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Do you actually want to know what's true...?
    #964744 - 10/16/02 01:40 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #964764 - 10/16/02 01:50 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I seek the truth, truth is everywhere, no person, no religion, no book, no group has a monopoly on the truth. I'll get it wherever I can find it. I don't have to choose between my relationships and the truth, there are truths in my relationships, they cannot be seperated. Life is a packaged deal.


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #964783 - 10/16/02 01:58 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Perception is a tricky deal, no?

Why?


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #964789 - 10/16/02 02:00 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Dammit!
You're telling me that Truth? is actually attainable?
I thought I'd always be stuck :wink: asking questions.

Well... since you know that there is some sort of absolute truth (implied in your post... if it's attainable, it must be concrete), then you MUST have it. 
Give it to us, kind sir.

Note: I do have a small savings set aside for emergencies.  But I'd be willing to spend it all on this Truth? if the price was reasonable. 


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: Sclorch]
    #964802 - 10/16/02 02:05 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I heartily concur.


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: Sclorch]
    #964834 - 10/16/02 02:15 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #964850 - 10/16/02 02:19 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

C'mon, out with it!

Truth is, it's getting late and I'm running out of beer...



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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: Evolving]
    #964853 - 10/16/02 02:21 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #964861 - 10/16/02 02:24 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

"I believe that words like "honesty," "truth," "forthrightness" have a place in our world which drowns itself in falsehood after falsehood."

what do you mean exactely?


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: CleverName]
    #964876 - 10/16/02 02:28 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #964881 - 10/16/02 02:29 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

If you're trying to use the Socratic method... that's fine, I'll play along.

If you're just being dramatic, I'm gonna rip into you.
(Note: I'm only warning you because, historically, you've been fragile.)


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: Sclorch]
    #964887 - 10/16/02 02:32 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #964907 - 10/16/02 02:37 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Some of us are honorable and try to govern ourselves, to be honest, truthful and forthright. Unfortunately, honesty, truthfulness and forthrightness (?) are not always considered 'politically correct.' In other words, people would rather be lied to with a smiling face than to be told they are...

** searching for the right word **

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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: Evolving]
    #964914 - 10/16/02 02:40 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #964934 - 10/16/02 02:45 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I value honesty highly. I generally don't 'cotton' to people who tell me what they think I want to hear or put on facades. But then, I never feel comfortable lying myself and prefer that people know where I stand.


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #964952 - 10/16/02 02:52 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

A surviving masochist knows when to say "when."
Fair enough.

I mean this: These words "honesty, truth, etc" are words in our dictionary because they have meaning.

1. So you do not acknowledge limits in our language?
If our means of communication (language) was perfect, we would have no use for analogies.

2. The fact that words (and language) were arbitrarily chosen (and then evolved- still not perfect though) lends credence to the view that it is possible that some words now hold different values than they originally held.

Think of this...
I'm a caveman. I make up a word for the "magical" overnight appearance of "cold, white stuff that turns to water when you touch it long enough". Let's call this word "glizzumob". Well, soon the entire tribe begins to use this word in everyday language. Then one night one of the more inquisitive tribesmen stays up all night. Just before sunrise, he sees how all this white stuff appears... it falls from the sky. He tells the others that the white stuff (given the name "snow") doesn't just "appear" "magically"... no, the snow falls from the sky. Well, some of the tribe bother to stay up and see the snow fall... and they agree that "glizzumob" is not an accurate term to describe the event. But it doesn't matter anymore... the rest of the tribe is so used to using saying "glizzumob" that they keep right on using it, much to the chagrin of the inquisitive (read: informed) tribesman.


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: Sclorch]
    #965169 - 10/16/02 04:54 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

shhhh! you're gonna blow my cover! i almost got this whole tribe here worshipping me as god and bringing me little morsels of food on silver platters! don't make them think they can actually THINK for themselves!


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: Sclorch]
    #965183 - 10/16/02 05:11 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

There are many meanings of words that have changed over time

But is Honesty, or Truth one of them?
it seems to me Honesty still means the same thing it would have anytime.. 
and truth?  well this word has been picked apart by you guys so much im afraid to even touch it  :tongue:

Sclorch,  do you smoke reefer? if so, how often? (just curious)



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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #965190 - 10/16/02 05:16 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Truth is always here. Seeing that it is here, is something people in general don't do.

Beeing the part is more important to me then beeing the ego based reactor.
As a reaction to your conlusion that we all seek the same truth as you describe we need to choose between as which one is most important.


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: Grav]
    #965733 - 10/16/02 01:34 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Sclorch, do you smoke reefer? if so, how often? (just curious)

I'm not sure. I haven't smoked in 5 months... 3 months actual clean-up time, 2 months filling out job applications, interviews, and pissing in cups (no hair tests yet). I guess I would do it every so often if I didn't have to worry about drug tests.

There are many meanings of words that have changed over time
But is Honesty, or Truth one of them?
it seems to me Honesty still means the same thing it would have anytime...


Is a "little white lie" considered a lie? Many would say no.

And truth... yeah, I gotta rip into that. Truth has taken on an absolute connotation... which is weird because it seems that most "truths" have changed as time goes on.


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: Sclorch]
    #965769 - 10/16/02 01:59 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

so are you saying that truth arises out of society?


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: CleverName]
    #965796 - 10/16/02 02:13 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

You're going to have to clarify what you mean...


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: Sclorch]
    #965798 - 10/16/02 02:15 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

"seems that most "truths" have changed as time goes on."

*so are you saying that truth arises out of society as society changes?


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: CleverName]
    #965807 - 10/16/02 02:19 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

hmm...

I'd say that truth changes with the discovery of new evidence.
I guess sometimes it could "arise" out of society...


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #966199 - 10/16/02 04:45 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I feel like I'm walking into a booby trap replying to this thread.....
No, I don't really seek the "actual truth" on these boards.
It's not something you can attain directly from the shroomery.
A bit of lively "contact" maybe, yes.
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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: frogsheath]
    #966332 - 10/16/02 05:32 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

yeah, enter, where are you taking this?


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #966440 - 10/16/02 06:04 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Yes I look for the truth in everything, all the time. That's what learning is all about, and learning is what I do in life.

Do I always like the truth that I find? No. Am I prepared for some of the possible truths I may find? No. Does any of this stop me from looking for the truth? Nope.

One thing Salvia taught me was that it doesn't matter how much I want to learn the truth, I might still run away from it when I'm confronted with it. I would still rather live life in fear knowing the truth than live in ignorance, however blissful it is.


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: CleverName]
    #967725 - 10/17/02 01:44 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #967736 - 10/17/02 01:49 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I have truth.
It is love.

It is what we are all born with.
Would creation lie to itself?


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #967973 - 10/17/02 03:25 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

You talk a lot, but do any of you actually have truth?

Let me refer you to my FIRST reply-
"You're telling me that Truth? is actually attainable?"

Some of us are okay with not being able to have infallible truths... why aren't you okay with it?

Safe people like thinking safely for safe living.
Gosh durnit... I want safety... and YOU SHOULD TOO!
Here are some new laws that will guarantee all of our safety.  I know... you're arguing about freedom now, but you'll be happy later when you're under our security blanket... just wait and see.

Thanks, but I'll sleep on top of the covers. :wink: 


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: Sclorch]
    #968408 - 10/17/02 10:25 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #968474 - 10/17/02 10:52 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I'd like to know what is false. Then, by subtracting everything that is false from everything else, I could come up with the truth myself.

And now here's the problem. Religious people are quite good at telling truths, and a lot of these truths make sense. But when you ask a religious person for something false (and, assuming that a person knows everything that is true, that person would also know everything that is false) then they come up with the most ridiculous bullshit possible... ask someone to give you a major insight that is false, and he will immediately display his ignorance. No?



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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #968597 - 10/17/02 11:51 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I'm sorry, I missed the point. I thought that you wanted to give some universal truths. It seems you didn't.

Anyways...

but the key IMO is to be honest within yourself as deeply as you can for as long as you can. Eventually, your bound to stumble upon more truth than the person who does not care whether or not they are honest.

If this means being honest as to what you experience, I agree. For example, if one experiences pain, one should be honest about it, look at it, and acknowledge it ("I am experiencing pain"). One should not try to run away from what is happening. But if you mean that we should find a verbal concept that is true, a honest interpretation of an experience, I strongly disagree. If we dislike someone, we often feel the need to come up with a rational explanation of that feeling. We only feel comfortable if we can repeat a phrase in our mind that justifies our feelings, a reason why we dislike a particular person. But the truth is that there is no rational reason involved. We just don't like that person. It's very hard to acknowledge that a feeling can be completely instinctual, that there is no rational motivation behind it whatsoever, and still regard the feeling as valid and not suppressing it. And so we lie to ourselves exactly when we try to be as honest as possible, when we rationalize things which cannot be rationalized, and that's the biggest lie possible.



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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: Nomad]
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    #968710 - 10/17/02 12:50 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

maybe truth will be whats left when everything else is gone


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: CleverName]
    #968715 - 10/17/02 12:53 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I seek thruth, but also am mentally turned on by the fact that ultimate truth will never be known. I will do my best to understand the world around me, but the ever present question of "what is out there?" keeps life suspensful. In that sense, the search of truth may be one of the many, or the single meaning of life.


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #968768 - 10/17/02 01:11 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

First I ask, are any of you truly seekers of truth

Err, Your truth?
My Truth? or the 'Truth" Truth?

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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #968775 - 10/17/02 01:18 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Okay Enter, out with it. Give us the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #968777 - 10/17/02 01:18 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Then No.
My Truth is private.
Your Truth is Madness.
And the 'Truth' Truth is up for grabs.

Im gonna ride it out. But, thanks for askin' -OoD


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    #968781 - 10/17/02 01:21 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Bait is for fishies.  :smirk:


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #968803 - 10/17/02 01:28 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

You obvioulsy missed my reply in the "Age, is it true?" Thread, where us Adults are over the Peer Pressure crap.


But, if yer buyin' I'll stick around. Ill have a shot of JD with a pint. thanks.  :smirk: - OoD
 


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #968806 - 10/17/02 01:29 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

ok enter....i seek the truth, and im willing to know it even if i dont like it....so now what?


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: Anonymous]
    #968811 - 10/17/02 01:30 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #968812 - 10/17/02 01:30 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Yes master, how may we follow you to the truth? What do you want us to believe?


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: CleverName]
    #968816 - 10/17/02 01:32 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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    #968818 - 10/17/02 01:33 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #968829 - 10/17/02 01:36 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

no offense, but thats it?
i was the same before as i am now...perhaps you dont give people enough credit....
noone would be at the shroomery s&p forum if they werent interested in seeking somewhat truth...


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    #968833 - 10/17/02 01:37 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #968839 - 10/17/02 01:38 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

You want the Truth?  :smirk:


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    #968856 - 10/17/02 01:44 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!! :grin: 


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    #968857 - 10/17/02 01:45 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #968879 - 10/17/02 01:51 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

In reply to:

You, Evolving, are also scared to join young enter for a drink at the bar, aren't you?



Hardly, do you mind if I smoke a bowl in the parking lot before grabbing a beer?


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #968885 - 10/17/02 01:53 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

The Truth is, I think you're waiting for someone in this Forum, whom you Admire/Despise, to TELL you what the truth is.

I think You have no inkling what the Truth, or any other esoteric ideals save for the ones that were put upon you by the Ones who brought you Up. - Not that you should. I sure as hell dont know what the 'true' Truth is, but to me, thats half the fun of being cogniscent. i want to spend the rest of my life figuring it out. If I knew what it was, whats left? - Sitting here and talking to you.
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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: Anonymous]
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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #968974 - 10/17/02 02:11 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I'm gonna do a keyword search and see what's out there....


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: Evolving]
    #969117 - 10/17/02 02:53 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

they should make a sequal to Enter the Dragon and call it Enter the Fool...and you could star as the Fool. :smile:


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #969129 - 10/17/02 02:57 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Your statements are quite childish in thinking.

I certainly hope so. Children... little buddhas.

There is a reason why humans do what they do. There is a reason why we feel things, why we don't feel things, etc.

Now you make me curious... could you give me an example? Could you be so kind as to think of a person you dislike (that is, a person you had personal contact with, not Bin Laden) and then tell me exactly why you dislike that person? And remember to tell me the truth, and nothing but the truth. Be careful. Think about it, and find out the true reason... true reason... true reason... [echo fading into infinity]

A. You find yourself disliking people

Of course I do! What you mean with "find myself" dislike people? There are people whom I fucking dislike, plain and easy. I ignore those people. I dislike them so much that even hate would grant them too much respect.

B. You don't question it anymore because it's too much labor.

I don't question it anymore, that's probably right. But I don't know the reason for that. Every part of a sentence that begins with "because" is a lie, unless in a mathematical context.


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #969151 - 10/17/02 03:02 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

The truth is, you only need to shut the fuck up to experience it. Any bullshit philosophy just drags you away from it and leaves you running around in circles. It's not something that can be told only realised.


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    #969362 - 10/17/02 04:03 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

while at other times I might be driving and dislike the speed another car is driving at (thus I dislike the driver).

That's a good example, actually.

You dislike the driver because of the speed he drives at? That's not true. There are some days when you drive a car and someone else drives at a certain speed, and you dislike him. But then there are other days where you are in exactly the same situation, but you do not dislike the other car driver... you do not care about him or the speed he drives at. Thus, it is obvious that the true reason why you dislike the first car driver (but not the second) is NOT the speed he drives at.

Now try a little harder. Look deeper. Try to find out the TRUE reason why you dislike that person.

Then tell me.

If I have a problem with someone I assure you there is always a reason

I don't claim the opposite. I'm arguing that any reason you come up with is a lie. I never said there is no reason.


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: Nomad]
    #969371 - 10/17/02 04:06 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #969437 - 10/17/02 04:26 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Enter, I started a new thread, so we can get to the bottom of this "truth" business. Please post your knowledge of it so I can assimilate the information and use it to construct a better cognitive model of the universe.

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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #969441 - 10/17/02 04:27 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I'm sorry. I'll try again.

You said that you remember a day (let's call that day one) when you disliked another person (let's call that person one) because he was driving his car at a certain speed.

My proposition is that you can also remember a different day (if so, let's call that day two) where another person (let's call that person two) was driving his car at the same speed as person one, but you did NOT dislike that person.

If so, then the true reason why you dislike person one, but not person two, was not the speed person one was driving at (because person two was driving at the same speed, yet you do not dislike him).

If not so, then my proposition must be false. That would mean that you would always dislike another person when he or she drives at a certain speed. Then you would be a remarkably consistent person. I don't have a problem with that, it's just that I would like to know if my proposition is false. (I will try a different argument, then  :tongue:). So tell me.

BUT if my proposition is not false, I would like to know the true reason why you dislike person one, but not person two. It's okay that you lied to me when you said it was because of the speed. I don't mind, really. I'm a forgiving person. But now tell me the TRUTH, will ya? (Hint: It must have something to do with the time of the incident. You were having a bad day or something like that.)
     


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    #969458 - 10/17/02 04:32 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I think the truth is that in that situation you don't actually hate the driver you are just feeling uptight and annoyed at the moment and just need to try to relax. Think about it, how might you feel about him if you had a few zanax in you?
I often get annoyed in traffic, but, when I make a concious effort to relax that goes away. Then I start to realise the state of mind the other drivers might be in and I feel more sorrow for them than hate.


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: Evolving]
    #969690 - 10/17/02 05:47 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I was goofing in your thread before I read this one.

Sorry. I meant no harm as was trying to lighten the mood.

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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #969716 - 10/17/02 05:53 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Ok enter, here's what I think.

I think you want attention, period.

You may think you have the truth or Truth but what you may have (with emphasis on the word 'may') is some of the truth or even the Truth. Whether any of that is certain or not is hard to tell for your actions on this forum do not indicate it.

I will reserve my personal thoughts on your character because I am a Moderator in this forum and should try to promote goodwill among the members.

Simply put, we have little to nothing to talk about. You have nothing that you can teach me except perhaps patience.

Thank you.

That is all.


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Re: Do you actually want to know what's true...? [Re: World Spirit]
    #969718 - 10/17/02 05:54 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Anyone ever read the short story The Real Thing by Carolyn Ives Gilman? It appeared in The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction July 2001and The Year's Best Science Fiction 19th Edition. It is about a future when nobody cares about the truth, only the act of recieving vast amounts of information.


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