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How to grow and not get caught...
    #9627700 - 01/17/09 06:04 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

It's Elementary my dear Watson:
So Heres the TEK:

What you'll need
Two really close friends, One in the stix, and one that lives relativly close...(and has a really cleanfreak wife)(Helps);)

HOW TO DO IT:
1)at YOUR house, you can order a syringe, AND get it sent to your residence!
2) Do the PF tek, after 7:00pm, just late enough that the PC is cooling overnight...
3) Next Day, wake up just before the sun rises, and Knock em up, put em in a shoe box.
4) Drop them off at your boys house "the incubator" (the clean one; that lives close) on your way to work...:leaving::dancer:

5) Have him routinely check for contams; still good?:dancer: bad?:hulk:toss em.:thumbdown:

6) Once they're done; Take em to your OTHER boys house "The Fruiter" (in the sticks) for fruiting!:grin:

CONGRADULATIONS! You have nothing in your house that is illegal! (except for an hour that mourning)
EVERYBODY WINS! b/c the risk is "Absorbed" by the group...
The Fruiter is the only one who has to be paranoid;:uhoh:  kuz it's hard to hide a FC..(but not immpossible);) but see? that's why he lives in the stix, (off the radar) WAAAAY OUT.
TIPS AND TRICKS
Never tell ANYBODY ANYTHING.(not even the fruiter where the incubater lives)
NEVER TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ON THE PHONE!!! (not even a cell)
Ideal Fruiter...Doesn't have alot of people over. Doesn't have a big mouth. Doesn't smoke weed.:stoned2:  Trustworthy.
Ideal Inncubator... Older,Christian, outstanding citizens, clean house,clean cut,(no drugs) rich, believe it or not, people do exsist in this "realm of human" that still wanna trip! :eek:(i.e baby boomer hippis!) The kinda place that would NEVER get raided! (both places ideally)

SHARE ALL FRUITS:mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2: evenly amongst the three of you...

Well, ENJOY! (no more complaining that it's illegal K?);)

KEEP IN MIND:
I am in no way suggesting that you do this...nor making any claim as to say that this is the way thatI do it.(B/C I quit growin)(kuz I got busted)

and;But,so, IF I was to start back, this is the way I would go about it...as it seems fool-proof...and/but your
Comments are welcomed! Thanks for reading! :goodluck:


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: FellowGrower] * 1
    #9627762 - 01/17/09 06:17 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Worst tek ever. What's rule 1? Say nothing to no one man  :fearandloathing:


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: Gastronomicus] * 1
    #9627783 - 01/17/09 06:21 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

only thing i can say is thats 2 people too many
what if the guy growing them(in the sticks) gets popped
he will tell who he got them from
and  that guy will also tell where he got them
get what im saying?
TELL NO ONE

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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: FellowGrower]
    #9628076 - 01/17/09 07:19 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Involving three people in the conspiracy makes it much more illegal than if you were just doing it yourself. 

Also you have the risk of getting pulled over.

I am not sure why you don't incubate them at the fruiting site if you are going to do this at all.

Perhaps it would provide better security if you build something into a wall or a small subbasement.  Since drug dogs do not smell mushroom grows, some kind of false cabinet backing or something could likely conceal a grow from a team of cops.  There is a lot of slack space in between kitchen cabinets and in other parts of houses.

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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #9628685 - 01/17/09 09:36 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

3 can keep a secret....if 2 of them are dead.

Order discreetly, grow discreetly, and be known as the guy who "never does/has them" or, if you must, the "guy who can get some on the very rare occasion".

If you are known as the guy who always has them on deck, gives them for free, or grows, you WILL be caught...


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: FellowGrower]
    #9628995 - 01/17/09 10:50 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Worst Grow advice ever.

Especially considering you can't grow without being busted:
Proof


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: Crasher]
    #9629104 - 01/17/09 11:09 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Here's how it goes:

Acquisition:
Order spores with a money order.
Buy supplies with cash.
Tell no one.

Preparation:
Clear a day out of your schedule.
Create an alibi.
Turn phone off. Don't answer the door.
Prepare incubation area in advance.
Prepare jars/grain/substrate in early morning.
Knock up substrate after PC and substrate cools sufficiently.
Incubate accordingly.
Tell no one.

Fruiting:
Have FC prepared in advance.
Build in a location that won't be observed by casual observers.
Avoid "tells" like lights or running fans in the area.
Dry/dehydrate fruits in same location.
Tell no one.

Disposal:
Don't put colonized sub in trash blatantly. Either compost it in your garden, or bag it separately from household trash and hand carry it to the trash just minutes before scheduled pickup.
Or dump it at another bin in short walking distance. (Don't drive with it.)

Other tips:
Consider growing edibles to diffuse any suspicion about your hobby.
Don't host shady guests during any phase of a grow.
Don't start dating or break up during a grow.
Don't tell anyone.
Don't acquire "accomplices"
Don't brag about it casually.
Don't sell what you grow.
Don't travel casually with what you've grown.


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: Crasher]
    #9629125 - 01/17/09 11:13 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

do it alone in the sticks, cuts out 2 guys?:cool::thumbup:


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: anycolouryoulike]
    #9629609 - 01/18/09 01:17 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Didnt you get busted for growing, like awhile back?


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: nw_shroomy]
    #9629676 - 01/18/09 01:34 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

The OP got busted, if that's what you meant.


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: Crasher] * 1
    #9631196 - 01/18/09 10:55 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Now there is some good advice. :thumbup:
The funniest part about the OP's scheme is it involves the pf tek.


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: ChiefThunderbong]
    #9633776 - 01/18/09 06:51 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

LoL.

Ahhhh! I had forgotten how much I love this site!

:bowdown:Crasher, Where were you at 3 months ago!!!, Damnit, kuz you're SO right about the Dating advice, I started dating this chick, and now she's like a liability!!!:banghead::cruelworld: WTF!

NoobieShroomie, The point of this Tek would be, that even if the fruiter DOES get busted, its ON HIM! (not you) if the cops come to your house, you anit GOT SHIT!:grin: you're clean! WTF? don't you get it? the risk is absorbed by the group, and the fruiter is the only one that that COULD get busted, but then if he tells on you, IT WOULDN'T MATTER! b/c you have no evidence @ your house!,:thumbup:
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Thanks for linking my "busted" thread...I forgot to add that...:uhoh:
This Tek is meant for people that might not live "On their own"
Maybe like, in a trailor owned by their parents? (that come search it whenever they want)(b/c they had no place to go when they got outta jail)(but still wanted to grow)...not that that's my situation, just saying, like, you know, maybe, if someone was in a situation like that, this would be a good way...;)" But, yeah, I agree, it's not "Ideal" but if it works it works right?

In any case, stay on top of your game, and DON'T FUCK UP!
Thanks for all the advice!

Keep shroomin!

Peace!


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: FellowGrower]
    #9634061 - 01/18/09 07:39 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: mello]
    #9634150 - 01/18/09 07:52 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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...??? I don't get it? What?


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: FellowGrower]
    #9634969 - 01/18/09 10:04 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Setting it up so if one person gets caught you deny and let them rot if in-fact it was your intent to inoculate and use the product, is bad luck.


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: Prof. Astro] * 1
    #9636949 - 01/19/09 09:00 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

You're probably more likely to get busted moving jars between houses than you are growing in your own home.

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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: Brennus] * 1
    #9637116 - 01/19/09 09:44 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Problems


1.  You've told at least two other people and they likewise can tell others or rat you outght.
2.  You now have to drive in the car to transport htings. 
3.  You give other people evidence and a means to bust you.
4.  You've got three houses that could be raided or have evidence discovered accidentally

I say its better to not have given anyone the ability to bust you for growing.


If your friends tell the wrong person and get busted then they will likely tell on you (most people talk when the police come- its why the jails are so full).  When the cops say that they can help themselves by saying what happened the friends will listen.  They will be pissed you put them at risk for your benifit and in general people believe it when cops lie.


Will the cops likely allow the person to get immunity and bust you instead?  No.  But they don't have to cuz people are stupid.  They will say "I want to help you, but you need to tell me everything.  Who helped you?  Who told you how? "  When the friend believes this bullshit (after the cop lies and says its likely they'll get the maximum jail time which they cite) they'll rat you out.


You'll then be busted along with them.



This is the problem.  Telling people is what gets people busted.  After that, getting shit found in cars is bad.  And getting your house searched could lead to trouble.  Making 3 times the number of neccesary people involved and three times the number of houses plus cars involved is bad.



Grow by yourself or have your friend do EVERYTHING on his own so you can't be nailed as easily.  Don't work backwards from getting busted and think how to maximize your advantage, rather, work backwards from getting busted and worry about how not to get that way.

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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: FellowGrower]
    #9637150 - 01/19/09 09:51 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

> How to grow and not get caught...

... only grow where it is legal to grow.


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: Seuss]
    #9640134 - 01/19/09 05:58 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Seuss said:
> How to grow and not get caught...

... only grow where it is legal to grow.




Tell me where that is and I'll move there, lol.

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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: libertaire]
    #9640152 - 01/19/09 06:01 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

New Mexico


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #9640208 - 01/19/09 06:08 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Seriously?  I heard about the court ruling, but the current status of marijuana raids by the dea in states where it has been legalized, on the grounds that it's still illegal federally, caused me to cast some doubt.

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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: libertaire]
    #9641714 - 01/19/09 09:32 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=nm&vol=05ca-099&invol=2


You probably don't have to worry about the feds when it comes to growing mushrooms unless you far exceed the bounds of personal use.


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #9645703 - 01/20/09 01:14 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

You'll have to find a goddamn moron to run the fruiting operation.  Why does the fruiting guy even need the other two guys?  He's taking all the risk anyway.  Is this a troll?

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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: mrblonde]
    #9648044 - 01/20/09 07:29 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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You'll have to find a goddamn moron to run the fruiting operation.  Why does the fruiting guy even need the other two guys?  He's taking all the risk anyway.  Is this a troll?




Hey! Don't talk about my friends like that!(please) Why are they stupid? ...They don't want to "Learn How"...and, they don't have the time to prep everything and do all "The WOrk" ...but they still wanna eat free shrooms! so there!

...The OTHER "Cool" thing about this "Tek" is... the fact that, YOUR HOUSE,(where you inoculate) is clean, (like spic and span) and it'll stay that way, b/c you don't have to worry about your sub going south in your house!... And the shoe fits just as good on the other foot b/c, if a casing gets moldy, the fruiter can STILL FRUIT IT, and not worry about "Contaminating" the house! right? so...? yeah! And/but, hey!Don't be hatin just b/c you don't got friends that stupid! (lol)

If I was to ever grow again, this is definatley how I'd do it. Fuck the dumb shit; I anit havin NOTHIN in my house!

Dude, you GOTTA watch that movie in my sig...It'll change your life!


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: FellowGrower]
    #9648072 - 01/20/09 07:34 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I feel bad for whatever poor chumps actually listen to you.

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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: libertaire]
    #9648301 - 01/20/09 08:07 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

How do you convince the "fruiter" to do the op when he is carrying the most risk? of all the people who might get caught, he is the only one that will get fucked.

Also, if the other two get busted on unrelated charges, they could pin the fruiter trying to get a deal. Also, if any of the 2 other guys have a big mouth the operation gets fucked. You are introducing external factors (their mouths/friends) which you cannot control affect your grow op.

You'd never be able to convince me to be the fruiter. All the risk and 1/3 the reward?

You're much better off doing the whole thing yourself and not telling anybody. If you feel the need to share, charge them a small amount of money so they don't suspect you are growing. Don't be known to ANYBODY as they guy that grows or always has shrooms on deck.


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #9652333 - 01/21/09 01:40 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Gastronomicus said:
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=nm&vol=05ca-099&invol=2


You probably don't have to worry about the feds when it comes to growing mushrooms unless you far exceed the bounds of personal use.





I read that appeal, nice find...

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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: Seuss]
    #9655017 - 01/21/09 08:48 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

quote]Seuss said:
> How to grow and not get caught...

... only grow where it is legal to grow.




That's the best advice on this thread; because, In the end, It's not worth it... I compare it to like wearing a seat belt, yeah, its a stupid law. Yeah. its a little uncomfy, but if you get a ticket, or end up in a head on with some Drunk fucker, you quickly wise up to the fact that it's not worth not wearing it...
But in your head you say
"Yeah, but the chances of that happening are so slim to none that..."

Bla Bla Bla bullshit. You only learn from your own mistakes I guess,
but gettin busted, sucks more balls than all the "Joy" trippen for the rest of you life could bring you... It's not worth it! (believe me when I tell you!) ...

Its like, fuckin a random bitch without a condom... Is it worth it? ...anyone with an illegitmate child or some fucked up STD will tell you... "FUCK NO!"

Well, here I am, having been busted, Felony Charges, Lost a phat ass apartment, Lost my job, All my money, My car, I went from "Pretty well off" to instantly HOMELESS; with nothing! and so,  if the question is "Was some free shrooms worth all the bullshit you put all the people that love you thru?" (Bailing you out, etc.) ... and my answer,

HELL MUTHA FUCKIN NO! -Beleeeeve Dat!-

So the only question you should be asking yourself is... "Is it worth MOVING?"(To europe) ...And that answer depends on who you ask!

AND, Anybody that tells you that it IS worth it... Has never been busted. -The End-

I suppose I was pretty stupid about it though...LOL
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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: FellowGrower]
    #9657268 - 01/22/09 06:56 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

The difference is that the consequences of not wearing your seat belt is as a result of the nature of not wearing your seat belt.  The consequences of growing shrooms would normally just be having mushrooms, but because the state decides to create consequences of it's own to make things that are actually not dangerous appear dangerous, it now has consequences.  I don't run my life by what the state tells me and even if I got caught, yes it would brutally suck, but I refuse to let fascist clowns tell me what to do, even if they end up killing me for it.

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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: libertaire]
    #9661064 - 01/22/09 07:06 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

:banghead: Hey, More power to ya! :rockon: You do your thing then,:dancer: lol...:cruelworld:


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: FellowGrower]
    #9661099 - 01/22/09 07:09 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Here's a good tek for how to grow and not get caught. Don't ever read anything posted by FellowGrower ever.


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #9661237 - 01/22/09 07:25 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

:fearandloathing: Gastro, I like that... <steal>


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: Chief Broom]
    #9661876 - 01/22/09 08:50 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

:hulk:

...hey, to each his own...;)


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: libertaire]
    #9664544 - 01/23/09 10:41 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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The difference is that the consequences of not wearing your seat belt is as a result of the nature of not wearing your seat belt.  The consequences of growing shrooms would normally just be having mushrooms, but because the state decides to create consequences of it's own to make things that are actually not dangerous appear dangerous, it now has consequences.  I don't run my life by what the state tells me and even if I got caught, yes it would brutally suck, but I refuse to let fascist clowns tell me what to do, even if they end up killing me for it.





What do you mean?  Not wearing a seatbelt isn't a crime were you live?  Where do you live?  I thought the nanny state had expanded everywhere.

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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: johnm214]
    #9664604 - 01/23/09 10:55 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

No wearing you seatbelt is a law, here, I just mean that there's actual consequences to not wearing a seatbelt - i.e. if you crash you go through the windshield or get a lot more hurt than if you did wear your seatbelt.  If you grow mushrooms, the only real life consequences are the life of an organism.  How the state has the authority to make giving life to something illegal is beyond my comprehension.

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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: libertaire]
    #9664816 - 01/23/09 11:43 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Ok.

And if the law said "where your seatbelt prior to crashing through your window" you'd have a point.  It doesn't.  It says where your seatbelt or your a criminal in most places.


Just like growing shrooms is illegal regardless of whether you are causing harm to yourself.


I don't understand why you seem to infer it is somehow justifiable to criminalize something if you have good intentions or if it could hurt you.  Either you have a right to your body or you don't.  Just as seatbelt laws are generally bullshit, so are mushroom growing possesing laws too.


We need to stop accepting that the government has a right to take money from us, take property from us, or put us in jail if they don't like the decisions we make.  We need to decide what rights are in this country and enforce those with the law and leave everyone else alone.


Does anyone really believe that it is a right to have someone else where a piece of fabric over their boy while riding in the car?  That we should take things from them if they don't or put him in jail?  That we have a right to have another not grow a certain species in his house?  That if he does we should take shit from him or put him in jail?


This is the problem- people have no philosophy, the whole system seems very ad hoc.  And people seem to feel good about having a bad class they can look down on.  Blacks, drug users, other socially unacceptable people, people of another political party.


How many times does the news talk about "drug users" as if they are a monolithic group represented by the schizo on the corner who would be messed up regardless of his drug intake?  We should stop basing policy decisions on availability hueristics and logical fallacies and stop hurting people that have no hurt us.  I fail to see how punching someone in the face is any different then fining them, much less imprisoning htme, for growing a plant with their own resources on their own land that someone else doesn't like.

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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: johnm214]
    #9665812 - 01/23/09 02:56 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

...Uh, We're gettinga lil OFF TOPIC... This isn't about wether the laws Should be this, or should be that... We're talking about what they ARE, and how to get around them... And this is quite simple really...
"Don't colonize or Fruit'em at your house!" YOU DO the fun shit, the jar lids / grain and bulk sub prep, You build the Glove box, and make/get the spore prints, inoculate and soforth, then, take em to a friends house, "Set it and forget it" (kinda thing)_ I have yet to hear a decent argument against this method...(Besides bad karma) but even then, I'd rather have bad karma free, than good karma in a cell!

This method works for people who tend to have loose lips about it; b/c in this method, you can tell everybody (that you trust) that you're growin as long as you don't tell them WHERE. Of course they'll assume it's your house, but its not, so who cares!? and  The friend'll keep his mouth shut b/c its HIS ASS ON THE LINE! (NOT YOURS) so what difference does it make?

Oh and Libertaire, What do you mean you can't comprehend it? ...don't you see that if Shrooms were legal, people everywhere would be waking up to the shit the movie (in my sig) is talking about! ..."The Elite" can't be having that!!! ...Plus, remember, its ALL ABOUT $$$$. period.
if it was legal, "They" (the govt.) couldn't sell it! AND DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH $$$$ THEY WOULD "LOSE?" Oh, just about a hundred billion.
Do you know how much 1 billion is? Oh, just a thoasand Million!!!
so, just try and phathom how much fuckin money that is...


...a fuckin hundred, thoasand, million (100,000,000,000) ...that's alot...


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: FellowGrower]
    #9666176 - 01/23/09 04:03 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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...Uh, We're gettinga lil OFF TOPIC... This isn't about wether the laws Should be this, or should be that... We're talking about what they ARE, and how to get around them... And this is quite simple really...
"Don't colonize or Fruit'em at your house!" YOU DO the fun shit, the jar lids / grain and bulk sub prep, You build the Glove box, and make/get the spore prints, inoculate and soforth, then, take em to a friends house, "Set it and forget it" (kinda thing)_ I have yet to hear a decent argument against this method...(Besides bad karma) but even then, I'd rather have bad karma free, than good karma in a cell!




Try convincing the fruiter to carry all the risk and 1/3 the reward. He can also jip you if he wanted, because the cakes are with him. If HE is careless, that will get YOU in trouble. he might also want to grow his own shrooms, in which case he will, and it will be much tougher to convince him to keep a tub for you.

If you get pulled over driving cakes from place to place you can also get popped. If your fruiter gets busted and points the finger at you, the jars, glovebox, sporeprints etc will still land you in prison for conspiracy.
I don't trust anyone else with my safety. I'd probably be worried all the time thinking i'm about to get popped, because i'd have less control of the situation.

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This method works for people who tend to have loose lips about it; b/c in this method, you can tell everybody (that you trust) that you're growin as long as you don't tell them WHERE. Of course they'll assume it's your house, but its not, so who cares!? and  The friend'll keep his mouth shut b/c its HIS ASS ON THE LINE! (NOT YOURS) so what difference does it make?




Why don't you just grow your own and be the one that keeps YOUR mouth shut because its YOUR ass on the line? Also, if you tell someone you are growing, they are going to want to see your setup. Thats probably where you will say, "oh, its over at so and so's house..."

Whats so hard about keeping your mouth shut anyway? If you get raided and they find the other stuff, you will still be in trouble. I wouldn't want to get raided, even if they didn't find anything.

If you don't want to get caught, then don't tell anyone you grow. Its that simple. Its not worth it to brag. If you want to share, be careful about it but NEVER say "I grow mushrooms" to anyone or that will come back and bite a huge chunk out of your ass one day.


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: johnm214]
    #9667370 - 01/23/09 07:42 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Ok.

And if the law said "where your seatbelt prior to crashing through your window" you'd have a point.  It doesn't.  It says where your seatbelt or your a criminal in most places.


Just like growing shrooms is illegal regardless of whether you are causing harm to yourself.


I don't understand why you seem to infer it is somehow justifiable to criminalize something if you have good intentions or if it could hurt you.  Either you have a right to your body or you don't.  Just as seatbelt laws are generally bullshit, so are mushroom growing possesing laws too.


We need to stop accepting that the government has a right to take money from us, take property from us, or put us in jail if they don't like the decisions we make.  We need to decide what rights are in this country and enforce those with the law and leave everyone else alone.


Does anyone really believe that it is a right to have someone else where a piece of fabric over their boy while riding in the car?  That we should take things from them if they don't or put him in jail?  That we have a right to have another not grow a certain species in his house?  That if he does we should take shit from him or put him in jail?


This is the problem- people have no philosophy, the whole system seems very ad hoc.  And people seem to feel good about having a bad class they can look down on.  Blacks, drug users, other socially unacceptable people, people of another political party.


How many times does the news talk about "drug users" as if they are a monolithic group represented by the schizo on the corner who would be messed up regardless of his drug intake?  We should stop basing policy decisions on availability hueristics and logical fallacies and stop hurting people that have no hurt us.  I fail to see how punching someone in the face is any different then fining them, much less imprisoning htme, for growing a plant with their own resources on their own land that someone else doesn't like.




That's an extremely good point, you're right.  I wasn't trying to justify anything that the state does, in my eyes, the best state is a non-existent one, but as far as society goes, contrary to what people tend to believe, it does have the power to change the laws that exist.  Certain laws actually make sense (aside from the philosophical argument that any law is an unjust law, which I completely agree with), such as seatbelt laws, but if people actually thought about other laws, like the illegality of perpetuating a species that was likely here long before we were, I think things would be much different.

I do agree with you though, the fact that the state believes it's their right to take our property and our freedom is the most dumbfounding logic that has ever existed in history.  The fact that society as a whole allows it is even more dumbfounding.

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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: libertaire]
    #9667424 - 01/23/09 07:50 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Ha ha, ya this isn't a reply to anyone.....but for real.

As long as nobody knows that you are growing them and you aren't growing so much that they can smell fungus out int the street, your fine...and don't sell......or if you do just to one person........narcs are usually introduced or a friend that signs an affidavit/testifies.

Requires little power and virtual no smell........unless you have a nosy neighbor that wonders about your "canning habits" late at night....or a cop goes to the local hardware store to buy some jars for his wives garden/canning.....and asks why there are never any jars anymore and they tell him some funny guy has been buying them all up....


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9667472 - 01/23/09 07:56 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I've wondered about the jar thing.  I don't think that would be enough for them to get something on you.  As long as you have an alibi for it.

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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: libertaire]
    #9668225 - 01/23/09 10:01 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

...SO let me get this right, you're saying that "The Fruiter" rats me out, then they come find spores and a glove box at my house, and now they got me for "conspiracy?":eek:

lol. you all crack me up. Check this out,

The law works like this, It aint about "What they know" ...its about "What they can PROVE";)... and me having a glove box doesn't PROVE anything... They have to prove "Beyond a shadow of a doubt" that I'm involved, and they can HARDLY do that with no SOLID evidence... :biggrin:

oh, and YO! you gotta check out that movie in my sig man! You'll LOVE IT!


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: libertaire]
    #9668934 - 01/23/09 11:51 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, and I wasn't trying to say you disagreed with the longer part of my rant- just ranting.


Seatbelt laws may make sense but only in the sense they are unlikely to have unintended consequences and the punishment is generally acceptable relative to other victimless crimes.  I still disagree with them, but at least they don't create a black market with low barriers to entry, enormous profit opportunity with minimal effort and work, and an incentive for the most crazy irresponsible idiots to involve themselves and rob, burglarize, and kill whomever to get more of the valuable stuff or a larger share of the economy all the while supressing quality standards and pitting the government against its citezins in a war over their bodies paid for with my tax dollars.

So seat belt laws are great  in comparison- I agree.  bout the best victimless crime possible really.  Still crap though (though I do wear my seatbelt it isn't cuz the government wants me to).  :laugh:

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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: FellowGrower]
    #9669773 - 01/24/09 06:50 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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...SO let me get this right, you're saying that "The Fruiter" rats me out, then they come find spores and a glove box at my house, and now they got me for "conspiracy?":eek:

lol. you all crack me up. Check this out,

The law works like this, It aint about "What they know" ...its about "What they can PROVE";)... and me having a glove box doesn't PROVE anything... They have to prove "Beyond a shadow of a doubt" that I'm involved, and they can HARDLY do that with no SOLID evidence... :biggrin:

oh, and YO! you gotta check out that movie in my sig man! You'll LOVE IT!




It's called a witness.  When they can't find any other cultivation equipment at the fruiters house, they're gonna wonder where it is, and when your friend decides it's not fair that only he goes down, he'll tell them EXACTLY where it is.  When they find exactly what he tells them they'll find, then they have enough proof to take you down too.  It doesn't work.  Stop.

And no, I don't want to watch that stupid movie.

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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: libertaire]
    #9670336 - 01/24/09 10:33 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

your looking into my analogy to much, all it was meant to be was a parallel of something that is not worth the consequences...

Just b/c people do it, (all the time)(everywhere) doesn't mean it's worth it... Just means that some people (those people) don't really have a grasp on what the consequences are! kuz if they did, they would buckle up, regaurdless of the law, (like you)
But I understand that its not the same b/c legal consequences are the ONLY Consequences...But; you see what I'm sayin? right now, its not worth the legal consequences.


Libertaire- You're right, (maybe) Ideally, your "Friend" isn't a RAT, but if he is, then you can't control that right? so, yeah, is the Tek "Bullet Proof" ...no. But neither is growin em all yourself, so, yeah, there's gonna be SOME risk,...right? lol. AHHHH, BUT WAIT!...

-alternatively- if you wanted to be extra double paranoid/safe you could keep all YOUR SHIT, (SPores, Glovebox, Jars, WBS, HPOO, tyvek Etc.) at your NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS HOUSE! and whenever you had "Done your thing" you could just walk it over there and stuff it in the back of his garage somewhere!!:grin: Or, even better yet, you could use HIS house to "Do all your dirt" so, nothing, legal,or illegal  is EVER in your house, then it would work,:dancer: (It'd be a pain in the ass;:smirk: but) if your that paranoid, then you gotta do what you gotta do! RIGHT?:biggrin::dancer:

See? there's ALWAYS a way around it, just depends on how paranoid you are...but; if you ARE that paranoid,then stash your shit somewhere close by; Okay, NOW tell me how you could get caught? if nothing, and I mean ABSOLUTLY nothing,(related to mush cult) is EVER,(EVER EVER EVER EVER) in YOUR house,?

Where theres a will, there's a way.:biggrin:

In other words, to sum up this whole thread, the only way to grow, and ABSOLUTLY GAURAUNTEE (to the maximum ammount possible) that you will not get busted; is to have your ENTIRE operation in the hands of a few close freinds, @ different houses!
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...or is there something I'm overlooking? like, What if...??? What if what?

Okay, I thought of something, ALSO, always have SOMEONE ELSE bring shit from one place to the other.

Always remember, that what YOUR contribution is to the "Group" is the knowledge of What the fuck to do, and when! :biggrin: See?...You're the brains, not the brawn.  Ya'll form like voltron and you just happen to be the head... And as we all know, you can't "Live" without your brain... so you are the most crucial piece of the puzzle!

Okay, so... Any questions?


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    #9684998 - 01/26/09 08:04 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_(crime)

Participation in a crime is called CONSPIRACY. In other words, if you plan to rob a bank, buy a gun and do the planning, but someone else does the robbing, you get charged with conspiracy.

You think they are just going to let you off, and not charge you with anything?


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    #9685213 - 01/26/09 08:37 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

You know what? I hate to have wasted everyones time reading this b/c this is actually NOT how you do it, Turns out the fruiter will just eat all your shit...give you some crums, and then say..."Hey, if you're pissed about it, come get your shit..." lol. Oh well. Lucky for him, the fruits are not why I grow...(Kuz if they were I'd be done popped a cap in his punkass by now for eatin all my shit)

BUT ANYWAY! I ran across this gangsta shit right here and this is how you do it....Some Gangsta Shit

For the rest of us, Paranoia is a bitch, and it's just not worth the risk...BUT; IF, you can keep your mouth shut about it, AND, not post on here(or anywhere) ...AND JUST READ! and you have no life, and no friends, and no sex life, yeah, THEN it might be worth it! but having people over, fuckin random bitchs, its next to immpossible(for me) not to let SOMEBODY in on it, so, I give up...(for now) Then top all that off with THIS!!!A sad day in schlagersville

Theres only so much I can take you know?

Too many mold spores in my crib anyway... I fruited a contamed casing in this bitch for God SAKES! what was I thinkin? I wasn't thinkin, b/c if I was, I wouldn't have thought that!(it wouldn't destroy my future grows)

Oh well, I guess in the end, You live you learn... I had fun while it lasted but; It's not worth it. I'd rather be with my girl. b/c she's making me choose, her, or my hobby... and she's worth it (I don't know why I'm telling you all this) but,so, yeah! thanks for reading!
I'm a dumbass...
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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: FellowGrower]
    #13173178 - 09/09/10 11:23 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Yes , mr trabeck, what is a sociopath?

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