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Mephistophelian
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German Kahuna said: I believe that he was addressing you, Damion. I don't know why he popped a vein, but looking at the rather generic screen name, it's probably a butthurt former member who signed up with a new identity. I'm going to rate him a zero anyways just in case.
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Shr00mZ
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thats cool man.
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shaggyeg6si
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Amazing. but what is the bubbler for?
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Mephistophelian
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Keeps the air aerated to avoid contaminates. You can do a bubbler or H202 (or both). Some add bleach/h202 and some use bubblers. Both work.
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MycoAu
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I've seen Agar's setup. I suspected yours would do as well, but I like to know ahead of time. I might actually build one of these in the near future as I have everything needed except the fan. I can probably even pick up one or two free from somebody I know, so it would be a nice way to eliminate the hassle of refilling humidifier tanks.
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shroomzey
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Re: Fogger Build [Re: MycoAu]
#9645222 - 01/20/09 11:33 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hmmmm, nice I've been wanting to see you post this.
I'm contemplating a similar build except... I'm unsure about getting over the humps of some design changes.
What I would like to do is have a drum like that supply rh and FAE to 3 greenhouses, except that the greenhouses would also have a return hose to the humidifier. Rather than having a simple intake fan, I want a to have a return box, and the fan will be in-line with the return air. This way there is a constant circulation of the air in all three chambers. With cycle timers you could adjust the amount of time the air stone/bubbler and fogger is on... and once you get it just right you could supply a ridiculous amount of FAE while still maintaining the rh.
I imagine the only downside to this would be that the air is being circulated in all 3 chambers, and if contam becomes present in one, all 3 get it. It and kind of defeats the advantage of keeping them separate. I'm also unsure how a small SQL cage fan will perform while pushing that much humid air...
Once you get everything hooked up, let me know how it rocks or if there is anything you might change. Or even if you think this whole return air business is worth it?
Is anyone else of the opinion that having that kind of climate control over 3 greenhouses would be worthwhile?
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Edited by shroomzey (01/20/09 11:36 AM)
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Damion5050
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Re: Fogger Build [Re: shroomzey]
#9645640 - 01/20/09 01:03 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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shroomzey said: Hmmmm, nice I've been wanting to see you post this.
I'm contemplating a similar build except... I'm unsure about getting over the humps of some design changes.
What I would like to do is have a drum like that supply rh and FAE to 3 greenhouses, except that the greenhouses would also have a return hose to the humidifier. Rather than having a simple intake fan, I want a to have a return box, and the fan will be in-line with the return air. This way there is a constant circulation of the air in all three chambers. With cycle timers you could adjust the amount of time the air stone/bubbler and fogger is on... and once you get it just right you could supply a ridiculous amount of FAE while still maintaining the rh.
I imagine the only downside to this would be that the air is being circulated in all 3 chambers, and if contam becomes present in one, all 3 get it. It and kind of defeats the advantage of keeping them separate. I'm also unsure how a small SQL cage fan will perform while pushing that much humid air...
Once you get everything hooked up, let me know how it rocks or if there is anything you might change. Or even if you think this whole return air business is worth it?
Is anyone else of the opinion that having that kind of climate control over 3 greenhouses would be worthwhile?
Well the only problem I see with your idea is the fact it can spread contamination throughout the system, also I would not do a return because you don't want to be using the same water over and over again, Well at least I don't want to..
This thing could easily supply 3 greenhouses on it's own when it's working right, the problem I am having which I already stated is the fan is to powerful so it actually clears out all the fog in the container and then traps it in the bottom, the down force of air is to great, so I will bump it down alittle and it will solve the problem, or even moving the fan to a different location is it blows across the surface of the water would work as well..
To another question I read, the air stones/bubbler's stay on 24/7 to keep the water aerated with O2, this helps from getting stagnant water..
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shroomzey
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Eh, fuck it.
I've spent enough time theorizing about this bulk humid/FC thing. Rather than question it, I'm just gonna do it. If it fails, it fails... and I'll post a huge thread describing the entire process so that if anyone after me wants to do the same thing... I'll have a fat pictorial thats says, NO.
The only way to find out is to do it, or screw up trying.
The only difference is my environment is way cleaner than any home cultivators. The greenhouses will be housed in a completely sealed room with recirculating HEPA filtered air. My lab doubles for a grow area and a place for sterile work.
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Edited by shroomzey (01/20/09 02:50 PM)
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ICdeadPeople
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really cool... very nicely done Damion. I have a question tho, i got me a nice ultrasonic from target for under 50 bucks... whats the differance between what ure doing and and store bought 1? if none y go through all the trouble (besides showing that u can build a bad ass fucking fogger from scratch)
BTW, that would be a badass tek for a journal
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Edited by ICdeadPeople (01/20/09 03:08 PM)
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shroomzey
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ICdeadPeople said: really cool... very nicely done Damion. I have a question tho, i got me a nice ultrasonic from target for under 50 bucks... whats the differance between what ure doing and and store bought 1? if none y go through all the trouble (besides showing that u can build a bad ass fucking fogger from scratch)
BTW, that would be a badass tek for a journal
Larger capacity, provides greater FAE. Also... you'll see a lot of people modifying their cool mists and ultrasonics with hoses and such, and really they're not built for that. The static pressure built up from the modifications usually ends up killing the humidifier.
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ICdeadPeople
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Re: Fogger Build [Re: shroomzey]
#9646580 - 01/20/09 03:49 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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ahhh i c... i was just going to stick my ultrasonic inside my martha/GH
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Damion5050
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ICdeadPeople said: ahhh i c... i was just going to stick my ultrasonic inside my martha/GH
You can do that, even RR says to stick a coolmist in the greenhouse on the bottom shelf and let it run.
The main reason I made this is for automation purposes.. I work 5-8 hours a day and go to college for 6-8 hours a day as well.. So I really have not time, with this setup I will only have to change/add water every 2 weeks or so, as well the fan will run at all times providing constant O2, then the fogger will be set on a cycle timer and will come on for like 3 minutes off for 10, or some where around there, I still need to tweak the timing on the system so that I keep my Rh up and don't over soak my trays as well as flood my apartment..
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shroomzey
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I still need to tweak the timing on the system so that I keep my Rh up and don't over soak my trays as well as flood my apartment..
... =D
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9764163#Post9764163 (air return mixer) the box has 2 inlets, one from each GH, a fat fresh air inlet valve, and the blower goes to the bucket humidifier.
I can't wait to test. *Yells at his trays to colonize faster!!*
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shaggyeg6si
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What kind of life expentancy do you have on your ultrasonic fogger? Also, how much have you used it? Also, has it died on you? One of my friends is going through foggers left and right.
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ozzysmygod
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Damion5050 said: The fan I bought from grangers.com, it's 40 CFM output, it is alittle to powerful so I need to get a dimmer switch installed so I can adjust the CFM's..
Dimmer switch is not suitable for this application, Damion.
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cpw1971 said: I also have a dimmer box I made from a dual receptacle box with a dimmer wired to a dual plug receptacle. It has a power cord wired in to the dimmer. I use this to control fan speed ect.
It's an EXTREME fire hazzard to attempt to control a motor load with a lighting dimmer. A heat pad would be fine, but a motor, No! Use a motor speed controller. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6364582#6364582
I read in another thread you cant use dimmer switches on all AC motors, because the frequency of the AC, not the voltage controls the fan speed
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Mephistophelian
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The fogger's life will drop considerably with water that is hard or full of minerals. If you have distilled water or softer water, the screens won't wear out as quick.
As well..you can just get a replacement kit for your fogger instead of a full replacement.
Your right ozzy. AC motors are based on frequency modulation not voltage drops (unless the motor is built for that purpose like a ceiling fan).
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