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InvisibleChronic7

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Surrendering to Self
    #9638239 - 01/19/09 03:26 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Alot of people throughout history have said that the main path to truth is through surrender, through coming upon really harsh times, surrendering, then finding truth. There's countless reports of it happening.

Person hit's rock bottom then wonders what its all about, then discovers 'the truth'

That seems to be the only time we're really bothered about truth, when life gets real shitty & we feel we can't take anymore, or just before we die for some people.

But what if there was a different way to find truth?
Without surrendering to something 'higher' than yourself
(cause we know how much the ego hates the words 'surrender to GOD')

You can simply surrender to yourself, stating, i want to be 100% true to who i am & i surrender all my false conditioning that life has given me to be dissolved in my true Self, then abide within & remain as your own true Self all the time.
This is completely reliable as true Self is always here throughout our life.

So forget about relying on God etc...rely 100% on who you truly are
(same thing)

:peace:


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Re: Surrendering to Self [Re: Chronic7]
    #9646136 - 01/20/09 04:28 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think surrendering yourself to anything helps, each of us are in a battle between our ego's and our higher functions. Once you surrender your ego wins.  Religion and philosophy feed and stroke the ego, giving the believer a false confidence through a physical answer.


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Re: Surrendering to Self [Re: C.M. Mann]
    #9646182 - 01/20/09 04:41 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The masters have indicated that there are basically two spiritual paths: The path of will and the path of surrender. Either you learn self-mastery by great discipline and will power, or by allowing things to be just the way they are, and allowing the cosmic currents to carry you wherever they will. The first path takes amazing self control, the second path takes extraordinary trust. Ultimately, the seeker who has gone as far as he can on discipline will have to surrender. That is the long way around. Alternately you can begin with surrender. - somebody


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Re: Surrendering to Self [Re: Indigenous]
    #9646271 - 01/20/09 04:56 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Surrendering to the " Masters" may be for you, But I have the same brain and will find my own way.


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Re: Surrendering to Self [Re: C.M. Mann]
    #9646292 - 01/20/09 05:00 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Surrender is to God, not the masters.


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Re: Surrendering to Self [Re: Indigenous]
    #9646502 - 01/20/09 05:34 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Too bad this dude shows no signs of existence.


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Re: Surrendering to Self [Re: Chronic7]
    #9649775 - 01/21/09 01:55 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

what and where is this "true self?"

How do I distinguish my "true self" from my fake self?

If there was a "true self", does this mean that I am unable to change, as it seems this self is static and constant???

:peace:


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Re: Surrendering to Self [Re: figmentfragment]
    #9650386 - 01/21/09 07:48 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

figmentfragment said:
what and where is this "true self?"

How do I distinguish my "true self" from my fake self?

If there was a "true self", does this mean that I am unable to change, as it seems this self is static and constant???

:peace:




I think it means to get to the reality of what you are. The truth in relationship to God, reality, philosophy, etc. This would not be changeable.


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Re: Surrendering to Self [Re: Indigenous]
    #9650460 - 01/21/09 08:24 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Indigenous said:
Quote:

figmentfragment said:
what and where is this "true self?"

How do I distinguish my "true self" from my fake self?

If there was a "true self", does this mean that I am unable to change, as it seems this self is static and constant???

:peace:




I think it means to get to the reality of what you are. The truth in relationship to God, reality, philosophy, etc. This would not be changeable.




These words are basically the same, rephrased. "reality of what you are?"

And that is????????


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Re: Surrendering to Self [Re: C.M. Mann]
    #9650474 - 01/21/09 08:30 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

C.M. Mann said:
I don't think surrendering yourself to anything helps, each of us are in a battle between our ego's and our higher functions. Once you surrender your ego wins.  Religion and philosophy feed and stroke the ego, giving the believer a false confidence through a physical answer.




If you surrender and you ego wins, it is because "you" let it win.
I did choose to surrender but not to my ego, but to who truly I am. Because my ego tells me to act and do stuff that are not in balance with my true nature and these vibes do not resonate with me well. And which put me in troubling positions trough my life. On the other hand my true self do not act in that way... it shows me ways of wisdom, acceptance, compassion, love... etc. Which i prefer better :smile:

Love and Light :P


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Re: Surrendering to Self [Re: figmentfragment]
    #9650585 - 01/21/09 09:43 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

figmentfragment said:
Quote:

Indigenous said:
Quote:

figmentfragment said:
what and where is this "true self?"

How do I distinguish my "true self" from my fake self?

If there was a "true self", does this mean that I am unable to change, as it seems this self is static and constant???

:peace:




I think it means to get to the reality of what you are. The truth in relationship to God, reality, philosophy, etc. This would not be changeable.




These words are basically the same, rephrased. "reality of what you are?"

And that is????????




If I knew that I would write a book. This is why people follow spiritual paths like Buddhism.


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Re: Surrendering to Self [Re: Indigenous]
    #9650679 - 01/21/09 10:16 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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If I knew that I would write a book. This is why people follow spiritual paths like Buddhism.




Can you know what's driving ALL the people who follow spiritual paths? :eek:


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All this time I've missed you
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Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
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Re: Surrendering to Self [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #9651493 - 01/21/09 01:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I became a Hari Krishna because I just love the outfits. They look so happy, too.


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Re: Surrendering to Self [Re: C.M. Mann]
    #9651610 - 01/21/09 01:34 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

C.M. Mann said:
I don't think surrendering yourself to anything helps, each of us are in a battle between our ego's and our higher functions. Once you surrender your ego wins.  Religion and philosophy feed and stroke the ego, giving the believer a false confidence through a physical answer.





I agree with this guy!


True self, i think can be sumed up as you without the ego, even without the religion part, existing as a human and having all these human functions. Its like a super stripped down version of you thats alot free-er.


with out the "Wants" from throughout the day, that make your thought processes strictly derivative to the day that happend.


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John F. Kennedy, April 1960


Edited by NoFaceToSave (01/21/09 01:39 PM)


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Re: Surrendering to Self [Re: figmentfragment]
    #9652000 - 01/21/09 02:43 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

figmentfragment said:
what and where is this "true self?"

How do I distinguish my "true self" from my fake self?

If there was a "true self", does this mean that I am unable to change, as it seems this self is static and constant???

:peace:




the true Self is inside you
its not a thing you can find like a physical object
its more like you reject all the crap thats been added to it over the years
then the Self shines by itself, pure & true

the Self is constant, but not inert or boring,
what is constant is eternal & true
when the mind is absorbed in the unchanging Self the body/mind continues to change
but it comes into a universal flow, no more resistance, more efficiency

"I see myself wrapped in lies, which do not seem to penetrate my soul, as if they are not really a part of me. They are like costumes."

what im saying is abandon the costumes as false & be the naked truth itself
this can never fail

:peace:


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Edited by Chronic7 (01/21/09 02:57 PM)


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