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needle too short to penatrate top layer of vermiculite
    #9620172 - 01/16/09 09:55 AM (15 years, 14 days ago)

hello all,

My wheat berry jars turned out great yesterday, and I knocked them up last night. For the ones that have a layer of vermiculite on top of the grain, Im afraid that the needle tip could not penetrate all the way through the layer of verm. therefor, some of the liquid just got squirted on top of the verm. Will the spore solution simply flow through the verm layer and reach the grains, or should I destroy the protective verm layer by giving them a shake to distribute the spores? (used 1 cc B+ per 1q jar)

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Re: needle too short to penatrate top layer of vermiculite [Re: Harry Mannbakk]
    #9620220 - 01/16/09 10:04 AM (15 years, 14 days ago)

You're not supposed to use verm as a filter with grains because grains need to be shaken half way through colonization. That's why you never fill grain jars more than 2/3 full. Use tyvek, micropore tape, polyfill, or synthetic filter disks.
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Re: needle too short to penatrate top layer of vermiculite [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9620243 - 01/16/09 10:07 AM (15 years, 14 days ago)

I'm a tyvek guy,and cover my inoculation hole with a piece of alcohol soaked micopore tape :yesnod:


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Re: needle too short to penatrate top layer of vermiculite [Re: Blutjager]
    #9620252 - 01/16/09 10:08 AM (15 years, 14 days ago)

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I'm a tyvek guy,and cover my inoculation hole with a piece of alcohol soaked micopore tape :yesnod:




QFT although a dab of RTV on the injection site never hurt anybody.


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Re: needle too short to penatrate top layer of vermiculite [Re: Knifeplay]
    #9620266 - 01/16/09 10:12 AM (15 years, 14 days ago)

Or use the rtv as an injection port.


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Re: needle too short to penatrate top layer of vermiculite [Re: Spongiform]
    #9620272 - 01/16/09 10:14 AM (15 years, 14 days ago)

my question is if I should shake the jars or not?


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Re: needle too short to penatrate top layer of vermiculite [Re: Spongiform]
    #9620284 - 01/16/09 10:17 AM (15 years, 14 days ago)

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Or use the rtv as an injection port.




I only do that for LC


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Re: needle too short to penatrate top layer of vermiculite [Re: Harry Mannbakk]
    #9620286 - 01/16/09 10:17 AM (15 years, 14 days ago)

are the jars full to the top with grain?

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not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.

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Re: needle too short to penatrate top layer of vermiculite [Re: Harry Mannbakk]
    #9620336 - 01/16/09 10:27 AM (15 years, 14 days ago)

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my question is if I should shake the jars or not?




I wouldn't with the verm on top, may have contaminates.


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Re: needle too short to penatrate top layer of vermiculite [Re: Lennyk]
    #9620587 - 01/16/09 11:05 AM (15 years, 14 days ago)

no, they are about 3/4 full with 1cm verm, already inoculated, but the needle didn't reach all the way through the verm. layer

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Re: needle too short to penatrate top layer of vermiculite [Re: Harry Mannbakk]
    #9620601 - 01/16/09 11:07 AM (15 years, 14 days ago)

did you pc the verm in the jars with the grain?
and how did you make your lids

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Re: needle too short to penatrate top layer of vermiculite [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #9620681 - 01/16/09 11:23 AM (15 years, 14 days ago)

shake em, mix it up.  if its still soon after u knocked em up.:syringe: 

top layer of verm is for pf-tek style jars not bulk grain.  fyi.

if it hasnt been too long after knocking them up go ahead and shake.  then again when its 50% colonized(just dont shake to mess up your filter).  Put some type of 'filter' over/in your hole(s) on your jar AFTER u shake the first time or u will clog your filter when shaking. 

this is only suggested for this situation.  :foshizzle:

 

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Re: needle too short to penatrate top layer of vermiculite [Re: 13shrooms]
    #9620834 - 01/16/09 11:56 AM (15 years, 14 days ago)

the vermiculite was added (dry) on top of the grains when I loaded the jars so the verm was pc'ed. Lids: 20 in all, 5 polyfill lid down, 5 polyfill lid up, 5 micropore lid down, 5 micropore lid up because I wanted to experiment with the lids while using the same batch of grains and syringe to determine the best method for me. At lest that way, something can be learned from even a bad result.

In fact, some jars are 3/4 with no vermiculite at all, and the needle still didn't penetrate into the grain, should I shake those jars?

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Re: needle too short to penatrate top layer of vermiculite [Re: Harry Mannbakk]
    #9620850 - 01/16/09 12:00 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

It doesn't need to penetrate into the grain


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Re: needle too short to penatrate top layer of vermiculite [Re: Harry Mannbakk]
    #9620856 - 01/16/09 12:01 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

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the vermiculite was added (dry) on top of the grains when I loaded the jars so the verm was pc'ed. Lids: 20 in all, 5 polyfill lid down, 5 polyfill lid up, 5 micropore lid down, 5 micropore lid up because I wanted to experiment with the lids while using the same batch of grains and syringe to determine the best method for me. At lest that way, something can be learned from even a bad result.

In fact, some jars are 3/4 with no vermiculite at all, and the needle still didn't penetrate into the grain, should I shake those jars?

-Harry Mannbakk





no, dont shake those they should b fine.

theirs just nothing for myc to grow on in the verm layer or enough moisture in the "dry" verm to germinate your spores.  shake only the jars w/verm on top.


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Re: needle too short to penatrate top layer of vermiculite [Re: 13shrooms]
    #9620924 - 01/16/09 12:18 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

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the vermiculite was added (dry) on top of the grains when I loaded the jars so the verm was pc'ed. Lids: 20 in all, 5 polyfill lid down, 5 polyfill lid up, 5 micropore lid down, 5 micropore lid up because I wanted to experiment with the lids while using the same batch of grains and syringe to determine the best method for me. At lest that way, something can be learned from even a bad result.

In fact, some jars are 3/4 with no vermiculite at all, and the needle still didn't penetrate into the grain, should I shake those jars?

-Harry Mannbakk





no, dont shake those they should b fine.

theirs just nothing for myc to grow on in the verm layer or enough moisture in the "dry" verm to germinate your spores.  shake only the jars w/verm on top.




I was just talking about this in another thread..I learned that verm alone can actually be used to grow mushrooms on,I never would have thought this to be true but it was RR himself who I talked to about this and I highly doubt he is wrong


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Re: needle too short to penatrate top layer of vermiculite [Re: Blutjager]
    #9620993 - 01/16/09 12:34 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

thanks for all the support!

I decided to not shake the jars with grain only, and to shake only 2 or 3 jars with the vermiculite layer, so I will wait a few days and let all you guys know about these jars and the results of this experimental grow. (by experimental i mean finding out what works best for me, I don't want to take credit for any tek that i describe, only my results)

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Re: needle too short to penatrate top layer of vermiculite [Re: Blutjager]
    #9621114 - 01/16/09 12:55 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

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Harry Mannbakk said:
the vermiculite was added (dry) on top of the grains when I loaded the jars so the verm was pc'ed. Lids: 20 in all, 5 polyfill lid down, 5 polyfill lid up, 5 micropore lid down, 5 micropore lid up because I wanted to experiment with the lids while using the same batch of grains and syringe to determine the best method for me. At lest that way, something can be learned from even a bad result.

In fact, some jars are 3/4 with no vermiculite at all, and the needle still didn't penetrate into the grain, should I shake those jars?

-Harry Mannbakk





no, dont shake those they should b fine.

theirs just nothing for myc to grow on in the verm layer or enough moisture in the "dry" verm to germinate your spores.  shake only the jars w/verm on top.




I was just talking about this in another thread..I learned that verm alone can actually be used to grow mushrooms on,I never would have thought this to be true but it was RR himself who I talked to about this and I highly doubt he is wrong





no hes not wrong.
hes also not talking about just strait DRY verm either. thats the difference.


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