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Larrythescaryrex
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what is "zen"
#965172 - 10/16/02 02:57 AM (22 years, 26 days ago) |
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if such a thing can be encapsulated by words?
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invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
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mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
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Seuss
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Zen: an abbreviation of the Japanese word zenna, which is a transliteration of the Sanskrit dhyana (ch'an or ch'anna in Chinese), that is, the process of concentration and absorption by which the mind is first tranquilized and brought to one-pointedness, and then awakened.
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Shroomism
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Words are sometimes unnecessary. They say a picture says a thousand words...
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CleverName
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zen emphasizes the direct experience of enlightenment (satori) through meditation, and the master-disciple relationship; and though scholarship and textual study are parts of zen practice, they are seen as obstacles to enlightenment if the disciple becomes attached to the intellectual process.
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Evolving
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It is what it is.
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windex
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Re: what is "zen" [Re: Shroomism]
#965546 - 10/16/02 09:38 AM (22 years, 26 days ago) |
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shroomisim: yeah thats about right
dont mind if a borrow that picture do ya?
Edited by windex (10/16/02 09:39 AM)
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Shroomism
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Re: what is "zen" [Re: windex]
#965553 - 10/16/02 09:42 AM (22 years, 26 days ago) |
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Go for it.
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Evolving
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In reply to:
what is "zen" ... if such a thing can be encapsulated by words?
Encapsulating it in words is not the way to go. Try to realize or understand without symbolic thinking, without words, without numbers. Whenever we classify something with words and start thinking with those words, we are no longer thinking directly about that thing but we're using the words which symbolize it. If you want to know a mountain, you will not know it by learning it from a map (you may know about it), you must go directly to it and experience it.
-------------------- To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.' Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence. Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains. Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.
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LiquidSmoke
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Zen is zen
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CleverName
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zen isnt zen
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this is the purpose
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infidelGOD
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Re: what is "zen" [Re: CleverName]
#965737 - 10/16/02 11:38 AM (22 years, 26 days ago) |
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Zen is.
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CleverName
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Re: what is "zen" [Re: infidelGOD]
#965766 - 10/16/02 11:58 AM (22 years, 26 days ago) |
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excellent
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this is the purpose
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Sclorch
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Re: what is "zen" [Re: Evolving]
#965804 - 10/16/02 12:17 PM (22 years, 26 days ago) |
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Whenever we classify something with words and start thinking with those words, we are no longer thinking directly about that thing but we're using the words which symbolize it.
*ding ding ding* We have a winner!!
(why am I not surprised who it is?)
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CleverName
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Re: what is "zen" [Re: Sclorch]
#965808 - 10/16/02 12:20 PM (22 years, 26 days ago) |
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well, yeah....you really shouldnt have conceptual constructs for anyting. can anything really be defined?
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Sclorch
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Re: what is "zen" [Re: CleverName]
#965811 - 10/16/02 12:21 PM (22 years, 26 days ago) |
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Definitions are only needed for communication. One's mind should be clear of such biases.
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CleverName
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Re: what is "zen" [Re: Sclorch]
#965817 - 10/16/02 12:22 PM (22 years, 26 days ago) |
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agreed
-------------------- if you can't find the truth right where you are, where else do you expect to find it?
this is the purpose
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infidelGOD
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Re: what is "zen" [Re: Sclorch]
#965826 - 10/16/02 12:26 PM (22 years, 26 days ago) |
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"The Tao that can be written is not the true Tao"
The Zen that can be described is not the true Zen
The God that can be seen is not the true God
No human tongue can soil the ineffable center.
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Blastrid
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Re: what is "zen" [Re: infidelGOD]
#966144 - 10/16/02 02:26 PM (22 years, 25 days ago) |
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hm..
what is is what
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GrowingVines
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Re: what is "zen" [Re: infidelGOD]
#966251 - 10/16/02 03:06 PM (22 years, 25 days ago) |
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you can't descirbe peace of mind or Tranquility, you must experience first hand
peace out my brothers, for eveyone has a bit of insanity in them
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xganon
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"what is Zen"
is likely a fun koan for those who experience it
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