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IllimitableNebul
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Cactus Chimera Aka Graft-Chimera
#9629729 - 01/18/09 01:55 AM (15 years, 13 days ago) |
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Has anyone heard of these? seems interesting to me and it makes me wonder if Ortegocactus macdougalii and Opuntia compressa can merge and become one why cant let say peyote and san pedro?
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kadakuda
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anything CAN, its just really rare.
here is one of mine. gymno and myrtle
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i'd love to see a loph/trich chimera, that would be extraordinary !
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What if you grafted a loph to a healthy trich vertically, and gave it very small space for growth. Would this force the tissues to twine and grow into each other?
By vertically I mean, cut down the center of the vascular ring an inch or so, depending on the size of the scion, then make a horizontal cut so the center of the vascular ring is exposed for an inch or so. Then graft the loph on so it is facing sideways. Then you could put something around the entire graph area so when it grows they are smushed into one another.
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Re: Cactus Chimera Aka Graft-Chimera [Re: Ledd]
#9631953 - 01/18/09 01:21 PM (15 years, 13 days ago) |
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this phenomenon is far beyond my powers of comprehension, i don't even really understand how it occurs let alone how one would go about emmulating it
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it would be awesome if we could figure out a way to force this.
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Re: Cactus Chimera Aka Graft-Chimera [Re: flangenips]
#9632425 - 01/18/09 03:00 PM (15 years, 13 days ago) |
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they are indeed very nice, but that's a non sponsor vendor site so posting links to it isn't allowed unfortunately...
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Re: Cactus Chimera Aka Graft-Chimera [Re: flangenips]
#9632430 - 01/18/09 03:01 PM (15 years, 13 days ago) |
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Playing God with cacti,ain't it fun
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Re: Cactus Chimera Aka Graft-Chimera [Re: KBG1977]
#9632471 - 01/18/09 03:12 PM (15 years, 13 days ago) |
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can you graph to an aureole?
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Re: Cactus Chimera Aka Graft-Chimera [Re: Ledd]
#9632493 - 01/18/09 03:18 PM (15 years, 13 days ago) |
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yes
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Does anyone have any pictures of what a sliced off aureole area looks like? Is there a vascular ring like if you cut off the tip? Is aureole grafting as successful as tip grafts?
So in theory, you could graph a dozen or whatever number of lophs to one Pedro?
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Re: Cactus Chimera Aka Graft-Chimera [Re: Ledd]
#9632559 - 01/18/09 03:31 PM (15 years, 13 days ago) |
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i have a feeling that may overwhelm the rootstock, I have seen like three at a time grafted however. There is a smaller vascular-like ring if I remember right.
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Re: Cactus Chimera Aka Graft-Chimera [Re: Cactusdan]
#9632648 - 01/18/09 03:47 PM (15 years, 13 days ago) |
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yeah the vascular tissue that runs to each aerole is very thin, and it does look similar to the central vascular tissue in cross section, just alot smaller.
led, in theory you can graft multiple scions to multiple points on a single stock, but obviously the growth potential for each scion is reduced.
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So it would really cancel out any advantages of grafting a scion.
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Re: Cactus Chimera Aka Graft-Chimera [Re: Ledd]
#9632837 - 01/18/09 04:27 PM (15 years, 13 days ago) |
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on a smaller stock yes, but imagine if it were a big old pedro stock with a massive root system that had the potential to play host to many scions
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I want to cut the top half off that main stalk and root it separately. And then graft 5 lophs to the branches, after I cut off a good length of each of them and root 5 more plants of course
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Re: Cactus Chimera Aka Graft-Chimera [Re: Ledd]
#9632886 - 01/18/09 04:37 PM (15 years, 13 days ago) |
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sounds good, just watch how far down the branches you cut, the core becomes woody on older growth and it's not ideal for grafting. it is better to just take off the tip where the tissue is fresh, but whatever floats your boat man
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Hmmmm good stinkin...
Well I have until spring to figure out what I want to do with it. Even if I only cut a few inches off the top, I can callous them over and just place them on the soil, or maybe an inch deep or so right? I just want to get 5 plants out of it if Im going to cut into it, plus shoots from the rerooted main stalk.
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Re: Cactus Chimera Aka Graft-Chimera [Re: Ledd]
#9632954 - 01/18/09 04:51 PM (15 years, 13 days ago) |
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i just stick the small tips on top of the soil to root after they are removed for grafting, but they are generally only an inch tall so alot don't survive so if your intention is to guarantee some new plants you would need to take a larger tip off 
i doubt the core on your branches will have got overly woody further down, they look like fairly new growth anyway.
back to the point of the thread lol... does anyone know exactly how chimeras are formed? i guess kada will know the answer to this...
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Re: Cactus Chimera Aka Graft-Chimera [Re: Ledd]
#9634926 - 01/18/09 09:56 PM (15 years, 12 days ago) |
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Does anyone have any pictures of what a sliced off aureole area looks like? Is there a vascular ring like if you cut off the tip? Is aureole grafting as successful as tip grafts?
there are pictures up on the web, but we cant link to them...so google it 
Cacti are neat (at least many cacti) because they not only have vascular tissue like everything but they also have something called cortical bundles, which are i guess similar to vascular tissue in that it keeps that fat ass cortex healthy. this is, i think, why grafts totally missing the vascular rings will still grow, slowly.....but grafting in the pith, especially woody (which are mostly dead cells) doesn't usually do shit.
so *usually* if you graft something to the healthy green flesh chances are you are going to hit something that will keep the scion alive its scion speed that counts, so choosing where to connect is important....also keep in mind many cacti send the auxins to the tip to stimulate growing, which means scions *usually* grow fastest if grafted to the tip rather than an areole half way down, for example.
grafting chunks, areoles, sections etc doesn't really help get chimeras. millions of cacti are grafted from chunks, and no chimera....its jsut a super rare occurance, and i too dont get how it works....but it does.
there are chimera in all forms of life, including animals (freaky!)
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