming.




I honestly hope Obama can pull us out of this mess and not make it worse. Just in case it does get ugly i have started stockpiling things like Rice, canned foods, water, heirloom seeds, etc.

(my friends think I'm nuts) :crazy2:



I seriously doubt a president, regardless of his policy can fix this financial crisis. The problem is deeply systemic and globalised in nature and any further injections of money will only exacerbate the problem. The market will continue to correct itself, as it has been, and the results will be very painful. We've been living on borrowed money and time for the past decade or so.

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    #9680898 - 01/26/09 05:53 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

> I seriously doubt a president, regardless of his policy can fix this financial crisis.

I would agree.  Congress also has to cooperate.  It is also a global crisis and will take more than just the US to do anything about it.

> any further injections of money will only exacerbate the problem

I disagree here.  Injections of money are a necessary evil, unfortunately.  We are on the brink of a deflationary spiral.  The only way (that I can see) to avoid such a disaster is to inject money into the system and hope for inflation.  Once the balance tips away from deflation, the inflation can be controlled before hyper-inflation takes hold.

> We've been living on borrowed money and time for the past decade or so.

For a lot longer than that... it started around FDRs time and has been growing nearly exponentially since.  It hasn't been until the last decade or two that the exponential debt has become really obvious.


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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: Seuss]
    #9681038 - 01/26/09 07:24 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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> any further injections of money will only exacerbate the problem

I disagree here.  Injections of money are a necessary evil, unfortunately.  We are on the brink of a deflationary spiral.  The only way (that I can see) to avoid such a disaster is to inject money into the system and hope for inflation.  Once the balance tips away from deflation, the inflation can be controlled before hyper-inflation takes hold.



Hasn't this approach been tried before and failed? During Japan's lost decade, I remember hearing something about their government trying to spend their way out of a deflationary spiral to no avail. Wouldn't injections of money just tilt the scales back in the direction of inflation and screw us equally as bad?


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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #9681049 - 01/26/09 07:28 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

> Hasn't this approach been tried before and failed?

It can fail, but is the only solution that I know of that has a chance of working.  I'm certainly not an expert in this field, so I could easily be wrong.


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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: Seuss]
    #9681058 - 01/26/09 07:34 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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> Hasn't this approach been tried before and failed?

It can fail, but is the only solution that I know of that has a chance of working.  I'm certainly not an expert in this field, so I could easily be wrong.



The example I keep seeing is Japan's lost decade. It looks exactly like what is happening to us- an astronomical real estate boom followed by a devastating bust and a deflationary tailspin. We're actually worse off because we have no savings and are in tremendous debt, while the Japanese were a creditor nation and held lots of savings.

Nothing that any government has tried in these scenarios really seems to work, it only fucks things up even more.


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Re: No White Construction Workers on Infrastructure Projects using stimulus money [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #9681351 - 01/26/09 09:17 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

> Nothing that any government has tried in these scenarios really seems to work, it only fucks things up even more.

Yep.  The banking system is basically one giant ponzi scheme where new debt must be created to keep the system from collapsing.  Once people stop borrowing, the entire system falls apart (deflationary spiral).  Pumping money into the system, in theory, allows people to borrow, thus creating new money and preventing the collapse of the system.  The price paid is inflation; however, inflation can be controlled once people are borrowing again by increasing interest rates.

A bigger problem is with fractional banking in general.  Because of the way the system works, there is never enough money available to pay off the accumulated interest.  As long as we keep creating more debt, we create more money, thus we can pay off more interest.  Unfortunately, this system grows exponentially.  Eventually the debt required to create money to pay off interest becomes unimaginably large... and the system falls apart.

With respect to Japan, most people believe that their government didn't act fast enough pumping money into the system.  They trusted the market to fix itself, and instead, it collapsed.  By the time they realized their mistake, it was too late to do anything about it.


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