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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #9640208 - 01/19/09 06:08 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Seriously?  I heard about the court ruling, but the current status of marijuana raids by the dea in states where it has been legalized, on the grounds that it's still illegal federally, caused me to cast some doubt.

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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: libertaire]
    #9641714 - 01/19/09 09:32 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=nm&vol=05ca-099&invol=2


You probably don't have to worry about the feds when it comes to growing mushrooms unless you far exceed the bounds of personal use.


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #9645703 - 01/20/09 01:14 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

You'll have to find a goddamn moron to run the fruiting operation.  Why does the fruiting guy even need the other two guys?  He's taking all the risk anyway.  Is this a troll?

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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: mrblonde]
    #9648044 - 01/20/09 07:29 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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You'll have to find a goddamn moron to run the fruiting operation.  Why does the fruiting guy even need the other two guys?  He's taking all the risk anyway.  Is this a troll?




Hey! Don't talk about my friends like that!(please) Why are they stupid? ...They don't want to "Learn How"...and, they don't have the time to prep everything and do all "The WOrk" ...but they still wanna eat free shrooms! so there!

...The OTHER "Cool" thing about this "Tek" is... the fact that, YOUR HOUSE,(where you inoculate) is clean, (like spic and span) and it'll stay that way, b/c you don't have to worry about your sub going south in your house!... And the shoe fits just as good on the other foot b/c, if a casing gets moldy, the fruiter can STILL FRUIT IT, and not worry about "Contaminating" the house! right? so...? yeah! And/but, hey!Don't be hatin just b/c you don't got friends that stupid! (lol)

If I was to ever grow again, this is definatley how I'd do it. Fuck the dumb shit; I anit havin NOTHIN in my house!

Dude, you GOTTA watch that movie in my sig...It'll change your life!


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: FellowGrower]
    #9648072 - 01/20/09 07:34 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I feel bad for whatever poor chumps actually listen to you.

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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: libertaire]
    #9648301 - 01/20/09 08:07 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

How do you convince the "fruiter" to do the op when he is carrying the most risk? of all the people who might get caught, he is the only one that will get fucked.

Also, if the other two get busted on unrelated charges, they could pin the fruiter trying to get a deal. Also, if any of the 2 other guys have a big mouth the operation gets fucked. You are introducing external factors (their mouths/friends) which you cannot control affect your grow op.

You'd never be able to convince me to be the fruiter. All the risk and 1/3 the reward?

You're much better off doing the whole thing yourself and not telling anybody. If you feel the need to share, charge them a small amount of money so they don't suspect you are growing. Don't be known to ANYBODY as they guy that grows or always has shrooms on deck.


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #9652333 - 01/21/09 01:40 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=nm&vol=05ca-099&invol=2


You probably don't have to worry about the feds when it comes to growing mushrooms unless you far exceed the bounds of personal use.





I read that appeal, nice find...

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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: Seuss]
    #9655017 - 01/21/09 08:48 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

quote]Seuss said:
> How to grow and not get caught...

... only grow where it is legal to grow.




That's the best advice on this thread; because, In the end, It's not worth it... I compare it to like wearing a seat belt, yeah, its a stupid law. Yeah. its a little uncomfy, but if you get a ticket, or end up in a head on with some Drunk fucker, you quickly wise up to the fact that it's not worth not wearing it...
But in your head you say
"Yeah, but the chances of that happening are so slim to none that..."

Bla Bla Bla bullshit. You only learn from your own mistakes I guess,
but gettin busted, sucks more balls than all the "Joy" trippen for the rest of you life could bring you... It's not worth it! (believe me when I tell you!) ...

Its like, fuckin a random bitch without a condom... Is it worth it? ...anyone with an illegitmate child or some fucked up STD will tell you... "FUCK NO!"

Well, here I am, having been busted, Felony Charges, Lost a phat ass apartment, Lost my job, All my money, My car, I went from "Pretty well off" to instantly HOMELESS; with nothing! and so,  if the question is "Was some free shrooms worth all the bullshit you put all the people that love you thru?" (Bailing you out, etc.) ... and my answer,

HELL MUTHA FUCKIN NO! -Beleeeeve Dat!-

So the only question you should be asking yourself is... "Is it worth MOVING?"(To europe) ...And that answer depends on who you ask!

AND, Anybody that tells you that it IS worth it... Has never been busted. -The End-

I suppose I was pretty stupid about it though...LOL
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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: FellowGrower]
    #9657268 - 01/22/09 06:56 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

The difference is that the consequences of not wearing your seat belt is as a result of the nature of not wearing your seat belt.  The consequences of growing shrooms would normally just be having mushrooms, but because the state decides to create consequences of it's own to make things that are actually not dangerous appear dangerous, it now has consequences.  I don't run my life by what the state tells me and even if I got caught, yes it would brutally suck, but I refuse to let fascist clowns tell me what to do, even if they end up killing me for it.

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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: libertaire]
    #9661064 - 01/22/09 07:06 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

:banghead: Hey, More power to ya! :rockon: You do your thing then,:dancer: lol...:cruelworld:


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: FellowGrower]
    #9661099 - 01/22/09 07:09 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Here's a good tek for how to grow and not get caught. Don't ever read anything posted by FellowGrower ever.


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #9661237 - 01/22/09 07:25 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

:fearandloathing: Gastro, I like that... <steal>


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: Chief Broom]
    #9661876 - 01/22/09 08:50 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

:hulk:

...hey, to each his own...;)


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: libertaire]
    #9664544 - 01/23/09 10:41 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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The difference is that the consequences of not wearing your seat belt is as a result of the nature of not wearing your seat belt.  The consequences of growing shrooms would normally just be having mushrooms, but because the state decides to create consequences of it's own to make things that are actually not dangerous appear dangerous, it now has consequences.  I don't run my life by what the state tells me and even if I got caught, yes it would brutally suck, but I refuse to let fascist clowns tell me what to do, even if they end up killing me for it.





What do you mean?  Not wearing a seatbelt isn't a crime were you live?  Where do you live?  I thought the nanny state had expanded everywhere.

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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: johnm214]
    #9664604 - 01/23/09 10:55 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

No wearing you seatbelt is a law, here, I just mean that there's actual consequences to not wearing a seatbelt - i.e. if you crash you go through the windshield or get a lot more hurt than if you did wear your seatbelt.  If you grow mushrooms, the only real life consequences are the life of an organism.  How the state has the authority to make giving life to something illegal is beyond my comprehension.

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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: libertaire]
    #9664816 - 01/23/09 11:43 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Ok.

And if the law said "where your seatbelt prior to crashing through your window" you'd have a point.  It doesn't.  It says where your seatbelt or your a criminal in most places.


Just like growing shrooms is illegal regardless of whether you are causing harm to yourself.


I don't understand why you seem to infer it is somehow justifiable to criminalize something if you have good intentions or if it could hurt you.  Either you have a right to your body or you don't.  Just as seatbelt laws are generally bullshit, so are mushroom growing possesing laws too.


We need to stop accepting that the government has a right to take money from us, take property from us, or put us in jail if they don't like the decisions we make.  We need to decide what rights are in this country and enforce those with the law and leave everyone else alone.


Does anyone really believe that it is a right to have someone else where a piece of fabric over their boy while riding in the car?  That we should take things from them if they don't or put him in jail?  That we have a right to have another not grow a certain species in his house?  That if he does we should take shit from him or put him in jail?


This is the problem- people have no philosophy, the whole system seems very ad hoc.  And people seem to feel good about having a bad class they can look down on.  Blacks, drug users, other socially unacceptable people, people of another political party.


How many times does the news talk about "drug users" as if they are a monolithic group represented by the schizo on the corner who would be messed up regardless of his drug intake?  We should stop basing policy decisions on availability hueristics and logical fallacies and stop hurting people that have no hurt us.  I fail to see how punching someone in the face is any different then fining them, much less imprisoning htme, for growing a plant with their own resources on their own land that someone else doesn't like.

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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: johnm214]
    #9665812 - 01/23/09 02:56 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

...Uh, We're gettinga lil OFF TOPIC... This isn't about wether the laws Should be this, or should be that... We're talking about what they ARE, and how to get around them... And this is quite simple really...
"Don't colonize or Fruit'em at your house!" YOU DO the fun shit, the jar lids / grain and bulk sub prep, You build the Glove box, and make/get the spore prints, inoculate and soforth, then, take em to a friends house, "Set it and forget it" (kinda thing)_ I have yet to hear a decent argument against this method...(Besides bad karma) but even then, I'd rather have bad karma free, than good karma in a cell!

This method works for people who tend to have loose lips about it; b/c in this method, you can tell everybody (that you trust) that you're growin as long as you don't tell them WHERE. Of course they'll assume it's your house, but its not, so who cares!? and  The friend'll keep his mouth shut b/c its HIS ASS ON THE LINE! (NOT YOURS) so what difference does it make?

Oh and Libertaire, What do you mean you can't comprehend it? ...don't you see that if Shrooms were legal, people everywhere would be waking up to the shit the movie (in my sig) is talking about! ..."The Elite" can't be having that!!! ...Plus, remember, its ALL ABOUT $$$$. period.
if it was legal, "They" (the govt.) couldn't sell it! AND DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH $$$$ THEY WOULD "LOSE?" Oh, just about a hundred billion.
Do you know how much 1 billion is? Oh, just a thoasand Million!!!
so, just try and phathom how much fuckin money that is...


...a fuckin hundred, thoasand, million (100,000,000,000) ...that's alot...


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: FellowGrower]
    #9666176 - 01/23/09 04:03 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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...Uh, We're gettinga lil OFF TOPIC... This isn't about wether the laws Should be this, or should be that... We're talking about what they ARE, and how to get around them... And this is quite simple really...
"Don't colonize or Fruit'em at your house!" YOU DO the fun shit, the jar lids / grain and bulk sub prep, You build the Glove box, and make/get the spore prints, inoculate and soforth, then, take em to a friends house, "Set it and forget it" (kinda thing)_ I have yet to hear a decent argument against this method...(Besides bad karma) but even then, I'd rather have bad karma free, than good karma in a cell!




Try convincing the fruiter to carry all the risk and 1/3 the reward. He can also jip you if he wanted, because the cakes are with him. If HE is careless, that will get YOU in trouble. he might also want to grow his own shrooms, in which case he will, and it will be much tougher to convince him to keep a tub for you.

If you get pulled over driving cakes from place to place you can also get popped. If your fruiter gets busted and points the finger at you, the jars, glovebox, sporeprints etc will still land you in prison for conspiracy.
I don't trust anyone else with my safety. I'd probably be worried all the time thinking i'm about to get popped, because i'd have less control of the situation.

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This method works for people who tend to have loose lips about it; b/c in this method, you can tell everybody (that you trust) that you're growin as long as you don't tell them WHERE. Of course they'll assume it's your house, but its not, so who cares!? and  The friend'll keep his mouth shut b/c its HIS ASS ON THE LINE! (NOT YOURS) so what difference does it make?




Why don't you just grow your own and be the one that keeps YOUR mouth shut because its YOUR ass on the line? Also, if you tell someone you are growing, they are going to want to see your setup. Thats probably where you will say, "oh, its over at so and so's house..."

Whats so hard about keeping your mouth shut anyway? If you get raided and they find the other stuff, you will still be in trouble. I wouldn't want to get raided, even if they didn't find anything.

If you don't want to get caught, then don't tell anyone you grow. Its that simple. Its not worth it to brag. If you want to share, be careful about it but NEVER say "I grow mushrooms" to anyone or that will come back and bite a huge chunk out of your ass one day.


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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: johnm214]
    #9667370 - 01/23/09 07:42 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Ok.

And if the law said "where your seatbelt prior to crashing through your window" you'd have a point.  It doesn't.  It says where your seatbelt or your a criminal in most places.


Just like growing shrooms is illegal regardless of whether you are causing harm to yourself.


I don't understand why you seem to infer it is somehow justifiable to criminalize something if you have good intentions or if it could hurt you.  Either you have a right to your body or you don't.  Just as seatbelt laws are generally bullshit, so are mushroom growing possesing laws too.


We need to stop accepting that the government has a right to take money from us, take property from us, or put us in jail if they don't like the decisions we make.  We need to decide what rights are in this country and enforce those with the law and leave everyone else alone.


Does anyone really believe that it is a right to have someone else where a piece of fabric over their boy while riding in the car?  That we should take things from them if they don't or put him in jail?  That we have a right to have another not grow a certain species in his house?  That if he does we should take shit from him or put him in jail?


This is the problem- people have no philosophy, the whole system seems very ad hoc.  And people seem to feel good about having a bad class they can look down on.  Blacks, drug users, other socially unacceptable people, people of another political party.


How many times does the news talk about "drug users" as if they are a monolithic group represented by the schizo on the corner who would be messed up regardless of his drug intake?  We should stop basing policy decisions on availability hueristics and logical fallacies and stop hurting people that have no hurt us.  I fail to see how punching someone in the face is any different then fining them, much less imprisoning htme, for growing a plant with their own resources on their own land that someone else doesn't like.




That's an extremely good point, you're right.  I wasn't trying to justify anything that the state does, in my eyes, the best state is a non-existent one, but as far as society goes, contrary to what people tend to believe, it does have the power to change the laws that exist.  Certain laws actually make sense (aside from the philosophical argument that any law is an unjust law, which I completely agree with), such as seatbelt laws, but if people actually thought about other laws, like the illegality of perpetuating a species that was likely here long before we were, I think things would be much different.

I do agree with you though, the fact that the state believes it's their right to take our property and our freedom is the most dumbfounding logic that has ever existed in history.  The fact that society as a whole allows it is even more dumbfounding.

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Re: How to grow and not get caught... [Re: libertaire]
    #9667424 - 01/23/09 07:50 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Ha ha, ya this isn't a reply to anyone.....but for real.

As long as nobody knows that you are growing them and you aren't growing so much that they can smell fungus out int the street, your fine...and don't sell......or if you do just to one person........narcs are usually introduced or a friend that signs an affidavit/testifies.

Requires little power and virtual no smell........unless you have a nosy neighbor that wonders about your "canning habits" late at night....or a cop goes to the local hardware store to buy some jars for his wives garden/canning.....and asks why there are never any jars anymore and they tell him some funny guy has been buying them all up....


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