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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: gandalf579]
#9664460 - 01/23/09 10:27 AM (15 years, 8 days ago) |
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gandalf579 said: For shelters, you should consider buying "Shelters, Shacks, and Shanties" by D. C. Beard. Has just about every type of wilderness shelter you could think of and how to build them. For a gun, you should consider a 12 gauge shotgun (pump or auto) with 2 types of ammo, some 00 steel shot and/or slugs (pumpkin balls/ deer slugs) (for protection against bears and moose) and some bird or varmint shot for small game (rabbits, squarels, etc.).
A shotgun and ammo would be way too heavy for carrying any length of time. Also unless you are an expert I wouldn't challenge a moose or bear with a shotgun. A big danger is over confidence.
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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
#9664506 - 01/23/09 10:33 AM (15 years, 8 days ago) |
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Stick with an ultra light 22. They are the most versatile survival gun made. You can even take large game with them if necessary. The ammo is light so you can carry plenty, the gun is also light so you won't mind carrying it nearly as much.
Check out the Henry survival 22. Or if you want something special, the stainless steel Marlin Papoose. The Marlin weighs twice what the Henry does but comes with a flotation case and will not rust if it gets wet or humid. It also has much better sights which I really like and holds much better and is much sturdier. If I had to totally depend on it, it's the one I would choose hands down. Get an extra clip in case one fails. Then make sure you go and practice a lot with it before you use it in the back country. Know your gun and gun safety.
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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Icelander]
#9665491 - 01/23/09 01:56 PM (15 years, 8 days ago) |
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Icelander said: Stick with an ultra light 22. They are the most versatile survival gun made. You can even take large game with them if necessary. The ammo is light so you can carry plenty, the gun is also light so you won't mind carrying it nearly as much.
Light is definitely my friend. I have no intentions on hunting big game, and really just want to have a gun for peace of mind and small game. There is LOTS of grouse in the area so i could probably live off that for the whole time. Plus I have a fishing pole and some basic tackle so fish is there as well. Thanks for the input 
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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
#9665721 - 01/23/09 02:35 PM (15 years, 7 days ago) |
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In the High Desert areas I frequent we have sage hens which are as big as chickens. They are easy to hunt at water holes and one can feed you and a friend for a day. I used to give the parts I didn't want to my dog so I could use his dog pack to carry some of my gear. He never knew.
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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Icelander]
#9666565 - 01/23/09 05:13 PM (15 years, 7 days ago) |
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After reading a bunch of reviews, I have decided to get the Papoose as 3.25 lbs isnt that much, and reliability is a big plus with this one. What do you think, should I get a scope to go with it?
Any advice on which ammo to buy? I will be getting a few extra 10 round clips as well. However that wont be for another month or two as I have to wait for my firearms license to get approved.
Now on with the rest of the gear.
I am also going to grab a Victorinox Rucksack:

This will accompany my SOG Trident 2.0 (you can see it in the thread "Show me your blades")
First I am going to get all my clothing together. Then I will figure out the rest of the gear I am going to be bringing.
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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Icelander]
#9672006 - 01/24/09 04:49 PM (15 years, 6 days ago) |
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gandalf579 said: For shelters, you should consider buying "Shelters, Shacks, and Shanties" by D. C. Beard. Has just about every type of wilderness shelter you could think of and how to build them. For a gun, you should consider a 12 gauge shotgun (pump or auto) with 2 types of ammo, some 00 steel shot and/or slugs (pumpkin balls/ deer slugs) (for protection against bears and moose) and some bird or varmint shot for small game (rabbits, squirrels, etc.).
A shotgun and ammo would be way too heavy for carrying any length of time. Also unless you are an expert I wouldn't challenge a moose or bear with a shotgun. A big danger is over confidence.
The shotgun is not for CHALLENGING bears or moose, it's for PROTECTION AGAINST grizzlies and moose. (The OP is going to be in Canada after all.) If you have a big ass grizzly coming at you, you definitely want something bigger than a little .22. You shoot a charging grizzly bear or a charging moose with a .22 and it will ignore it and keep coming! (a .22 won't even pierce the hide of either one except at extremely close range,it'll feel like a flea/fly bite.) A shotgun will either discourage it or stop it in its tracks. A 12 gauge shotgun and ammo only weights a little over 10 pounds, 10 pounds that can save your life if the need arises. I NEVER go camping in eastern Alaska or western Canada without one.
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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: gandalf579]
#9672219 - 01/24/09 05:25 PM (15 years, 6 days ago) |
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The shotgun is not for CHALLENGING bears or moose, it's for PROTECTION AGAINST grizzlies and moose. (The OP is going to be in Canada after all.) If you have a big ass grizzly coming at you, you definitely want something bigger than a little .22. You shoot a charging grizzly bear or a charging moose with a .22 and it will ignore it and keep coming! (a .22 won't even pierce the hide of either one except at extremely close range,it'll feel like a flea/fly bite.) A shotgun will either discourage it or stop it in its tracks. A 12 gauge shotgun and ammo only weights a little over 10 pounds, 10 pounds that can save your life if the need arises. I NEVER go camping in eastern Alaska or western Canada without one.
You have made some good points. Looking around, I notice shotguns are quite expensive relative to the class of rifles I am looking at. Any recommendations on some more economical models? I haven't made any decisions yet, so all the input I can get is very much appreciated.
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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
#9672419 - 01/24/09 06:08 PM (15 years, 6 days ago) |
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Buying new shotguns can be expensive but if you look around, you can find some nice used 12 gauge pump shotguns for under $300, about the same price for that .22 you mentioned. I found some here: http://www.gunsamerica.com/Search.aspx?T=12+gauge+shotguns. Click on the "sort by" selection (found right below where you see "Guns in hand") and select "Price [Lowest first]" and just scroll down some and you'll see them.
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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: gandalf579]
#9673155 - 01/24/09 08:32 PM (15 years, 6 days ago) |
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The shotgun sounds great for defense, but I want to hunt small game as well. Can I effectively hunt grouse and other small game with a shotgun and not blow it to pieces?
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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
#9673712 - 01/24/09 10:19 PM (15 years, 6 days ago) |
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For sure. Use light shot like 6's. The only downfall is you would probably want to have slugs when you are in defensive mode, so while you are hunting for the grouse you'd be less ready to take on a raging large animal.
Also look at local sporting goods stores, they usually have good used shotguns for decent prices.
I would think a good multi-tool (Gerber type) would be much better than that swiss-army you showed above. It wouldn't add a ton more weight either as it would be on your hip.
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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
#9676442 - 01/25/09 01:24 PM (15 years, 6 days ago) |
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Quoiyaien said: After reading a bunch of reviews, I have decided to get the Papoose as 3.25 lbs isnt that much, and reliability is a big plus with this one. What do you think, should I get a scope to go with it?
Any advice on which ammo to buy? I will be getting a few extra 10 round clips as well. However that wont be for another month or two as I have to wait for my firearms license to get approved.
Now on with the rest of the gear.
I am also going to grab a Victorinox Rucksack:

This will accompany my SOG Trident 2.0 (you can see it in the thread "Show me your blades")
First I am going to get all my clothing together. Then I will figure out the rest of the gear I am going to be bringing.
Good choice. Use hollow point ammo. Scopes are cool and really improve aim but are extra weight and something that can be easily dammaged. Just remember to get lots of practice with open sites for at least a back up. I never take a scope.
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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: gandalf579]
#9676492 - 01/25/09 01:29 PM (15 years, 6 days ago) |
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gandalf579 said: For shelters, you should consider buying "Shelters, Shacks, and Shanties" by D. C. Beard. Has just about every type of wilderness shelter you could think of and how to build them. For a gun, you should consider a 12 gauge shotgun (pump or auto) with 2 types of ammo, some 00 steel shot and/or slugs (pumpkin balls/ deer slugs) (for protection against bears and moose) and some bird or varmint shot for small game (rabbits, squirrels, etc.).
A shotgun and ammo would be way too heavy for carrying any length of time. Also unless you are an expert I wouldn't challenge a moose or bear with a shotgun. A big danger is over confidence.
The shotgun is not for CHALLENGING bears or moose, it's for PROTECTION AGAINST grizzlies and moose. (The OP is going to be in Canada after all.) If you have a big ass grizzly coming at you, you definitely want something bigger than a little .22. You shoot a charging grizzly bear or a charging moose with a .22 and it will ignore it and keep coming! (a .22 won't even pierce the hide of either one except at extremely close range,it'll feel like a flea/fly bite.) A shotgun will either discourage it or stop it in its tracks. A 12 gauge shotgun and ammo only weights a little over 10 pounds, 10 pounds that can save your life if the need arises. I NEVER go camping in eastern Alaska or western Canada without one.
You make a good point. I would hate to carry all that gun and ammo far however. The shells are very heavy in themselves. I would suggest a large caliber handgun but most people can't hit a barn without lots of practice and I can imagine the stress of having a grizz bearing down on you. I have been chased by a couple of Moose but they left off after I ran behind a tree. If they had been a male in rut I would have been done for.
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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
#9677159 - 01/25/09 03:30 PM (15 years, 5 days ago) |
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Quoiyaien said: The shotgun sounds great for defense, but I want to hunt small game as well. Can I effectively hunt grouse and other small game with a shotgun and not blow it to pieces?
Yes, people use shotguns to hunt small game all the time, just use either number 6 shot or number 4 shot BBs and try to take head shots, less meat damage. I don't use anything smaller then 6 shot (the higher the number the smaller the shot) because then you'll have a lot of BBs to pick out.
For use for protection just make sure you use either a slug (aka deer slug/pumpkin ball) or preferably 00 STEEL shot, it has more penetrating power than 00 lead shot.
Also, make sure to spend plenty of time at a gun range to familiarize yourself with the shotgun and to practice hitting small targets. For bears and such, it's more or less a point and shoot type of thing, just be sure to point it at the head or the chest.
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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Icelander]
#9677307 - 01/25/09 03:58 PM (15 years, 5 days ago) |
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Icelander said: You make a good point. I would hate to carry all that gun and ammo far however. The shells are very heavy in themselves. I would suggest a large caliber handgun but most people can't hit a barn without lots of practice and I can imagine the stress of having a grizz bearing down on you. I have been chased by a couple of Moose but they left off after I ran behind a tree. If they had been a male in rut I would have been done for.
You would need something bigger than a .357 magnum to stop a grizzly. Smith and Wesson model 500 chambered in .50 caliber magnum was designed specifically for protection against grizzlies. I own one with the 8 1/2 inch barrel and I took a grizzly at 220 yards just 2 years ago with one shot. It weights less than 5 pounds empty and it has less recoil than a .357 magnum and loud as hell too. The only thing is, I don't know if it is legal in Canada, I don't know the firearm laws up there.
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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: gandalf579]
#9681391 - 01/26/09 09:29 AM (15 years, 5 days ago) |
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So did you eat this grizzly?
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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Icelander]
#9682356 - 01/26/09 12:56 PM (15 years, 5 days ago) |
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No, I donated the meat and bones to a local Inuit tribe and kept the hide for a rug. Personally, I find that bear meat cooks up too greasy no matter how it is cooked. I prefer elk, deer, wild boar, squirrels, rabbits, grouse, pheasants, ptarmigans and rattlesnakes, timber and eastern diamondback. And of course beef, Angus and Wagyu (expensive as hell but well worth it!).
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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: gandalf579]
#9683541 - 01/26/09 04:10 PM (15 years, 4 days ago) |
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You forgot buffalo. Very tasty. I have only eaten black bear and it was greasy. I like elk and deer. I actually like mouse and raccoon. I have always wanted to try wild boar.
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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: gandalf579]
#9683987 - 01/26/09 05:20 PM (15 years, 4 days ago) |
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You would need something bigger than a .357 magnum to stop a grizzly. Smith and Wesson model 500 chambered in .50 caliber magnum was designed specifically for protection against grizzlies.
You use a gun? I just throw sand in their face and take them down with my pocket knife while they are blinded.
Seriously, though, that's a pretty intense ordeal.
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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#9684763 - 01/26/09 07:27 PM (15 years, 4 days ago) |
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Any one know how effective bear spray is?
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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
#9684966 - 01/26/09 07:56 PM (15 years, 4 days ago) |
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I'm told bear spray is effective but I've never tried it before. If you use it just be sure of the wind direction, you don't want that shit coming back into your face. Personally I wouldn't trust it enough, I use either my model 500 or a 12 gauge pump shotgun. Just think of the spray this way, with pepper spray against humans, sometimes it works and sometimes the guy ignores it and keeps on coming. It doesn't bother some people. Now imagine a grizzly doing that. Which would you prefer? Gun or spray?
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