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Re: Slightly confused / let down [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9610825 - 01/14/09 08:08 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

yep, sure was.

potent as hell too.
like I said, also had piracetam + lecithin (phosphatidyl choline)

about 8mg was vaped yesterday (without piracetam + lecithin), with less of an effect


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Re: Slightly confused / let down [Re: piracetam]
    #9610867 - 01/14/09 08:14 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Interesting. I've been thinking of trying piracetam, simply for the nootropic effects, but it enhances DMT as well?


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Re: Slightly confused / let down [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #9610902 - 01/14/09 08:21 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

possibly

i know it's reputed to increase membrane permeability, i'm sure this has some effect on bioavailability (also reputed to be synergistic with a variety of compounds)
it has its hands in several neurotransmitter systems, but isn't specific to any.
I posted two papers in this thread

on the market/studied for over 30 years, and researchers still don't know exactly how piracetam functions :shrug:


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Re: Slightly confused / let down [Re: piracetam]
    #9612200 - 01/14/09 11:53 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Don't touch the pipe with the flame.




this is key

don't ever expose the dmt to raw flame. it destroys it.






I find this interesting, because I have applied direct flame almost every time I've smoked DMT. Although the method I used most was a kind of 50-50  vaporize/smoke

My method has usually been:

1- Insert as much DMT as will fit into the pipe (the area between the steel wool and the lip of the "crack stem). Really pack the stuff in there.

2- Using a lighter, hold the flame several inches beneath the pipe where the steel wool is, the pipe being held at a SLIGHT diagonal...allowing some of the material to melt and run onto the steel wool.

(But not too much/full melting and trying not to let anything run down below the level of the wool. This 2nd step only takes a few seconds.)

3- With pipe to mouth, bring the lighter flame slowly toward the tip of the pipe, breathing in very slowly. With the first hit, I tried to vaporize more than burn, but the hit usually ended with the flame directly AT the tip of the pipe.

4,etc- After exhaling that hit, I would bring the flame right up to the pipe for subsequent hits....being in a hurry to get as much as I can, as fast as I can.


Usually taking more than 3 hits is difficult, if not impossible--I'm normally experiencing the effects by the 3rd hit, and feel like I've been smoking this stuff for AGES.

So, my method may not have been the best... but I've definitely burned it, and I've definitely gotten pretty full effects.

One other thing I wanted to note... I found using a "meth pipe" and purely vaporizing it to be MUCH harder, and much more harsh for some reason.


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Re: Slightly confused / let down [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #9612306 - 01/15/09 12:28 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

The first time I did it the second I exhaled I was gone :grin:


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Re: Slightly confused / let down [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #9612349 - 01/15/09 12:40 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I've never tried using steel wool or anything. I enjoy the simplicity of the tweak pipe. It takes practice but it also saves you a LOT of spice compared to all other methods. If you do it right you will waste virtually no DMT at all.


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Re: Slightly confused / let down [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #9613213 - 01/15/09 07:26 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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CidneyIndole said:ect flame almost every time I've smoked DMT. Although the method I used most was a kind of 50-50  vaporize/smoke

My method has usually been:

1- Insert as much DMT as will fit into the pipe (the area between the steel wool and the lip of the "crack stem). Really pack the stuff in there.




so basically you just using the 'sandwich' method, except for putting herb on top you just waste the dmt thats on top...

i haven't used steel wool, but is seems like if you put so much dmt that if you melt it down all the way and it melts below the steel it would be too much dmt and your wasting much of it,,,,


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Re: Slightly confused / let down [Re: SurReality]
    #9614748 - 01/15/09 01:38 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I suppose that's one way to look at it--but I don't really see it like that.

1-The space between the wool and the lip of the pipe is not huge. Filled to capacity it can fit maybe 100mg.

2-I'm not convinced that a lot is wasted with the method I described. Not to say that I have a crack stem that's chock-full of DMT residue, but you could probably get to hyperspace by hitting the wool without adding much more DMT.

3-This may seem wasteful, but... :shrug:  If there is waste, it isn't much. Maybe you have a lot of DMT lying around, and you would rather be SURE you get where you want by wasting 20mg...

I guess that's just the way I looked at it. I'd rather not have wasted any of this chemical that's almost sacred to me... however, having DMT is almost pointless if it doesn't take you where it should... or it's overly-difficult to get there.


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Re: Slightly confused / let down [Re: piracetam]
    #9615984 - 01/15/09 05:10 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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yep, sure was.

potent as hell too.
like I said, also had piracetam + lecithin (phosphatidyl choline)

about 8mg was vaped yesterday (without piracetam + lecithin), with less of an effect




so you couldn't smoke such a small amount with a "peaking a 7 hits of acid" effect without it being in a combination? cuz i thought you were saying your skill of smoking it is what did it...


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Re: Slightly confused / let down [Re: SurReality]
    #9616048 - 01/15/09 05:19 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

lol no way

vaped it on a makeshift tinfoil bowl, inhaled through a glass tube.


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Re: Slightly confused / let down [Re: piracetam]
    #9616291 - 01/15/09 05:52 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

lol i c, i thought i had to make some drastic advances in my smoking ability :deemsters: , i don't even know what the other drugs you mentioned do, prolly why i didn't get it...


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Re: Slightly confused / let down [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #9618415 - 01/15/09 11:39 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Any DMT burning at all means a lot is being wasted. It just shouldn't get anywhere near that hot if you're trying to conserve. AFAIK a clear "breakthrough" dose of DMT is in the ballpark of 50mg.


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Re: Slightly confused / let down [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #9619357 - 01/16/09 05:22 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

^^^ That's why I keep saying to people to get one of these:



Heated gently with a bic lighter from below, you can watch the spice melt and vaporize and never run the risk of the flame scorching the goods.  Works every time.

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