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Food planning for one month in bush
    #9626402 - 01/17/09 01:47 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

I am trying to get an idea of how much food I would need for one months worth of living in the bush. i want to keep things light and as low volume as possible.  Using my food dehydrator I am going to make some jerky, variety of fruit leathers, some vegetables and herbs to reconstitute for stews, and whatever else I can. 

Also plan on bringing protein powder, maltodextrin powder, nuts and seeds, and bottle of olive oil. 

As I am getting a little overwhelmed at all this (I tend to overthink everything), I could use some help.

What would you do if you had to haul one months worth of food?

Thanks :smile:

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9626447 - 01/17/09 02:02 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

Shroomism has some great ideas on dehydrated chow.

I consider peanut butter a staple. I usually take lots of protein powder too.

I'd say plan by calories. Depending what you plan on doing, 2000-3000 calories a day ould be good.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9626455 - 01/17/09 02:04 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

you should consider looking into what you can gather more so than what you can carry


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9626485 - 01/17/09 02:13 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9626506 - 01/17/09 02:18 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

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you should consider looking into what you can gather more so than what you can carry




Thats a good idea.  But at the moment, this is more about practice and fine tuning than anything else. 

I want to get an idea so I know how much volume and weight I am looking at.  Plus I want to try out the foods to see how I handle them.  I am not actually heading out till Summer, so I have some time.  I am going to take a 3 day survival course (1 classroom, 2 on a mountain) in May and plan on learning about the flora/fauna of the region (Central BC).

I treeplanted there last summer so I have a general idea of the weather patterns. 

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9626507 - 01/17/09 02:19 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

if you have an army surplus store nearby or im sure you can order them online
I would like at getting MRE's
they are specifically designed for high calorie meals to help survive on minimal intake
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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #9626710 - 01/17/09 03:07 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

Carry a small fishing kit with you if there are any streams, rivers, lakes, or ponds in the area that you'll be at so that you can catch fish to help supplement your diet. And take some snare wire to catch game. Also, consider taking dried beans, they're a good source of protein, are light weight and will keep for almost forever as long as you keep them dry. A couple pounds will feed you for awhile depending on how much you eat at a time. A cup of beans (dry measuring cup not by weight) is more than enough for one person per meal.

  Also be sure to take salt (real salt not that low sodium crap) with you (a lot of people seem to forget to), that way you not only can season your food but you can also use it to replace the salts you lose through sweating to help in re-hydration.

  This is assuming that you'll be backpacking everything in, for 25 to 30 days, 10 to 15 pounds of food for ONE person should do you IF you plan on supplementing your food stuff with wild game (rabbits, squirrels, etc..) and fish. 20 to 30 pounds if you don't supplement.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: gandalf579]
    #9626751 - 01/17/09 03:13 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

Thanks :smile:

Regarding the beans, any particular type?  Or are they all good?  Cause I can picture a wicked 7 bean stew with jerky and dehydrated veggies thrown in. 

Actually, what about green powders?  Would it be worth its weight? I really dont care about taste.  I just want it to be as small as possible. 

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9626811 - 01/17/09 03:22 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

Peanut butter, jerky, dried fruit, and grapenuts. You may want to check into weight gainer powders too.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: blewmeanie]
    #9626857 - 01/17/09 03:30 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

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Peanut butter, jerky, dried fruit, and grapenuts. You may want to check into weight gainer powders too.




Thanks, nice and simple.  Thats really what I want. 

Grapenuts? 

Regarding weightgainers, they are usually just a mix of protein and maltodextrin, both of which I am already bringing.  Maybe a small amount of dextrose powder as well for some quick release carbs.

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9626888 - 01/17/09 03:36 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)



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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9626935 - 01/17/09 03:45 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

I might bring bouillon. As long as you have clean water an a fire you can make some quick soup and it takes up no room but I'm not sure of the nutritional value (if any)


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9626984 - 01/17/09 03:54 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

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Thanks :smile:

Regarding the beans, any particular type?  Or are they all good?  Cause I can picture a wicked 7 bean stew with jerky and dehydrated veggies thrown in. 

Actually, what about green powders?  Would it be worth its weight? I really dont care about taste.  I just want it to be as small as possible. 

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Any type of beans that you prefer, myself, I usually take dried pintos. Dried split peas are good also, you get more volume to weight ratio than you do with beans. As to the green powders, I'm not sure what you are referring to. Is it powdered freeze dried leafy greens?

  Now as to the peanut butter idea, in my opinion it's not a good idea if the temps get high where you're going. If it gets too warm the peanut butter will turn rancid on you and make you sick if you eat it, especially if it's an all natural peanut butter.

  The bean stew is a really good idea. I make it into a soup instead of a stew myself. Just pour the water that you re-hydrate your jerky with into the pot, instead of throwing it out, and it not only makes it all the better, it makes it more "restorative".


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: CosmicFool]
    #9627151 - 01/17/09 04:23 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

Thanks for all the replies so far.

My objective in exercise as of late has been to train my body to ultimate efficiency.  I am working with kettlebells and body weight exercices to increase my bodies glycogen storage potential.

I figure if I can get my glycogen levels up really high, and maybe store a few pounds of extra fat before I leave I can count that towards my packed totals.  I figure 10 pounds of fat (which is pretty easy and safe to gain over 5 months) would give me a total of 35000 extra calories (3500 calories/pound). So if I burn 1000 calories a day just by walking (of which fat is the primary fuel source), I can pack a lot less food, say 2000 cal per day instead of 3000.

Which brings the total amount of calories to 56000 (2000/day @ 28 days).  I figure if I follow the 40:30:30 ratio i should be OK.  So 5600g protein, 4200g carbs, 1800g fat.  In pure form that is already 25 1/2 lbs.

I figure that I can bring whatever foods I like, and just supplement to get the totals I need(using protein powder, maltodextrin powder, and olive oil.

Does this make sense doing it this way?  Or is this just another example of me over-thinking things

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: gandalf579]
    #9627200 - 01/17/09 04:30 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

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As to the green powders, I'm not sure what you are referring to. Is it powdered freeze dried leafy greens?





Its a blend of a huge array of powdered greens.  The one I would be using is called Greens+ (if anybody know of a better one let me know).  Check it out here.

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9627372 - 01/17/09 05:00 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

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Quoiyaien said:
Thanks for all the replies so far.

My objective in exercise as of late has been to train my body to ultimate efficiency.  I am working with kettlebells and body weight exercices to increase my bodies glycogen storage potential.

I figure if I can get my glycogen levels up really high, and maybe store a few pounds of extra fat before I leave I can count that towards my packed totals.  I figure 10 pounds of fat (which is pretty easy and safe to gain over 5 months) would give me a total of 35000 extra calories (3500 calories/pound). So if I burn 1000 calories a day just by walking (of which fat is the primary fuel source), I can pack a lot less food, say 2000 cal per day instead of 3000.

Which brings the total amount of calories to 56000 (2000/day @ 28 days).  I figure if I follow the 40:30:30 ratio i should be OK.  So 5600g protein, 4200g carbs, 1800g fat.  In pure form that is already 25 1/2 lbs.

I figure that I can bring whatever foods I like, and just supplement to get the totals I need(using protein powder, maltodextrin powder, and olive oil.

Does this make sense doing it this way?  Or is this just another example of me over-thinking things

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Actually, no it doesn't make sense. By exercising, you're burning off the fat you are trying to gain and by getting your body to ultimate efficiency, you won't be able to gain fat the way you describe. Supplementing with powders is ok but you need to keep in mind the containers they are in will take up a lot of room and if the powders get wet they will be essentially useless to you.

As to the Green+ powder, I've never used it so I wouldn't know if it's good or not.

The main thing you need to keep in mind is that you don't want to feel hungry after you eat because feeling hungry will pretty much ruin the experience.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: gandalf579]
    #9627560 - 01/17/09 05:29 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

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Actually, no it doesn't make sense. By exercising, you're burning off the fat you are trying to gain and by getting your body to ultimate efficiency, you won't be able to gain fat the way you describe.
 




Regarding the training protocol, it is rather complex and longwinded, but it involves a lot of cycling (nutrients, meal timings and ratios, workout intensity, rep range, weight etc...).  To gain weight, I simply need to eat more calories than I burn.  I have never had a problem in that regard. :smirk:

I am just wondering whether stored fat could count towards food totals? 

As for the greens, I would probably keep them (with all my other food) in bags instead of bulky containers. A month supply weighs about a pound, so I think I may bring some along. 

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: gandalf579]
    #9627571 - 01/17/09 05:31 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

The best thing you can do is start training your body NOW to survive on less food. You can train your body to become a more metabolic efficient machine. If you stop eating until you are FULL, and instead just eat until you are no longer hungry, then slowly reduce the amount you eat, you will find after a week or 2 you can eat ALOT less and still have plenty of energy. If you exercise on a low calorie diet your body becomes more efficient. The key is a very gradual and steady drop in caloric intake. Your body needs time to adjust. Which is why if you start now you will not run into any issues.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: boletusoftruth]
    #9627622 - 01/17/09 05:41 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

Do you have a vehicle to bring this stuff with you or are you going to carry it by back?

If it's by back, then goooood luck :lol:. That's going to be a massive bitch.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: boletusoftruth]
    #9627634 - 01/17/09 05:44 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

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The best thing you can do is start training your body NOW to survive on less food. You can train your body to become a more metabolic efficient machine. If you stop eating until you are FULL, and instead just eat until you are no longer hungry, then slowly reduce the amount you eat, you will find after a week or 2 you can eat ALOT less and still have plenty of energy. If you exercise on a low calorie diet your body becomes more efficient. The key is a very gradual and steady drop in caloric intake. Your body needs time to adjust. Which is why if you start now you will not run into any issues.




With this in mind, I wonder just how little one could get away with eating, and still remaning healthy and functional?

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9627699 - 01/17/09 06:04 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

Look at some of the eastern cultures, the monks in Nepal and shit like that. They can fast for a week and not really have any ill effects. Hunger is a natural response to an empty stomach, your brain telling you, hey some food would help. However once your body gets used to having a low volume intake, your brain doesn't tell you I'm hungry if you consistently eat little food. Wrestling in high school taught me all about it. My last year I started the season at about 155, cut down to 130 for the matches. By the end of the season, I didn't really have to eat at all. A peanut butter and jelly sandwich would feel like a thanksgiving feast.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: PyroBurns]
    #9627756 - 01/17/09 06:16 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

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Do you have a vehicle to bring this stuff with you or are you going to carry it by back?

If it's by back, then goooood luck :lol:. That's going to be a massive bitch.




Actually if you plan it right, it's not that bad. Back in Alaska, I go on what I call "wanderings" (what the Aussies call a "walkabout") for 30 to 40 days at a time and I backpack everything. 15 pounds of food (dried beans, jerky, flour, sugar, tea, salt, spices, etc...) 10 pound shotgun plus ammo (for protection against bears and moose and for hunting) 15 to 20 pounds of miscellaneous things (1/4 of a pound of weed, cloths, sleeping bag, tent, fishing kit, first aid kit, cooking kit, rope, fire starter, etc...) Total of 40 to 45 pounds (1/4 of my body weight) most of which is either in or on my backpack. Not including my belt knife and what I carry in my pockets. With a properly fitted pack and properly balanced, it's not that bad and the longer I go, the less my pack weights.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9628140 - 01/17/09 07:30 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

Yeah we were talking about this in the Outdoors forum.. check there for some insight.
One thing I had forgotten which someone mentioned is hemp seed. It's nutrition to weight ratio is through the roof. You could literally survive on that alone (and water) for a month... and quite healthily.. if you really wanted to. Loaded with (easily digested) protein and fats, omega-3s, and tons of vitamins. It basically has everything the human body needs to survive, in ideal proportions.

I do NOT recommend fasting while living in the bush. While fasting has its time and place.. that is not the situation to be doing it in. Your body will probably be exerting a LOT more calories than normal - and unless you plan on meditating under a tree all day - you need to fuel your body with plenty of fat and calories to keep energy levels high. In any type of potential survival situation that is just asking for trouble, you need all the energy you can get. You do NOT want to starve your body of the calories and nutrients it needs and deserves.

Also, if I am not mistaken.. I believe reading that these monks in Nepal that would fast for weeks at a time.. were not fasting completely.. some of them ate a couple hemp seeds a day. It's pretty much the single most nutritious plant on Earth that we know of, perhaps right alongside of Seaweed and Chlorella.

As for other foods, I consider peanut butter, tuna (in the foil packs - not the cans) , and chocolate to be staples. Jerky is excellent too. Since you have access to a dehydrator, use that to your advantage and make sure you bring plenty of dehydrated vegetables and fruits, and beans. Quick and easy soups, and fruit you can snack on. I usually like to bring a flatbread of some kind, that doesn't get smashed and will stay good for a while, and if I'm feeling froggy some kind of hardish cheese that wont go bad in a day unrefrigerated. For food you pack in, you are looking at two things primarily: light as possible, and most calories-per-weight, and then of course you want to make sure you are getting a semi-balanced diet with the right vitamins and whatnot. And of course... GORP.

Aside from what you pack, you should highly consider acquiring food from the environment. Can you fish there? What types of plant life thrive there? Get familiar with what type of edible plants are in that area and maybe even bring an edible plants guide. There are millions of edible plants and mushrooms, etc.. as long as you know exactly what you are eating. And when you can make a fresh salad out of leaves and tasty flowers you just picked, that's something awesome. But learn the area and learn what grows there.. because chances are you will have to feed off the land or at least supplement your diet with it, unless you plan on packing in 1 months worth of food.. which is.. highly unlikely.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Shroomism]
    #9628155 - 01/17/09 07:32 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

I actually lived off of hemp seeds for three days. I didn't feel very good but it wasn't the worst thing ever.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: PyroBurns]
    #9628173 - 01/17/09 07:35 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

Your not feeling very good probably had more to do with the radical change in your diet than it did the hemp seeds themselves, imo.
In any type of diet if you make a dramatic change the body will take a few days to adjust.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush (moved) [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9630516 - 01/18/09 07:03 AM (15 years, 13 days ago)

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: gandalf579]
    #9632339 - 01/18/09 02:40 PM (15 years, 12 days ago)

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Do you have a vehicle to bring this stuff with you or are you going to carry it by back?

If it's by back, then goooood luck :lol:. That's going to be a massive bitch.




Actually if you plan it right, it's not that bad. Back in Alaska, I go on what I call "wanderings" (what the Aussies call a "walkabout") for 30 to 40 days at a time and I backpack everything. 15 pounds of food (dried beans, jerky, flour, sugar, tea, salt, spices, etc...) 10 pound shotgun plus ammo (for protection against bears and moose and for hunting) 15 to 20 pounds of miscellaneous things (1/4 of a pound of weed, cloths, sleeping bag, tent, fishing kit, first aid kit, cooking kit, rope, fire starter, etc...) Total of 40 to 45 pounds (1/4 of my body weight) most of which is either in or on my backpack. Not including my belt knife and what I carry in my pockets. With a properly fitted pack and properly balanced, it's not that bad and the longer I go, the less my pack weights.




That sounds amazing!  I would totally like to do just that someday.  How often do you do this sort of thing?

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9633418 - 01/18/09 06:02 PM (15 years, 12 days ago)

don't forget to exercise proper food storage unless you want to wake up to an ass-pounding by a bear or mountain lion.

stuff like tying your food up in trees, kitchen away from camp and burning away all food particles. and don't forget to wash/wipe your mouth... :wink:


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9638807 - 01/19/09 02:52 PM (15 years, 11 days ago)

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Do you have a vehicle to bring this stuff with you or are you going to carry it by back?

If it's by back, then goooood luck :lol:. That's going to be a massive bitch.




Actually if you plan it right, it's not that bad. Back in Alaska, I go on what I call "wanderings" (what the Aussies call a "walkabout") for 30 to 40 days at a time and I backpack everything. 15 pounds of food (dried beans, jerky, flour, sugar, tea, salt, spices, etc...) 10 pound shotgun plus ammo (for protection against bears and moose and for hunting) 15 to 20 pounds of miscellaneous things (1/4 of a pound of weed, cloths, sleeping bag, tent, fishing kit, first aid kit, cooking kit, rope, fire starter, etc...) Total of 40 to 45 pounds (1/4 of my body weight) most of which is either in or on my backpack. Not including my belt knife and what I carry in my pockets. With a properly fitted pack and properly balanced, it's not that bad and the longer I go, the less my pack weights.




That sounds amazing!  I would totally like to do just that someday.  How often do you do this sort of thing?

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  I try to do it at least once a year but sometimes I get to do it twice a year. If I only do it once it is around mid to late summer to early fall, it's EXTREMELY HARD to survive in middle Alaska in the winter but it can be done IF you can have supplies flown in at least once a month. When I go on a wandering twice a year one trip is in the late spring into early summer and the other trip is in late summer to early fall.

  You need to keep in mind that I received my mountain and winter survival training from the U.S. Marine Corps.(which happens to take place in Alaska) and that I have a very intimate knowledge of what is edible and where it can be found in Alaska and that I am a very skilled outdoors-man. I also just happen to like the solitude when I go on my own, gives me plenty of time by myself to get me through the rest of the year around others.

  One thing I forgot to mention in my earlier post was that another good thing to take with you is an emergency G.P.S. locator beacon in case something happens and you can't get out on your own. Good ones aren't cheap but they can save your life. Also, it's always a good idea to leave a travel plan with someone you trust that includes where you plan on going and the time you should be back so that the searchers can find you if it should become necessary. All I ever do is give a rough time when I plan to come back and a very rough direction (like north, south, east, west) that I'm heading to but no locations because when I take off I don't necessarily want to be found.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9658672 - 01/22/09 12:34 PM (15 years, 9 days ago)

For a month you would have to be willing to carry a shitload of weight. I suggest all dried foods that are concentrated nutrition. Jerky is good.

Better yet, carry an ultalight fishing pole or survival 22. You can feed yourself quite well this way and save a ton of weight and also have fresh food that really nourishes you and gives great energy.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Icelander]
    #9658728 - 01/22/09 12:43 PM (15 years, 9 days ago)

The .22 can also help in urban survival. :yesnod:


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    #9658734 - 01/22/09 12:45 PM (15 years, 9 days ago)

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Icelander]
    #9658791 - 01/22/09 12:56 PM (15 years, 9 days ago)

True, but grumpy old men have more flavor.:drooling:


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    #9659723 - 01/22/09 03:40 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

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For a month you would have to be willing to carry a shitload of weight. I suggest all dried foods that are concentrated nutrition. Jerky is good.

Better yet, carry an ultalight fishing pole or survival 22. You can feed yourself quite well this way and save a ton of weight and also have fresh food that really nourishes you and gives great energy.




Yeah, I think that hunting/fishing is the way to go. I saw a wilderness survival video called the "Art of Nothing" and it made me rethink this packing everything in crap.  That would be way to heavy.  I put together a list of food for 28 days @ 2500 cal a day:

Hemp seeds: 7kg -- 37200 cal
Almonds: 500g -- 3035 cal
Beef jerky: 1kg -- 3000 cal
Dried beans: 4 cups -- 1280 cal
Pureed fruit leathers: 28 total @ 200cal a piece -- 5600 cal
Dehydrated veggies: garlic, onions, carrots, celery, potatoes, ground up for use in soup stock
Green powder: 28 days worth @ 2tsp/day
Maltodextrin: 2.5kg -- 10000 cal
Olive oil: .5L -- 4000 cal
Just add water pancake mix: 500g -- 2200 cal
Brown sugar: 2 cups tightly packed -- 1800 cal
Protein powder: 800g -- 2800 cal
And some vitamins

That works out to roughly 71000 calories, and 17kg or so.  That is way too much to haul in.  So hunting and fishing it is.  I will still bring in a few pounds of hemp seeds and a few other things but no more than 10-15 lbs worth of food.  My pack is slowly building itself (well the materials anyway, going to wait until I have all my gear before I buy a new pack) and I am getting more and more excited by the day.  As for my destination, I will be heading up north just past 108 mile house (Williams Lake, BC) sometime in August.  I managed to score a decent amount of dried peyote buttons, so those are coming too :grin:  as well as a 10 strip of LSD and an oz of weed.

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9659851 - 01/22/09 04:01 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

Nice, sounds like you are well on your way. Planning is k3y.
Yeah... for an entire month out in the bush.. there is pretty much no way you can haul that much food in. Hell, a weeks worth of food for me backpacking, is probably around 15 lbs or more, not counting whatever water I carry. So definitely plan to do some hunting and fishing and perhaps some foraging and edible wild plants to feed yourself as well.

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    #9660032 - 01/22/09 04:34 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

I am not really sure a this point, as I am not really familiar with that aspect.  Up till now, all my wilderness treks have been for practice of minimalist camping, so I have only used a standard day pack. 

As for tents I am probably going to get one of those zipper hammocks as they tend to take up very little space compared to a tent.  Though I would really like to build my own shelter so I have something to do.  I am going to set up a little hub, and go on 1-3 day trips to explore the area.  I dont mind hauling a lot of stuff with me initially, as once I get to my desired campsite everything comes off and I will set up a little pack for my journeys. 

I think I am going to go buy a gun to take with me as that will probably help a lot.  Also, I have always been fond of the idea of going into the wilderness with a katana for protection.  I think that would be sweet as hell to have a fucking katana in the bush...    :ninjaguy: 

Realistically though a gun would be the way to go.  I would feel so much safer if I had a rifle or something.  I would probably want to make a bow and arrow as well just to practice the craft. 

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9660054 - 01/22/09 04:37 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

Check out the Henry Survival 22. It weighs two and a half lbs and packs into it's own stock. It sets up in about 20 seconds. BTW, small birds are good to eat as are most snakes and rodents. If you want details then PM me.


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    #9660118 - 01/22/09 04:48 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

For shelters, you should consider buying "Shelters, Shacks, and Shanties" by D. C. Beard. Has just about every type of wilderness shelter you could think of and how to build them. For a gun, you should consider a 12 gauge shotgun (pump or auto) with 2 types of ammo, some 00 steel shot and/or slugs (pumpkin balls/ deer slugs) (for protection against bears and moose) and some bird or varmint shot for small game (rabbits, squarels, etc.).


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    #9660199 - 01/22/09 04:58 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

Hmmm

I would like to get it soon as I want to hit up a gun range to get familiar with it.
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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: gandalf579]
    #9664460 - 01/23/09 10:27 AM (15 years, 8 days ago)

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For shelters, you should consider buying "Shelters, Shacks, and Shanties" by D. C. Beard. Has just about every type of wilderness shelter you could think of and how to build them. For a gun, you should consider a 12 gauge shotgun (pump or auto) with 2 types of ammo, some 00 steel shot and/or slugs (pumpkin balls/ deer slugs) (for protection against bears and moose) and some bird or varmint shot for small game (rabbits, squarels, etc.).




A shotgun and ammo would be way too heavy for carrying any length of time. Also unless you are an expert I wouldn't challenge a moose or bear with a shotgun. A big danger is over confidence.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9664506 - 01/23/09 10:33 AM (15 years, 8 days ago)

Stick with an ultra light 22. They are the most versatile survival gun made. You can even take large game with them if necessary. The ammo is light so you can carry plenty, the gun is also light so you won't mind carrying it nearly as much.

Check out the Henry survival 22. Or if you want something special, the stainless steel Marlin Papoose. The Marlin weighs twice what the Henry does but comes with a flotation case and will not rust if it gets wet or humid. It also has much better sights which I really like and holds much better and is much sturdier. If I had to totally depend on it, it's the one I would choose hands down. Get an extra clip in case one fails. Then make sure you go and practice a lot with it before you use it in the back country. Know your gun and gun safety.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Icelander]
    #9665491 - 01/23/09 01:56 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

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Stick with an ultra light 22. They are the most versatile survival gun made. You can even take large game with them if necessary. The ammo is light so you can carry plenty, the gun is also light so you won't mind carrying it nearly as much.





Light is definitely my friend.  I have no intentions on hunting big game, and really just want to have a gun for peace of mind and small game.  There is LOTS of grouse in the area so i could probably live off that for the whole time.  Plus I have a fishing pole and some basic tackle so fish is there as well.  Thanks for the input :smile:

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9665721 - 01/23/09 02:35 PM (15 years, 7 days ago)

In the High Desert areas I frequent we have sage hens which are as big as chickens. They are easy to hunt at water holes and one can feed you and a friend for a day. I used to give the parts I didn't want to my dog so I could use his dog pack to carry some of my gear.:grin: He never knew.


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    #9666565 - 01/23/09 05:13 PM (15 years, 7 days ago)

After reading a bunch of reviews, I have decided to get the Papoose as 3.25 lbs isnt that much, and reliability is a big plus with this one.  What do you think, should I get a scope to go with it?

Any advice on which ammo to buy?  I will be getting a few extra 10 round clips as well.  However that wont be for another month or two as I have to wait for my firearms license to get approved.

Now on with the rest of the gear. 

I am also going to grab a Victorinox Rucksack:


This will accompany my SOG Trident 2.0 (you can see it in the thread "Show me your blades")

First I am going to get all my clothing together.  Then I will figure out the rest of the gear I am going to be bringing. 

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Icelander]
    #9672006 - 01/24/09 04:49 PM (15 years, 6 days ago)

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For shelters, you should consider buying "Shelters, Shacks, and Shanties" by D. C. Beard. Has just about every type of wilderness shelter you could think of and how to build them. For a gun, you should consider a 12 gauge shotgun (pump or auto) with 2 types of ammo, some 00 steel shot and/or slugs (pumpkin balls/ deer slugs) (for protection against bears and moose) and some bird or varmint shot for small game (rabbits, squirrels, etc.).




A shotgun and ammo would be way too heavy for carrying any length of time. Also unless you are an expert I wouldn't challenge a moose or bear with a shotgun. A big danger is over confidence.




  The shotgun is not for CHALLENGING bears or moose, it's for PROTECTION AGAINST grizzlies and moose. (The OP is going to be in Canada after all.) If you have a big ass grizzly coming at you, you definitely want something bigger than a little .22. You shoot a charging grizzly bear or a charging moose with a .22 and it will ignore it and keep coming! (a .22 won't even pierce the hide of either one except at extremely close range,it'll feel like a flea/fly bite.) A shotgun will either discourage it or stop it in its tracks.

  A 12 gauge shotgun and ammo only weights a little over 10 pounds, 10 pounds that can save your life if the need arises. I NEVER go camping in eastern Alaska or western Canada without one.


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    #9672219 - 01/24/09 05:25 PM (15 years, 6 days ago)

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  The shotgun is not for CHALLENGING bears or moose, it's for PROTECTION AGAINST grizzlies and moose. (The OP is going to be in Canada after all.) If you have a big ass grizzly coming at you, you definitely want something bigger than a little .22. You shoot a charging grizzly bear or a charging moose with a .22 and it will ignore it and keep coming! (a .22 won't even pierce the hide of either one except at extremely close range,it'll feel like a flea/fly bite.) A shotgun will either discourage it or stop it in its tracks.

  A 12 gauge shotgun and ammo only weights a little over 10 pounds, 10 pounds that can save your life if the need arises. I NEVER go camping in eastern Alaska or western Canada without one.




You have made some good points.  Looking around, I notice shotguns are quite expensive relative to the class of rifles I am looking at.  Any recommendations on some more economical models?  I haven't made any decisions yet, so all the input I can get is very much appreciated. 

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9672419 - 01/24/09 06:08 PM (15 years, 6 days ago)

Buying new shotguns can be expensive but if you look around, you can find some nice used 12 gauge pump shotguns for under $300, about the same price for that .22 you mentioned. I found some here: http://www.gunsamerica.com/Search.aspx?T=12+gauge+shotguns. Click on the "sort by" selection (found right below where you see "Guns in hand") and select "Price [Lowest first]" and just scroll down some and you'll see them.


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    #9673155 - 01/24/09 08:32 PM (15 years, 6 days ago)

The shotgun sounds great for defense, but I want to hunt small game as well.  Can I effectively hunt grouse and other small game with a shotgun and not blow it to pieces?

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9673712 - 01/24/09 10:19 PM (15 years, 6 days ago)

For sure. Use light shot like 6's. The only downfall is you would probably want to have slugs when you are in defensive mode, so while you are hunting for the grouse you'd be less ready to take on a raging large animal.

Also look at local sporting goods stores, they usually have good used shotguns for decent prices.

I would think a good multi-tool (Gerber type) would be much better than that swiss-army you showed above. It wouldn't add a ton more weight either as it would be on your hip.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9676442 - 01/25/09 01:24 PM (15 years, 6 days ago)

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After reading a bunch of reviews, I have decided to get the Papoose as 3.25 lbs isnt that much, and reliability is a big plus with this one.  What do you think, should I get a scope to go with it?

Any advice on which ammo to buy?  I will be getting a few extra 10 round clips as well.  However that wont be for another month or two as I have to wait for my firearms license to get approved.

Now on with the rest of the gear. 

I am also going to grab a Victorinox Rucksack:


This will accompany my SOG Trident 2.0 (you can see it in the thread "Show me your blades")

First I am going to get all my clothing together.  Then I will figure out the rest of the gear I am going to be bringing. 

:hippie:




Good choice. Use hollow point ammo. Scopes are cool and really improve aim but are extra weight and something that can be easily dammaged. Just remember to get lots of practice with open sites for at least a back up. I never take a scope.


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    #9676492 - 01/25/09 01:29 PM (15 years, 6 days ago)

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For shelters, you should consider buying "Shelters, Shacks, and Shanties" by D. C. Beard. Has just about every type of wilderness shelter you could think of and how to build them. For a gun, you should consider a 12 gauge shotgun (pump or auto) with 2 types of ammo, some 00 steel shot and/or slugs (pumpkin balls/ deer slugs) (for protection against bears and moose) and some bird or varmint shot for small game (rabbits, squirrels, etc.).




A shotgun and ammo would be way too heavy for carrying any length of time. Also unless you are an expert I wouldn't challenge a moose or bear with a shotgun. A big danger is over confidence.




  The shotgun is not for CHALLENGING bears or moose, it's for PROTECTION AGAINST grizzlies and moose. (The OP is going to be in Canada after all.) If you have a big ass grizzly coming at you, you definitely want something bigger than a little .22. You shoot a charging grizzly bear or a charging moose with a .22 and it will ignore it and keep coming! (a .22 won't even pierce the hide of either one except at extremely close range,it'll feel like a flea/fly bite.) A shotgun will either discourage it or stop it in its tracks.

  A 12 gauge shotgun and ammo only weights a little over 10 pounds, 10 pounds that can save your life if the need arises. I NEVER go camping in eastern Alaska or western Canada without one.




You make a good point. I would hate to carry all that gun and ammo far however. The shells are very heavy in themselves. I would suggest a large caliber handgun but most people can't hit a barn without lots of practice and I can imagine the stress of having a grizz bearing down on you. I have been chased by a couple of Moose but they left off after I ran behind a tree. If they had been a male in rut I would have been done for.


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    #9677159 - 01/25/09 03:30 PM (15 years, 5 days ago)

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The shotgun sounds great for defense, but I want to hunt small game as well.  Can I effectively hunt grouse and other small game with a shotgun and not blow it to pieces?

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  Yes, people use shotguns to hunt small game all the time, just use either number 6 shot or number 4 shot BBs and try to take head shots, less meat damage. I don't use anything smaller then 6 shot (the higher the number the smaller the shot) because then you'll have a lot of BBs to pick out.

  For use for protection just make sure you use either a slug (aka deer slug/pumpkin ball) or preferably 00 STEEL shot, it has more penetrating power than 00 lead shot.

  Also, make sure to spend plenty of time at a gun range to familiarize yourself with the shotgun and to practice hitting small targets. For bears and such, it's more or less a point and shoot type of thing, just be sure to point it at the head or the chest.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Icelander]
    #9677307 - 01/25/09 03:58 PM (15 years, 5 days ago)

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You make a good point. I would hate to carry all that gun and ammo far however. The shells are very heavy in themselves. I would suggest a large caliber handgun but most people can't hit a barn without lots of practice and I can imagine the stress of having a grizz bearing down on you. I have been chased by a couple of Moose but they left off after I ran behind a tree. If they had been a male in rut I would have been done for.




  You would need something bigger than a .357 magnum to stop a grizzly. Smith and Wesson model 500 chambered in .50 caliber magnum was designed specifically for protection against grizzlies. I own one with the 8 1/2 inch barrel and I took a grizzly at 220 yards just 2 years ago with one shot. It weights less than 5 pounds empty and it has less recoil than a .357 magnum and loud as hell too. The only thing is, I don't know if it is legal in Canada, I don't know the firearm laws up there.


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    #9681391 - 01/26/09 09:29 AM (15 years, 5 days ago)

So did you eat this grizzly?


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    #9682356 - 01/26/09 12:56 PM (15 years, 5 days ago)

No, I donated the meat and bones to a local Inuit tribe and kept the hide for a rug. Personally, I find that bear meat cooks up too greasy no matter how it is cooked. I prefer elk, deer, wild boar, squirrels, rabbits, grouse, pheasants, ptarmigans and rattlesnakes, timber and eastern diamondback. And of course beef, Angus and Wagyu (expensive as hell but well worth it!).


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    #9683541 - 01/26/09 04:10 PM (15 years, 4 days ago)

You forgot buffalo. Very tasty. I have only eaten black bear and it was greasy. I like elk and deer. I actually like mouse and raccoon. I have always wanted to try wild boar.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: gandalf579]
    #9683987 - 01/26/09 05:20 PM (15 years, 4 days ago)

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  You would need something bigger than a .357 magnum to stop a grizzly. Smith and Wesson model 500 chambered in .50 caliber magnum was designed specifically for protection against grizzlies.




You use a gun? I just throw sand in their face and take them down with my pocket knife while they are blinded.

Seriously, though, that's a pretty intense ordeal.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #9684763 - 01/26/09 07:27 PM (15 years, 4 days ago)

Any one know how effective bear spray is?


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9684966 - 01/26/09 07:56 PM (15 years, 4 days ago)

I'm told bear spray is effective but I've never tried it before. If you use it just be sure of the wind direction, you don't want that shit coming back into your face. Personally I wouldn't trust it enough, I use either my model 500 or a 12 gauge pump shotgun. Just think of the spray this way, with pepper spray against humans, sometimes it works and sometimes the guy ignores it and keeps on coming. It doesn't bother some people. Now imagine a grizzly doing that. Which would you prefer? Gun or spray?


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: gandalf579]
    #9684994 - 01/26/09 08:04 PM (15 years, 4 days ago)

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Just think of the spray this way, with pepper spray against humans, sometimes it works and sometimes the guy ignores it and keeps on coming. It doesn't bother some people. Now imagine a grizzly doing that. Which would you prefer? Gun or spray? 




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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Icelander]
    #9685026 - 01/26/09 08:10 PM (15 years, 4 days ago)

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You forgot buffalo. Very tasty. I have only eaten black bear and it was greasy. I like elk and deer. I actually like mouse and raccoon. I have always wanted to try wild boar.




  Ya, I did forget about buffalo, it is pretty good but a little on the lean side. Wild boar is pretty much like domestic hogs but it is leaner and has a way stronger taste to it. Some find it to be too "gammy" but I don't. I like to make bacon and hams with it, smoked pork chops, and I like to braise the tender loins and serve them with mushrooms, potatoes and onions. And salt and pepper of course.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9687647 - 01/27/09 09:20 AM (15 years, 4 days ago)

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Any one know how effective bear spray is?




I have just done some extensive research on bear spray. It's not that effective but can help. Often the bears will leave off an initial attack but may come back and the second spraying is usually not effective. Those bears are some bad boys.

Also the advice to play dead or try to climb a tree is poor advice according to statistics. Bears are just too fast for climbing trees to be effective unless you have a great tree and you are right under it and over a hundred yards lead to get high enough. Playing dead can get you killed. The advice now is to stand your ground but don't act aggressive or stare. Don't look directly at the bear and never ever run. You can talk softly. Of course you will have to clean the shit out of your pants when it's all over. I have had several standoffs with blacks but couldn't imagine doing it close up and personal with a Grizzly.:whoa:

Also to take Bear spray over the border from US to Canada it must say "Bear protection spray" on the canister.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Icelander]
    #9689098 - 01/27/09 02:34 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

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Any one know how effective bear spray is?




I have just done some extensive research on bear spray. It's not that effective but can help. Often the bears will leave off an initial attack but may come back and the second spraying is usually not effective. Those bears are some bad boys.

Also the advice to play dead or try to climb a tree is poor advice according to statistics. Bears are just too fast for climbing trees to be effective unless you have a great tree and you are right under it and over a hundred yards lead to get high enough. Playing dead can get you killed. The advice now is to stand your ground but don't act aggressive or stare. Don't look directly at the bear and never ever run. You can talk softly. Of course you will have to clean the shit out of your pants when it's all over. I have had several standoffs with blacks but couldn't imagine doing it close up and personal with a Grizzly.:whoa:





When I was treeplanting we had a big course on what to do in case we encountered a bear or mountain lion.  With Black bears you can actually afford to get a little aggressive with (ie yelling, throwing stuff at it, etc...) as they are smaller bears, and while they could still fuck you up, they have evolved along side grizzles (in this area anyway) so have a pronounced flight reflex.  Grizzles on the other hand... if one charges you with the intent of eating/harming you, you're pretty much fuckered.  The other thing they said, if you ever see a mountain lion, it has been watching you for some time already.  You will never accidentally come across one.     


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Also to take Bear spray over the border from US to Canada it must say "Bear protection spray" on the canister.




I live in Canada just south of Vancouver, so no problem there. :smile:

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9689404 - 01/27/09 03:26 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

The research on black bears stated that the only time to "play dead" is if you have determined that the bear is a mother protecting her cubs. Otherwise stand up to the bear and fight if necessary.

I once woke up to a black bear sniffing my face. I was in Upper Michigan and I was sleeping in a open tarp tent. I screamed right into the bears face and by the time I got myself up on one elbow to look that bear was fifty yards away and slowing down and taking a look back to see WTF happened.:lol: I was so tired I fell back asleep right away.

I tend to be extremely cautious around all wild critters. Better safe is my motto, especially as I'm usually solo.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9689698 - 01/27/09 04:13 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

When it comes to Black bears, you can stand up tall and yell like hell at it to scare it away but ONLY if it's not a momma bear with cubs. She will stand and fight to protect her cubs, she'll stand and fight a full grown male bear to save her cubs, a human stands no chance. Never try to get away from a Black bear by climbing a tree, it's not so heavy so that the tree limbs will support it and it will follow you up! And never ever turn your back on any type of bear, Grizzly or Black, because it will chase you down. Playing dead will get you dead, so don't try it.

  As for Grizzlies, as long as it is fully mature, you CAN climb a tree to get away, the grizzly is too heavy and the tree limbs won't support it. Make sure the tree you run up isn't so small that he could just shake you out of it. Just keep climbing up and eventually it will lose interest in you and leave for something easier. The limbs up high that will support you won't support the grizzly because he's just so heavy and the limbs will snap. Black bears on the other hand aren't too heavy to follow you up. And never try to intimidate a grizzly, he's just as likely to accept the challenge and take you on. Grizzlies just don't scare all that easy, so keep that in mind.

  Black bears rarely reach 900 pounds where as grizzlies on the other hand can reach over 1400+ pounds. And both types can run at up to 45 miles per hour, grizzlies are a little bit slower running uphill but not by much. So don't think that you could out run one, because either one could and would chase you down and either maim or kill you. So don't try it!!!


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: gandalf579]
    #9712338 - 01/31/09 02:54 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

My gear is slowly coming together.  I went out and bought some survival kit items yesterday, and today  just bought a Swanndri 100% wool ranger sweater. 

Check it out:


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9718735 - 02/01/09 05:38 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

That's a great sweater to wear around the campfire because wool is inflammable. If a hot coal or spark lands on it you can just brush it off. Also it is great to keep you warm even if it's soaking wet. Just be careful about over heating while you wear it so that you don't end up getting dehydrated. Good buy! Don't forget to get a good quality set of rain gear. Getting soaked will make you miserable.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: gandalf579]
    #9816797 - 02/17/09 08:41 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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gandalf579 said: Smith and Wesson model 500 chambered in .50 caliber magnum was designed specifically for protection against grizzlies..... The only thing is, I don't know if it is legal in Canada, I don't know the firearm laws up there.




I did some researching about this, and I can buy one if I have my restricted lisence.  Then to carry it, I need to take a wilderness defense course, and then with the resulting certificate and proof of need, send to some MP formally requesting a permit to carry a handgun for wilderness defense...  Its a bit of a process, but I will be getting my Restricted PAL (possession and acquisition license) pretty soon, and the course is relatively inexpensive. 

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #11054711 - 09/13/09 10:20 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Lentils contain every amino acid found in meat except for 1, they are small and cook in 20 minutes.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #11363012 - 11/01/09 02:22 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Wow... just wow!  This is the first time I have had internet access since I embarked on my journey.  I started in Prince George and made my way south to Tsawwassen, wher I caught a ferry and went on to explore Vancouver Island.  I spent a good deal of time in the Pacific Rim National park, and ended up renting a 52 acre island. There is a half built cabin on the island, and the owner agreed to give it to me for $750 a month, if I would do all the final construction on the place.  My own Private Island!  How sweet is that!

I am at a public access computer right now, but when I have more time I will elaborate on the details of my travels.

(Oh, I never ended up buying a gun, didnt see any bears either)

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #11370356 - 11/02/09 03:47 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I knew a person who would go bush for 3 months at a time. Before he left I remember he brewed his own beer and baked his own bread. The bread in particular was a dense German style rye bread. They looked like bricks and weighed the same too. He had a small freezer, solar panels, four extra tyres and he told me he could travel to extremely remote places and be self sufficient for at least 4 weeks.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Lord Mayonnaise]
    #11370417 - 11/02/09 03:54 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know if using a solar powered freezer counts as "self sufficient". I mean I could say the same thing about my apartment.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: blewmeanie]
    #11432852 - 11/11/09 12:28 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

After reading this thread, all those months ago, it put a serious itch in my feet. I just got back this past Sunday. I left just north of Fairbanks Alaska back on May 1st. I went cross country from there across Canada, down to Toronto and crossed back into the U.S. at Buffalo N.Y.. I then caught a ride from there down to West Virginia, I didn't want to get into any trouble with carrying a pump shotgun with a sawed off barrel through New York or Pennsylvania.

  I would have a ton of pics to show but my camera got ruined when I tried to cross a river using an old rope bridge. I got about half way across when the damn thing snapped sending me 45 to 50 feet straight down into the fucking cold ass river. I came close to drowning because when I hit the water I had the wind knocked out of me. Luckily I was able to make it the river bank and pull myself out, after being swept down river 6-7 miles. Other than my camera and my shotgun, most of my gear was in waterproof dry bags in my backpack thankfully. I had my camera clipped to the shoulder strap of my backpack because just before I attempted to cross the river I had taken a really nice pic of a momma grizzly and her two cubs, from a good distance away of course. It took me the rest of that day and half of the night to dry everything out. I didn't have a small enough screwdriver to take apart my camera and try to save it. I did try to save the memory card but my fingers were so numb by the time I got the card out of my camera that when I turned back to the fire I dropped it into the fire. That pissed me off so much that I slammed the camera into a tree and it ended up in a bunch of little pieces.

  Except for the camera incident and a few times that I went hungry, all in all it was a really good trip. I had a couple of close calls with a couple of skunks but luckily I didn't get sprayed. I'm still recovering from the trip though. I ended up losing close to 65 pounds, I went from a starting weight of 215 down to 152. I made the mistake of when I got home I ate a really big meal, 2 double bacon cheeseburgers, close to a pound a french fries and a large strawberry milkshake. That meal is really big only in comparison to the size of my meals for the past six months. I ended that night with alternating from puking and diarrhea. That lasted until Monday afternoon when I was able to get some medicine in me. I'm able to keep small meals down as long as it's not greasy, I just eat several small meals a day. It will be a while before I get back to eating the size of meals that I use to eat, hopefully before Thanksgiving gets here.

  Like I said, all in all it was a really good trip. I took a satellite phone with me so that I was able to get resupplied regularly and I planned ahead pretty good. I made good decisions along the way and made it home safe. Good decisions except for not putting my camera in its dry bag before I attempted to cross that damn river, won't ever happen again. I think I'm going to stick with the smaller 30-40 day trips instead of another 6 month trip. Too much happens in that length of time. It's great to be back in civilization!


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: gandalf579]
    #11444816 - 11/12/09 09:58 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Holy shit man! That's crazy as fuck.. you're lucky you survived!
Sounds like the trip of a lifetime  :slider:


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Shroomism]
    #11451383 - 11/13/09 11:14 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Ya, it was a pretty good trip. The only time I was in any real danger was when I tried crossing that damn river. At the time I had a backpack weighing around 60 pounds strapped to my back (a little more than 1/4 of my body weight at the time.). All in all it was a good trip thanks to proper training and good planning. If I do it again hopefully I'll be able to plan it better and won't lose so much weight. It takes me forever to put it back on.

  After going through all of the bills earlier today I figure that my trip cost me close to $10,000. That includes my supplies that were flown to different spots for pick up, the cost of the pilot and fuel and, the most expensive of them all, the cost of making calls on my satellite phone. There's over $6,000 on that bill alone! Shit! I forgot about the guy who took care of my animals and cut my grass while I was gone. That's probably close to another grand. And I need to remember to get another camera, got to have a camera.


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    #11489553 - 11/19/09 10:19 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: nachohippie]
    #11533730 - 11/26/09 07:19 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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