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InvisibleSwami
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Male Discrimination is OK
    #961470 - 10/15/02 01:04 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Went to join a new health club. They proudly proclaim on their marquee "Ladies Join Free". Only cost me $80 to join because I am a male. What if the sign said, "Whites Join Free"? There would be a huge backlash, but it is OK to discriminate against males. There are also many nightclubs in town where there is "No cover for ladies."

Join the armed forces or police and women can wear their hair long or short, but men must have there hair short.

I know that these are nothing issues, but speak of a cultural outlook. When I was unemployed and dating women that made $150K+, I was still "expected" to pick up the tab because I am a male. Almost all child support is paid by males while custody most always goes to the mother regardless of fitness. We frequently hear of "deadbeat dads", but never of "deadbeat moms".

I understand that this is a backlash from denying women's rights for a long time, but is just as unethical.



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Re: Male Discrimination is OK [Re: Swami]
    #961501 - 10/15/02 01:09 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

You're really tryin to start shit now aren't you?  :wink:....with that in mind.........
I could care less if I or anyone else is discriminated against because they are male.  Males are generally pretty dimwitted anyway, right?  Why should we get free stuff? 


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Re: Male Discrimination is OK [Re: dee_N_ae]
    #961640 - 10/15/02 01:40 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I have been discussing this topic with some buddies for the last month. I totally agree with you.

Women fought long and hard for equal rights, specifically to join the military. When was the last time you saw a woman fighting to join the selective reserve. They want the benefits of military jobs and such but not the responsibility of being drafted in wartime like men.

I am all for equal rights for women but that should be all encompassing. This means if they get the rights they should also get the responsibilities and negatives that go along with it. They want their cake and to eat it too.


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Re: Male Discrimination is OK [Re: Swami]
    #962554 - 10/15/02 10:44 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Good post Swami, and I understand where you are coming from.
There seems to be this double standard these days where woman have equal rights and are equal which they fought long and hard for, but they still want to be treated like a 'lady'. It's ok these days to work your ass off all day and bring home the money but expect her to cook dinner? Get out of my face you sexist bastard.

There is a difference between cultural standards and the actual natural role of the sexes. Males are naturally the provider, protector, and food bringer.. Females are the nurturing, loving, homemaker. They care for the young. This is not some delusional image I conjured up last night but is actually how it works in nature. Of course, being human, we love to go against the flow of nature.

The womans rights movement had good intentions behind it when it started, but it went way beyond what any good intentions can serve. Now the cultural image of the sexes are mangled beyond recognition. Woman are still entitled to their womanly social benefits yet assume no extra responsibility for them. The movement has served a good purpose in some forms, but has spawned a generation of man-hating, "free" woman, that can do whatever their heart desires. Why should they have to stay at home and take care of the children? Let the men do it. Forgetting the fact that woman are naturally designed to take care of children, what with their motherly nurturing nature and their BREASTS that lactate.

Forgive my rant but I have seen the negative aspec ts of what this movement has created. I'm all for equality, but at least use some common sense.

This is the same country where Alcohol is the cause of hundreds of thousands of deaths a year, so they ban toy guns. - George Carlin


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Re: Male Discrimination is OK [Re: Shroomism]
    #962558 - 10/15/02 10:54 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

ok check this out: let's put aside the male and female part of this post. i don't think it's important which sex does which, but i do believe that the best way to run a family is for one of the partners to work and the other to take care of home issues....


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Re: Male Discrimination is OK [Re: Swami]
    #962914 - 10/15/02 02:18 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

swami your post does have some truth to it about society. On one hand feminists want men and women to be the same person (not possible, undeniably there are psychological and physiological differences). Other women love to be pampered and catered to in the classic way.

However, regarding the health club, they are just trying to make money. Same with dance clubs. If you have girls at the dance club, it's sure to succeed.

There is a sex club in san francisco called the power exchange. Its something like $50 for a man to enter but free for women, and also free for a man who goes in with a woman!

Sometimes some of this is simple economics and I think this minor discimination is fine. But I do agree that there is quite a bit of discrimination towards males, especially white males.
Just remember, males (especially whites) have it easier when it comes to most aspects of american society.


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Re: Male Discrimination is OK [Re: Swami]
    #963118 - 10/15/02 03:26 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Do any women visit this forum; :shocked: or participate in this forum?


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Re: Male Discrimination is OK [Re: Swami]
    #963186 - 10/15/02 03:45 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

It sounds more like a technique to get more males at your fitness place :smile:
i know lots of clubs that are free for the ladies, and 5 e's for the guys..did that stop guys from coming.... HELL NO..


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Re: Male Discrimination is OK [Re: Birdseye]
    #963202 - 10/15/02 03:49 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

White males have it easier when it comes to most aspects of american society? In some areas of the country (the south) they may still be disliked, but for the most part I believe thats done away with.

What really steams my oysters is when there is an all white club its pressured to admit blacks into it, but if its an all blacks club it can stay all black. I personally dont believe there should be either, but if they can keep all black clubs all black, why not the other way around?

I can understand the free admittance of women into clubs because it does make money if they've got girls. I think that if they want to work they can also take some responsibility to pay.  Equal rights should be equal, not equal minus the part they don't like. Damn Rosie the riviter!  :smirk:
 


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Re: Male Discrimination is OK [Re: Galvie_Flu]
    #963211 - 10/15/02 03:51 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

A couple do... but not nearly enough. :frown: 


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Re: Male Discrimination is OK [Re: Sclorch]
    #963277 - 10/15/02 04:23 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

i am a dude, but there are some tough ladies out there....aka my sister. She goes to the Naval Acadamey and is training to become a Marien officer. usually people think if a chick want to be a marien, she is gonna be butch....not my sister, she is 5'1 and fucking weights 119 and starts some position in rugby. and is going for all american and #1 rugby team in NCAA. My sister is one tough cookie but she is still a woman and needs womenly things. This is what i think women fought for. My sister can carry her own weight and she can cook pertty damn good......

GO SIS!!!!!

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Re: Male Discrimination is OK [Re: GrowingVines]
    #963403 - 10/15/02 05:09 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

wow, small world. My sister was a reserve on the USA rugby national team. She starts for the berkeley all-blues (winners of the last 4 or so national championships).

I definitely agree there is plenty of reverse descrimination. It's like at my college, there are Black unity groups and Latino groups and such... where the hell is the Human Unity group? If minorities ever want full integration, they will eventually have to end the organizational segregation they have imposed on themselves.


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Re: Male Discrimination is OK [Re: Birdseye]
    #963492 - 10/15/02 05:50 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

very true, to actually become part of society as a hole, you have to leave your "rascial and political groups".


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Re: Male Discrimination is OK [Re: Swami]
    #963564 - 10/15/02 06:25 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Imagine a black person walking down the street with a shirt that says "Black Pride".

Now imagine a white person walking down the street with a shirt that says "White Pride".

Which will be viewed as offensive? :smile: 


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Re: Male Discrimination is OK [Re: Swami]
    #963642 - 10/15/02 06:55 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

I understand that this is a backlash from denying women's rights for a long time, but is just as unethical.




I believe the dominant males are trying to be nice with women  :tongue: :, i'm with Freud on this one.
 
Quote:

Went to join a new health club. They proudly proclaim on their marquee "Ladies Join Free". Only cost me $80 to join because I am a male. ....... There are also many nightclubs in town where there is "No cover for ladies."



This two first assumptions are clearly justified by financial  profit obtained by cultural/sexual call. Those who run this comercial establishments think this way: "I get many women because they are atracted to the idea of spending less or nothing-->'Finacial gain'. I get more man because they could pay the same in other place but the more women i have then more man are attracted -->'Sexual call'".
A bar with a good 'ladies night' attracts much more people (man and women) than a normal night, profit thru sexual call.
The "Ladies Night" equation:
(Finacial profit from man "x$")-(Productive loss from women "y$")=(profit margin "z$")
You have to equate managing x and y. The productive loss with y is only marginal, it represents the the portion you payed to your supplier to obtain the product you're delivering minus taxes. The profit with x is much more substancial, it represents the value you're selling wich is far more superior to the one you're buying. So you could have many women using or buying for free, but you will also have many males seeking the many females and covering that production loss.

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What if the sign said, "Whites Join Free"? There would be a huge backlash, but it is OK to discriminate against males. 



What you wrote doesn't make sense. I see it as a different issue, cultural and ratial i believe. How can you relate both ?

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Join the armed forces or police and women can wear their hair long or short, but men must have there hair short.




The roman hair cut style is still used due to many factors, mostly because is safer in battle, it's easier to care and doesn't reproduce "little bugs" when you sleep with more 40 guys inside a hut.
Well in the army, women rarelly engage in batlle, so they theorically they have time to take care of his hair, also since man are dominant in higher places they simply want to be surrounded (if they are) with woman fitting a beauty pattern (Freud again...), man doesn't "need" a beauty pattern in the army. You can call them old fashioned, i think they don't mind :smirk: .

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Edited by MAIA (10/16/02 05:44 AM)


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Re: Male Discrimination is OK [Re: Shroomism]
    #963865 - 10/15/02 08:18 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Males are naturally the provider, protector, and food bringer. Females are the nurturing, loving, homemaker.This is not some delusional image I conjured up last night but is actually how it works in nature.

Doesn't the femaie black widow spider kill the male after they have sex so the young could be fed? Doesn't the female praying mantis kill the male after having sex? Didn't the ancient Amazon women use men for their sperm and afterwards killed them as well as any male babies?

So in a sense yer right, the male is the "provider" and "food bringer" but the female doesn't seem too "nurturing and loving" in many cases. Hey this is not some delusional image I conjured up just a moment ago, but is actually how it works in nature  :grin: 


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Re: Male Discrimination is OK [Re: Shroomism]
    #964382 - 10/15/02 11:13 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Shroomism,

Nice to see you posting. I have to say I can hardly believe you are the age you say you are. Your maturity is way beyond your years.

On this topic?

I will only say this. One of the reasons I like the Shroomery, and I just came to this realization, is because it is primarily male.

I enjoy rational dialogue. There usually isn't much of that when you are talking with a woman. I'm not even going to put some kind of disclaimer in there to 'justify' my previous statement. Women are, well, women. Take it from there.

Cheers,


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Re: Male Discrimination is OK [Re: ]
    #964595 - 10/16/02 12:39 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Dude... you sound like Schopenhauer.

Women are culturally conditioned to be "women." I've met several women who have managed to either escape or reject the conditioning process... they're equal in my book.


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Re: Male Discrimination is OK [Re: Sclorch]
    #964826 - 10/16/02 02:11 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

And here I thought you actually knew something about brain chemistry. :smirk: 


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Re: Male Discrimination is OK [Re: ]
    #964863 - 10/16/02 02:24 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

If they were all different (not equal) from me... I would chalk it up to brain chemistry. However, I've met several fine examples that prove to me that it is probably due to nurture, rather than nature.

Now it could be said that these lucky ladies might be suffering (?) from some sort of chemical balance that makes them less like men (wtfe). However, they have no other mental ailments whatsoever and, in fact, were quite intelligent... and not just in the mathematics department- I'm talking about zentelligence? (hence the equality). And they also come from different age groups.

And none of them have been "abducted" (Sorry Shroomism).


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