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Food planning for one month in bush
    #9626402 - 01/17/09 01:47 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

I am trying to get an idea of how much food I would need for one months worth of living in the bush. i want to keep things light and as low volume as possible.  Using my food dehydrator I am going to make some jerky, variety of fruit leathers, some vegetables and herbs to reconstitute for stews, and whatever else I can. 

Also plan on bringing protein powder, maltodextrin powder, nuts and seeds, and bottle of olive oil. 

As I am getting a little overwhelmed at all this (I tend to overthink everything), I could use some help.

What would you do if you had to haul one months worth of food?

Thanks :smile:

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9626447 - 01/17/09 02:02 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

Shroomism has some great ideas on dehydrated chow.

I consider peanut butter a staple. I usually take lots of protein powder too.

I'd say plan by calories. Depending what you plan on doing, 2000-3000 calories a day ould be good.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9626455 - 01/17/09 02:04 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

you should consider looking into what you can gather more so than what you can carry


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9626485 - 01/17/09 02:13 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9626506 - 01/17/09 02:18 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

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you should consider looking into what you can gather more so than what you can carry




Thats a good idea.  But at the moment, this is more about practice and fine tuning than anything else. 

I want to get an idea so I know how much volume and weight I am looking at.  Plus I want to try out the foods to see how I handle them.  I am not actually heading out till Summer, so I have some time.  I am going to take a 3 day survival course (1 classroom, 2 on a mountain) in May and plan on learning about the flora/fauna of the region (Central BC).

I treeplanted there last summer so I have a general idea of the weather patterns. 

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9626507 - 01/17/09 02:19 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

if you have an army surplus store nearby or im sure you can order them online
I would like at getting MRE's
they are specifically designed for high calorie meals to help survive on minimal intake
some of them are pretty damn good tasting as well


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #9626710 - 01/17/09 03:07 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

Carry a small fishing kit with you if there are any streams, rivers, lakes, or ponds in the area that you'll be at so that you can catch fish to help supplement your diet. And take some snare wire to catch game. Also, consider taking dried beans, they're a good source of protein, are light weight and will keep for almost forever as long as you keep them dry. A couple pounds will feed you for awhile depending on how much you eat at a time. A cup of beans (dry measuring cup not by weight) is more than enough for one person per meal.

  Also be sure to take salt (real salt not that low sodium crap) with you (a lot of people seem to forget to), that way you not only can season your food but you can also use it to replace the salts you lose through sweating to help in re-hydration.

  This is assuming that you'll be backpacking everything in, for 25 to 30 days, 10 to 15 pounds of food for ONE person should do you IF you plan on supplementing your food stuff with wild game (rabbits, squirrels, etc..) and fish. 20 to 30 pounds if you don't supplement.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: gandalf579]
    #9626751 - 01/17/09 03:13 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

Thanks :smile:

Regarding the beans, any particular type?  Or are they all good?  Cause I can picture a wicked 7 bean stew with jerky and dehydrated veggies thrown in. 

Actually, what about green powders?  Would it be worth its weight? I really dont care about taste.  I just want it to be as small as possible. 

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9626811 - 01/17/09 03:22 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

Peanut butter, jerky, dried fruit, and grapenuts. You may want to check into weight gainer powders too.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: blewmeanie]
    #9626857 - 01/17/09 03:30 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

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Peanut butter, jerky, dried fruit, and grapenuts. You may want to check into weight gainer powders too.




Thanks, nice and simple.  Thats really what I want. 

Grapenuts? 

Regarding weightgainers, they are usually just a mix of protein and maltodextrin, both of which I am already bringing.  Maybe a small amount of dextrose powder as well for some quick release carbs.

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9626888 - 01/17/09 03:36 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)



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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9626935 - 01/17/09 03:45 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

I might bring bouillon. As long as you have clean water an a fire you can make some quick soup and it takes up no room but I'm not sure of the nutritional value (if any)


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9626984 - 01/17/09 03:54 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

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Thanks :smile:

Regarding the beans, any particular type?  Or are they all good?  Cause I can picture a wicked 7 bean stew with jerky and dehydrated veggies thrown in. 

Actually, what about green powders?  Would it be worth its weight? I really dont care about taste.  I just want it to be as small as possible. 

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Any type of beans that you prefer, myself, I usually take dried pintos. Dried split peas are good also, you get more volume to weight ratio than you do with beans. As to the green powders, I'm not sure what you are referring to. Is it powdered freeze dried leafy greens?

  Now as to the peanut butter idea, in my opinion it's not a good idea if the temps get high where you're going. If it gets too warm the peanut butter will turn rancid on you and make you sick if you eat it, especially if it's an all natural peanut butter.

  The bean stew is a really good idea. I make it into a soup instead of a stew myself. Just pour the water that you re-hydrate your jerky with into the pot, instead of throwing it out, and it not only makes it all the better, it makes it more "restorative".


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: CosmicFool]
    #9627151 - 01/17/09 04:23 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

Thanks for all the replies so far.

My objective in exercise as of late has been to train my body to ultimate efficiency.  I am working with kettlebells and body weight exercices to increase my bodies glycogen storage potential.

I figure if I can get my glycogen levels up really high, and maybe store a few pounds of extra fat before I leave I can count that towards my packed totals.  I figure 10 pounds of fat (which is pretty easy and safe to gain over 5 months) would give me a total of 35000 extra calories (3500 calories/pound). So if I burn 1000 calories a day just by walking (of which fat is the primary fuel source), I can pack a lot less food, say 2000 cal per day instead of 3000.

Which brings the total amount of calories to 56000 (2000/day @ 28 days).  I figure if I follow the 40:30:30 ratio i should be OK.  So 5600g protein, 4200g carbs, 1800g fat.  In pure form that is already 25 1/2 lbs.

I figure that I can bring whatever foods I like, and just supplement to get the totals I need(using protein powder, maltodextrin powder, and olive oil.

Does this make sense doing it this way?  Or is this just another example of me over-thinking things

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: gandalf579]
    #9627200 - 01/17/09 04:30 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

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As to the green powders, I'm not sure what you are referring to. Is it powdered freeze dried leafy greens?





Its a blend of a huge array of powdered greens.  The one I would be using is called Greens+ (if anybody know of a better one let me know).  Check it out here.

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #9627372 - 01/17/09 05:00 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

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Quoiyaien said:
Thanks for all the replies so far.

My objective in exercise as of late has been to train my body to ultimate efficiency.  I am working with kettlebells and body weight exercices to increase my bodies glycogen storage potential.

I figure if I can get my glycogen levels up really high, and maybe store a few pounds of extra fat before I leave I can count that towards my packed totals.  I figure 10 pounds of fat (which is pretty easy and safe to gain over 5 months) would give me a total of 35000 extra calories (3500 calories/pound). So if I burn 1000 calories a day just by walking (of which fat is the primary fuel source), I can pack a lot less food, say 2000 cal per day instead of 3000.

Which brings the total amount of calories to 56000 (2000/day @ 28 days).  I figure if I follow the 40:30:30 ratio i should be OK.  So 5600g protein, 4200g carbs, 1800g fat.  In pure form that is already 25 1/2 lbs.

I figure that I can bring whatever foods I like, and just supplement to get the totals I need(using protein powder, maltodextrin powder, and olive oil.

Does this make sense doing it this way?  Or is this just another example of me over-thinking things

:hippie:




Actually, no it doesn't make sense. By exercising, you're burning off the fat you are trying to gain and by getting your body to ultimate efficiency, you won't be able to gain fat the way you describe. Supplementing with powders is ok but you need to keep in mind the containers they are in will take up a lot of room and if the powders get wet they will be essentially useless to you.

As to the Green+ powder, I've never used it so I wouldn't know if it's good or not.

The main thing you need to keep in mind is that you don't want to feel hungry after you eat because feeling hungry will pretty much ruin the experience.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: gandalf579]
    #9627560 - 01/17/09 05:29 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

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Actually, no it doesn't make sense. By exercising, you're burning off the fat you are trying to gain and by getting your body to ultimate efficiency, you won't be able to gain fat the way you describe.
 




Regarding the training protocol, it is rather complex and longwinded, but it involves a lot of cycling (nutrients, meal timings and ratios, workout intensity, rep range, weight etc...).  To gain weight, I simply need to eat more calories than I burn.  I have never had a problem in that regard. :smirk:

I am just wondering whether stored fat could count towards food totals? 

As for the greens, I would probably keep them (with all my other food) in bags instead of bulky containers. A month supply weighs about a pound, so I think I may bring some along. 

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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: gandalf579]
    #9627571 - 01/17/09 05:31 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

The best thing you can do is start training your body NOW to survive on less food. You can train your body to become a more metabolic efficient machine. If you stop eating until you are FULL, and instead just eat until you are no longer hungry, then slowly reduce the amount you eat, you will find after a week or 2 you can eat ALOT less and still have plenty of energy. If you exercise on a low calorie diet your body becomes more efficient. The key is a very gradual and steady drop in caloric intake. Your body needs time to adjust. Which is why if you start now you will not run into any issues.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: boletusoftruth]
    #9627622 - 01/17/09 05:41 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

Do you have a vehicle to bring this stuff with you or are you going to carry it by back?

If it's by back, then goooood luck :lol:. That's going to be a massive bitch.


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Re: Food planning for one month in bush [Re: boletusoftruth]
    #9627634 - 01/17/09 05:44 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

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The best thing you can do is start training your body NOW to survive on less food. You can train your body to become a more metabolic efficient machine. If you stop eating until you are FULL, and instead just eat until you are no longer hungry, then slowly reduce the amount you eat, you will find after a week or 2 you can eat ALOT less and still have plenty of energy. If you exercise on a low calorie diet your body becomes more efficient. The key is a very gradual and steady drop in caloric intake. Your body needs time to adjust. Which is why if you start now you will not run into any issues.




With this in mind, I wonder just how little one could get away with eating, and still remaning healthy and functional?

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