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MushroomTrip
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Re: The Last Ever God Thread [Re: Indigenous]
#9638491 - 01/19/09 02:06 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Indigenous said: You build a theory that fits the facts you have.
It's nothing more than logic
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: The Last Ever God Thread [Re: MushroomTrip]
#9638501 - 01/19/09 02:08 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dr. TZ,
To be a messenger of God all you have to do is to convince dim-witted others that you are such a messenger. (See: Jim Jones & Rajneesh & The Branch Davidians). Nothing else is necessary.
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Chronic7
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Re: The Last Ever God Thread [Re: MushroomTrip]
#9638504 - 01/19/09 02:08 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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the evidence of his reply is the evidence that he typed & posted
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krypto2000
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Re: The Last Ever God Thread [Re: MushroomTrip]
#9638533 - 01/19/09 02:13 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: There is no proof that I am typing this, but you still believe it to be me do you not? If my memory were wiped and I had no memory of typing this then there is no proof in the world to be had. The fact that I typed this would be just as provable, or deniable, based on evidence alone, as is god. You take it on faith that I typed this because you assume I typed all the other ones and it just makes the most sense to keep believing that.
You mean you're not registered as a citizen of a country, with an address, living with parents/ friends/ girlfriend/ around neighbors, who can state about you living where live? You mean that information can't be taken from all the people that know you and be correlated? You mean that your internet company doesn't have the documents to prove that you're their customer, along with a list of the websites you visit? You mean that tracking devices and/ or criminalistics methods can't be used to show this?
Ok, well lets work this backwards. This websites server probably logs my ip. Is that ip me? No, it's a random number, not me. Ok, so where does that ip match up with? I'm assuming it doesn't get changed along the way, so in that case it'd be my companies proxy server. Well that proxy server isn't me either, so we'll have to ask it who that IP belongs to. Turns out that you then get another IP, well that's still not me, I'm no number. Trace that IP to my PC, so now we know that it originated from this computer I am currently sitting on, or so these words would have you believe.
Now it gets a bit more complicated. We could check the entire logs of the PC (simplified alot) and we'd find that the input came from either my attached keyboard or from somewhere else. Once you get onto the somewhere else part all you then know is that it came from another computer at any time in the past. If it came from the keyboard then you're left with having to prove I was the one who typed it. It could have just as easily have been a co worker, or some random person who walked into the building. I could go on and on here, but I think you get the point. After you get the evidence that I did type those words on the keyboard you still aren't done, you gotta fact check your evidence, how do you know how accurate that is? In the end you'd be dealing with some very complex physics problems and still not be conclusive. Science is just another religion. It adapts more quickly, and thus appears to be more logical, but it still is just a bunch of theories. Nothing can be proven true without a shadow of a doubt. There's things we just say are true because they're consistent enough that we must use them to create our reality.
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Indigenous
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OrgoneConclusion said: Dr. TZ,
To be a messenger of God all you have to do is to convince dim-witted others that you are such a messenger. (See: Jim Jones & Rajneesh & The Branch Davidians). Nothing else is necessary.
Focus on fringe cult leaders to make a point about religion. That will convince everyone.
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deranger
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The Last Ever God Thread
you're retiring?
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Indigenous
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Re: The Last Ever God Thread [Re: MushroomTrip]
#9638553 - 01/19/09 02:16 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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MushroomTrip said:
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Indigenous said: You build a theory that fits the facts you have.
It's nothing more than logic
Glad that you agree it is logical to believe in God. I guess this is the last God post ever.
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Re: The Last Ever God Thread [Re: deranger]
#9638555 - 01/19/09 02:16 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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If that were the case the thread's title would be God's Last Ever Thread.
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AlteredAgain
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I might like to question the source of this allegation. Who on earth is to say what the quality of God is?
IMHO any attempt to define God, to ascribe it a quality, to put into words that which is untouchable by language, is only conceptualizing. At best it solely reveals our human tendency to give labels to that which we do not even know.
Which isn't necessarily wrong. It's just nature. But that doesn't mean we need to be out disproving something we have no proof for in the first place.
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Re: The Last Ever God Thread [Re: Indigenous]
#9638572 - 01/19/09 02:18 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Indigenous said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: Dr. TZ,
To be a messenger of God all you have to do is to convince dim-witted others that you are such a messenger. (See: Jim Jones & Rajneesh & The Branch Davidians). Nothing else is necessary.
Focus on fringe cult leaders to make a point about religion. That will convince everyone.
I agree its wrong to focus on only the people who solidify your own beliefs but TBH i dont think OC's tryna convince anyone of anything, its the other way round
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Re: The Last Ever God Thread [Re: AlteredAgain]
#9638580 - 01/19/09 02:19 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Haha, I never looked at it that way. Why would anyone waste their time trying to disprove something that can't be proved to begin with. If you ever find yourself in an argument with a theist, it'd probably be a good idea to stop and ask yourself that question.
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Re: The Last Ever God Thread [Re: krypto2000]
#9638595 - 01/19/09 02:23 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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It is quite silly, yes. Sometimes I even forget to question my own position. Theists, atheists.. Heads, or tails.. WGAF, it's the same coin!
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Indigenous
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Re: The Last Ever God Thread [Re: Chronic7]
#9638599 - 01/19/09 02:23 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Chronic777 said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: Dr. TZ,
To be a messenger of God all you have to do is to convince dim-witted others that you are such a messenger. (See: Jim Jones & Rajneesh & The Branch Davidians). Nothing else is necessary.
Focus on fringe cult leaders to make a point about religion. That will convince everyone.
I agree its wrong to focus on only the people who solidify your own beliefs but TBH i dont think OC's tryna convince anyone of anything, its the other way round
If that's the case I'm done. I don't need to convince anybody.
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Chronic7
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Re: The Last Ever God Thread [Re: Indigenous]
#9638631 - 01/19/09 02:28 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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At the end of the day people who have not yet personally experienced God will always see those who say they have experienced God as delusional
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krypto2000
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Re: The Last Ever God Thread [Re: AlteredAgain]
#9638634 - 01/19/09 02:28 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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AlteredAgain said: It is quite silly, yes. Sometimes I even forget to question my own position. Theists, atheists.. Heads, or tails.. WGAF, it's the same coin!
Questioning my own beliefs is what gets me into trouble. I soon unravel it all to realize I don't believe anything and I'm left with nothing. It's best to just take things as they come imo, though rediscovering yourself on a good trip is a great reset from time to time.
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: The Last Ever God Thread [Re: Indigenous]
#9638664 - 01/19/09 02:32 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Indigenous said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: Dr. TZ,
To be a messenger of God all you have to do is to convince dim-witted others that you are such a messenger. (See: Jim Jones & Rajneesh & The Branch Davidians). Nothing else is necessary.
Focus on fringe cult leaders to make a point about religion. That will convince everyone.
(Lest you forget, Jesus was a fringe cult leader.)
Way to miss the point again and again. People today believe in many religions because they believe in the people that relayed the message. Disregarding the end result of these groups, how is that inherently different than the examples I gave?
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Chronic7
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Re: The Last Ever God Thread [Re: krypto2000]
#9638668 - 01/19/09 02:33 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said:
Questioning my own beliefs is what gets me into trouble. I soon unravel it all to realize I don't believe anything and I'm left with nothing.
To me thats not trouble thats freedom! If your left with nothing, what is left to take from you?
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Re: The Last Ever God Thread [Re: Chronic7]
#9638682 - 01/19/09 02:34 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, by nothing, I mean I then wouldn't even exist. I give up questioning far before that point when sober, it's hard to keep that train of thought for too long, tripping though I can get there. I love coming to that realization, well.. I love coming from that realization, but going through that realization can be traumatizing at times.
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Re: The Last Ever God Thread [Re: deranger]
#9638703 - 01/19/09 02:37 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Last Ever God Thread
you're retiring?
If not locked, this thread should be good for 53 pages. What more will there be to add?
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Chronic7
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The Last Ever God Thread
you're retiring?
If not locked, this thread should be good for 53 pages. What more will there be to add?
your own Self discovery of God?
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