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OfflinePeanuthead
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innoculating casings
    #962976 - 10/15/02 12:42 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

hihi,
I was wondering if anyone here has ever skipped the pk tek jars, and just innoculated their casings and had success?
if not do you guys think it'd be possible? and would using more spore juice (i'm using spore syringes) help my chances of it working?

thanks for any input

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Re: innoculating casings [Re: Peanuthead]
    #962986 - 10/15/02 12:45 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

casings should have little or no nutritive value so the mycellium should have nothing to eat and therefore shouldn't grow or at least should grow so slowly that contams will beat it. or so i'd guess.


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Re: innoculating casings [Re: Peanuthead]
    #962987 - 10/15/02 12:45 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Cakes or bulk subs , gotta make a choice . The mycelium needs a food source , so...... "NO"...... spores in just casing material probablly will not do much .
Got to the FAQS read all you can , make a choice , follow directions of choice , master method , then experiment .
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Re: innoculating casings [Re: Peanuthead]
    #962989 - 10/15/02 12:46 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

You'll grow green instead of shrooms. The mycelium needs a somewhat sterile environment to colonise (in cultivation, the jars; in nature, the inside of the cow turd, which is why in nature there are many more turds without shrooms, than turds with, cause its less sterile than the inside of a jar that has been pressure cooked. ) If you did this to maybe 100 casings, you may have a couple succeed. Just do the damn jars.


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Re: innoculating casings [Re: Skikid16]
    #963056 - 10/15/02 01:05 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

sorry, lemme try to re-explain it

go fuck your- no, i'm kidding =)

what i meant was, if i had a bottom sterilized layer of vermiculite, then a layer of sterilized brown rice flour/vermiculite, and THEN innoculated it, and if it worked i'd then add the casing mix.

sorry, i should've explained it better, my apologies

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Re: innoculating casings [Re: Peanuthead]
    #963070 - 10/15/02 01:11 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

You'd still need to have them in the jars, this allows the environment to stay somewhat clean, clean enough for the mycelium to colonise the substrate before some unwanted contam does.


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Re: innoculating casings [Re: Peanuthead]
    #963076 - 10/15/02 01:14 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

you will sterilize the substrate (brown rice/verm) in a container. once it leaves the container it will no longer be sterile = contamination. by the time (if) mycellium even starts to show you will have a pile of green crap. the idea is to sterilize, keep it sterile and allow mycellium to grow with no other organisms in competition. to keep the substrate sterile you must leave it in a sterile container = a jar. if THAT works, case it.


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Re: innoculating casings [Re: Peanuthead]
    #963080 - 10/15/02 01:16 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

First off .....that fuck yourself attitude will get you nowhere !
Make a choice BULK SUBS OR CAKES READ READ READ READ !
But yes many people case "old" cakes , but they use it to innoculate a bulk substrate . They also use them to start outdoor patches , look up MOES OUTDOOR TEK .
Try this
Sterilize some grain innoculate with culture grown on agar let fully colonize .
Then sterilize some sort of bulk substrate (worm castings , horse crap ,........) , then innoculate it with jars of grain , wait to fully colonized , then case with 50/50 mix .
I left out many details .........so READ READ READ READ READ !!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: innoculating casings [Re: Peanuthead]
    #963091 - 10/15/02 01:18 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Oh yeah, Read a little more.


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Re: innoculating casings [Re: tripndicular]
    #963121 - 10/15/02 01:26 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

damn negro, i was only kidding about the go fuck yourself thing

but if ya wanna take it seriously i wont stop ya  :grin:

the reason I wanted to just go to the casings is just cause it's simpler, and i'm more simple minded, hehe.  and the last time i used pf tek when i was using the pressure cooker i had a jar like explode on me once or twice, heehee. 

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Re: innoculating casings [Re: Peanuthead]
    #963141 - 10/15/02 01:32 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

I'm an albino , and if I took it too seriously I would not have offered more info , just letting you know , a lot of people will not take it light heartedly , and it could get you ejected from the forum . But on the funny side ............IF CLONING WAS LEGAL I would so i could fuck myself !!!!!!!! lol lol Have to stick to cloning mushies for now .
Good Luck .
READ ALL YOU CAN GET YOUR HANDS ON IS BEST ADVICE !


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Re: innoculating casings [Re: tripndicular]
    #963151 - 10/15/02 01:35 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

you can tell me to go fuck yourself all you want i like it  :grin:


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Re: innoculating casings [Re: tripndicular]
    #963411 - 10/15/02 03:10 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

You would fuck yourself?


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Re: innoculating casings [Re: Peanuthead]
    #963902 - 10/15/02 06:35 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

I had a similar question.
What about doing a bulk substrate and using a combniation of Hydrogen Peroxide and microwaving to 'sterilize' the PFjars?
Mix up your substrate, spray with H2O2 solution, put tray and lid in microwave and run it on high for 10minutes. Innocluate the medium, and case the resulting mycellia.
Or PF jars with microwaveable lids. Either spray filled jars with H2O2, or incorporate itin the jar mixture. Add coffee filters/filter disks and microwave.

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Re: innoculating casings [Re: Skikid16]
    #963984 - 10/15/02 07:05 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

But I bet you would watch huh skikid ?
Whats up dude , have convoed with you in awhile .


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Re: innoculating casings [Re: tripndicular]
    #964770 - 10/15/02 11:53 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

It would be quite the sight to see. Right on, by the way, I may be stupid but whats convoed?


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Re: innoculating casings [Re: Skikid16]
    #964933 - 10/16/02 12:45 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Tripindicular?? you seem confused.
Your only optons are deffinatelly not cakes or bulk substrates.
Your opions are, brf/verm cakes, grain subtrates for casings.
or dung/ straw substrates.

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Re: inoculating casings [Re: Peanuthead]
    #964978 - 10/16/02 01:02 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

There is something similar what you describe, I tried it several times though and failed.
Here:
http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_cultivation8.shtml

Edited by Anno (10/16/02 01:08 AM)

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Re: innoculating casings [Re: tripndicular]
    #965003 - 10/16/02 01:24 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

In reply to:

IF CLONING WAS LEGAL I would so i could fuck myself !!!!!!!!




Or if you had a longer, somewhat deformed penis that could be bent backwards while erect.

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Re: innoculating casings [Re: Peanuthead]
    #965085 - 10/16/02 02:02 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

I once tried something like what you're asking.. Back in the day when I was trying to use my creativity to revelutionize cultivating so I wouldn't need to expend the effort needed to make some cakes.. So anyhow, I took a tupperwear container with lid, put some BRF and vermiculite in it, with some water of course.. Sterlized it for a good hour (on and off) in the microwave and innoculated using an entire spore syringe.  Well...

End result I culitvated green goodness, and wasted a spore syringe.  Stick to the jars.  Once you get one batch done you can make it last a long time.  No worries.  Patience my man :smile: 


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Re: innoculating casings [Re: DocPsilocybin]
    #966048 - 10/16/02 01:55 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

k, thanks guys,

and fungor, that made me laugh  :smile:

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Re: innoculating casings [Re: Peanuthead]
    #966066 - 10/16/02 02:00 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

oh yeah, also, what could i use for filters for pf jars, cause I wanna leave the lids on loose, cause i think last time i tried growing that's why it was goin so slow (was over two years ago, can't really remember)

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Re: innoculating casings [Re: Skikid16]
    #966307 - 10/16/02 03:24 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

convoed ........conversed , talked , gabbed , BSed . Just some fucked up lazy way to say communicated .


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Re: innoculating casings [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #966315 - 10/16/02 03:26 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

I'm only as confused as I allow myself to be , but for simplicity and assumption sake , I felt this person needed to make a choice and follow through with one method , then experiment . It also appears they need to read some more . :cool: 
And "basically " there are two choices ...........cakes...........or bulk subs , how you innoculate them has options , what you use as a food source has options (i.e. grain , brf , agar ) You could even make cakes , crumble them up and put into a bulk substrate , anything bigger than my hand is bulk to me .


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Any information I give is not intended to aide you in the production of potentialy illegal substances !None of my exp comes from growing illegal varities , so take it as you will .
So with that said here is our mission statement .

Then the priest fell into a trance or swoon,& said unto the Queen of heaven ; Write unto us the ordeals; write unto us the rituals; write unto us the law !

Edited by tripndicular (10/16/02 03:54 PM)

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