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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #9621386 - 01/16/09 01:55 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

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OneMoreRobot3021 said:
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flip3084 said:
they are fighiting palestinians who have no more than pipe bombs, sticks and rocks.




Oh come on, do you really believe this?




in comparison, he's right, tell us about the air traffic in and out of the IDF controlled Gaza airport, how many tanks do the palestinians possess, what kind of heavy artillery do they have, a few mortars and some rockets made in a machine shop fueled by sugar and potassium nitrate, it's like a giant bottle rocket, there's no guidance system, which it probably why 8 people are killed by 2000 rockets



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Before the six-month ceasefire, Hamas' "homemade" Qassam rockets (homemade is a myth, you realize) could reach about 15 miles outside of the Gaza strip to Israeli settlements, if I'm remembering my #'s correctly. In the six months time of the ceasefire, once the rocket launches began again in late December, the range had increased by more than two-fold.




and at any given time the IDF could walk in, do house to house searches, arrest, rape and kill any civilian by claiming they were hamas terrorists, hell, you abduct my kids and I'll do what ever it takes to get them back, if I cant get them back I'll kill everyone you ever knew and destroy any life you ever had, it's called revenge

now look back over the timeline, you mention those rockets in
decenmer, what about the IDF strike in November, what about the
preemptive IDF strike in december prior to hamas 'violating' the
cease fire, seems it's still tit for tat, just as it's always been

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You're really kidding yourself if you believe this is a war being fought by peasants with rocks and sticks. The Egyptian border smuggling tunnels have to be shut down - these rockets are not homemade. They are Iran-funded, Iran-built, and Iran-smuggled to Hamas.




so why does Israel need our permission to go attack iran, they
have all the circumstantial evidence they need, if Iran is
funding and supplying them then where are the anti tank rockets,
where's the Fajir anti aircraft batteries, the Misagh SAMs, the
surface to surface missiles, isnt Iran that wants to wipe israel
off the map? why wouldnt they be arming the palestinians with
more than a little common household items and some steel pipe


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I've just gotten a wider perspective on a situation




did you get a chance to visit Gaza or ask any of the residents what's going on over there?

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Hamas is a disgusting organization.




the Israeli government has become the Nazi Party


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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: Seuss]
    #9621392 - 01/16/09 01:57 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

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Seuss said:
> how long before gaza looks like this?

According to Iran, that never happened.




According to me, canada doesnt exist


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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9621519 - 01/16/09 02:22 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

> According to me, canada doesnt exist

No real loss.  :wink:


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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #9621629 - 01/16/09 02:49 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

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OneMoreRobot3021 said:
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flip3084 said:
they are fighiting palestinians who have no more than pipe bombs, sticks and rocks.



The Egyptian border smuggling tunnels have to be shut down - these rockets are not homemade. They are Iran-funded, Iran-built, and Iran-smuggled to Hamas.




Link please.


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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9622051 - 01/16/09 04:25 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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OneMoreRobot3021 said:
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flip3084 said:
they are fighiting palestinians who have no more than pipe bombs, sticks and rocks.




Oh come on, do you really believe this?




in comparison, he's right, tell us about the air traffic in and out of the IDF controlled Gaza airport, how many tanks do the palestinians possess, what kind of heavy artillery do they have, a few mortars and some rockets made in a machine shop fueled by sugar and potassium nitrate, it's like a giant bottle rocket, there's no guidance system, which it probably why 8 people are killed by 2000 rockets




So they are incompetent murderers.  What's your point?
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Before the six-month ceasefire, Hamas' "homemade" Qassam rockets (homemade is a myth, you realize) could reach about 15 miles outside of the Gaza strip to Israeli settlements, if I'm remembering my #'s correctly. In the six months time of the ceasefire, once the rocket launches began again in late December, the range had increased by more than two-fold.




and at any given time the IDF could walk in, do house to house searches, arrest, rape and kill any civilian by claiming they were hamas terrorists, hell, you abduct my kids and I'll do what ever it takes to get them back, if I cant get them back I'll kill everyone you ever knew and destroy any life you ever had, it's called revenge




Please provide some examples of this, Arab.  At any time I can walk into anybody's house and do anything I damn well please.  But I don't, Arab.  Because I'm not a murdering Islamist thug. 
Speaking of kids, I understand Gilad Shalit had parents.  But you know Pally's don't give a fuck about their kids.  If they did they wouldn't strap bombs to them and send them to Israeli restaurants.  Every dead Palestinian child is a boon to Hamas because there are weepy nitwits.
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now look back over the timeline, you mention those rockets in
decenmer, what about the IDF strike in November, what about the
preemptive IDF strike in december prior to hamas 'violating' the
cease fire, seems it's still tit for tat, just as it's always been


  Hamas has never ceased firing rockets and mortars into Israel.  The only ceasefire that ever existed was by Israel.  Even during this current action, when Israel suspends activity to allow aid trucks (to be stolen by Hamas) in, Hamas continues firing rockets. They never have and never will stop until Israel is gone.  Ask them.  It's in their charter.
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You're really kidding yourself if you believe this is a war being fought by peasants with rocks and sticks. The Egyptian border smuggling tunnels have to be shut down - these rockets are not homemade. They are Iran-funded, Iran-built, and Iran-smuggled to Hamas.




so why does Israel need our permission to go attack iran, they
have all the circumstantial evidence they need, if Iran is
funding and supplying them then where are the anti tank rockets,
where's the Fajir anti aircraft batteries, the Misagh SAMs, the
surface to surface missiles, isnt Iran that wants to wipe israel
off the map? why wouldnt they be arming the palestinians with
more than a little common household items and some steel pipe




You'll have to ask Iran why they don't give the retards better weapons but they have certainly and repeatedly expressed that their goal is to wipe Israel off the map.  To assert otherwise is to lie.  I personally think that Iran finds it to their advantage to continue to use the Palestinians as anti-Israeli propaganda tools.  They don't want them to prevail, they want to continue to use them to drum up outrage among the useful idiots.  Why doesn't Iran directly attack Israel?  Because Israel will make them go boom.  Bye bye mullahtards.
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I've just gotten a wider perspective on a situation




did you get a chance to visit Gaza or ask any of the residents what's going on over there?

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Hamas is a disgusting organization.




the Israeli government has become the Nazi Party




Bullshit, Arab.  If there were NO attacks from Hamas (rockets, mortars, suicide bombers, kidnappings) there would be no Israeli tanks in Gaza.  If there were no Israeli tanks in Gaza would Hamas stop attacking Israel?  Only a retard would answer that in the affirmative.  An anencephalic retard.


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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9622113 - 01/16/09 04:36 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

Hamas continued to fire rockets at Israel after a peace had been negotiated.

Hamas brought the conflict upon the Palestinian people.

Israel has the right to defend itself. Hamas are cowards and they hide among civilians.

This was ALL Hamas' fault. The fact that Israel is responding to terror is a good thing.

Anti-Semites use any excuse to criticize Israel.


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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: Sid]
    #9622124 - 01/16/09 04:38 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

They're both retards.

And everyone seems to be having a wonderful time.

Let them have their fun.


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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: Sid]
    #9622206 - 01/16/09 04:53 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

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Anti-Semites use any excuse to criticize Israel.




I knew that was coming.. Believing Israel is not so innocent makes some one an anti semite?? I will go ahead and sensor myself so as not to be "flagged". That is the biggest crock of shit.:crymeariver:


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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: flip3084]
    #9622210 - 01/16/09 04:53 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

Its "censor", goyim.

And I never said Israel was blameless. But Hamas is more to blame.


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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9622250 - 01/16/09 05:00 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

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So they are incompetent murderers.  What's your point?
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it was made, sorry you missed it

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Please provide some examples of this, Arab.




they've been provided several times, sorry you missed them


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You'll have to ask Iran why they don't give the retards better weapons




you'll have to show me where iran is supplying them weapons before I ask

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they have certainly and repeatedly expressed that their goal is to wipe Israel off the map.




and how many air strikes has iran made against israel, to assert
that israel isnt trying to wipe the palestinians off the map
would also be a lie, regardless of where a declaration has been made

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I personally think that Iran finds it to their advantage to continue to use the Palestinians as anti-Israeli propaganda tools. 




israel is generating all this on their own, half the casualties
are little children, most of the other half are just civilians,
a thousand dead, thousands more wounded and maybe a dozen are
hamas leaders... they fight the way I would only I'll eliminate
the dog an pony show and call it what it is

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Bullshit, Arab.  If there were NO attacks from Hamas (rockets, mortars, suicide bombers, kidnappings) there would be no Israeli tanks in Gaza.  If there were no Israeli tanks in Gaza would Hamas stop attacking Israel?  Only a retard would answer that in the affirmative.  An anencephalic retard.




it's easy to speculate that you're correct but the simple fact
of the matter is israel hasnt stopped, they've been an occupying
and oppressive force long before israels creation, they've been
terrorists since the beginning, it's in their blood to murder
women and children, it's all that they know, it's obvious since
they couldnt handle the ceas fire and had to continue provoking
hamas and the islamic jihad, you may know them better as Harakat
al-Jihad al-Islami al-Filastini, they arent hamas, they fired
rocket during the cease fire, since they didnt have a cease fire
agreement with israel I see no problem with it


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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9622626 - 01/16/09 06:20 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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zappaisgod said:
So they are incompetent murderers.  What's your point?
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it was made, sorry you missed it




Well then, your point is that they're incompetent.  No shit.  They're still murderers.
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Please provide some examples of this, Arab.




they've been provided several times, sorry you missed them




Liar.
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You'll have to ask Iran why they don't give the retards better weapons




you'll have to show me where iran is supplying them weapons before I ask




Really?  Are you that stunningly ignorant?
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they have certainly and repeatedly expressed that their goal is to wipe Israel off the map.




and how many air strikes has iran made against israel,



None.  They don't dare.  They are cowards and use proxies, among them Hamas and Hezbollah.
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to assert that israel isnt trying to wipe the palestinians off the map would also be a lie,



Why?  They have defeated them in war so many times that if that was their goal they would have accomplished it several times over.  Because the Pallys are, essentially, retards who can't fight.  Losers and pussies hiding behind their women and children.  Did I say losers?  Yes and abject failures at everything they have done.
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regardless of where a declaration has been made



I have developed a strong belief that if someone says they want to kill you it is best to take them at their word.  You can't lose by believing them.
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I personally think that Iran finds it to their advantage to continue to use the Palestinians as anti-Israeli propaganda tools. 




israel is generating all this on their own, half the casualties
are little children, most of the other half are just civilians,
a thousand dead, thousands more wounded and maybe a dozen are
hamas leaders... they fight the way I would only I'll eliminate
the dog an pony show and call it what it is



This is just great.  Over the top nonsense like this exposes you as the liar you are, Arab.
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Bullshit, Arab.  If there were NO attacks from Hamas (rockets, mortars, suicide bombers, kidnappings) there would be no Israeli tanks in Gaza.  If there were no Israeli tanks in Gaza would Hamas stop attacking Israel?  Only a retard would answer that in the affirmative.  An anencephalic retard.




it's easy to speculate that you're correct but the simple fact
of the matter is israel hasnt stopped, they've been an occupying
and oppressive force long before israels creation, they've been
terrorists since the beginning, it's in their blood to murder
women and children, it's all that they know, it's obvious since
they couldnt handle the ceas fire and had to continue provoking
hamas and the islamic jihad, you may know them better as Harakat
al-Jihad al-Islami al-Filastini, they arent hamas, they fired
rocket during the cease fire, since they didnt have a cease fire
agreement with israel I see no problem with it




Of course you see no problem with it.  You are an anti-semite.  Let me quote your above.

"the simple fact
of the matter is israel hasnt stopped, they've been an occupying
and oppressive force long before israels creation"

How could they be an occupying force before they existed, Arab?,
"they've been
terrorists since the beginning, it's in their blood to murder
women and children, it's all that they know,"

Are you Bill Moyers?
"it's obvious since
they couldnt handle the ceas fire"
Israel seemed to handle the cease fire rather well, i.e. they ceased firing.  Hamas?  Not so much.
"and had to continue provoking"
By existing
"hamas and the islamic jihad, you may know them better as Harakat
al-Jihad al-Islami al-Filastini, they arent hamas, they fired
rocket during the cease fire, since they didnt have a cease fire
agreement with israel I see no problem with it"

Hamas, by vote and force of arms, has taken complete control of the Gaza Strip.  They are responsible for everything there.  Nothing happens there without their say-so.


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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: flip3084]
    #9622648 - 01/16/09 06:25 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

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flip3084 said:
Quote:

Sid said:


Anti-Semites use any excuse to criticize Israel.




I knew that was coming.. Believing Israel is not so innocent makes some one an anti semite?? I will go ahead and sensor myself so as not to be "flagged". That is the biggest crock of shit.:crymeariver:




Criticizing Israel is not de facto anti-semitic.  But this is:

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Prisoner1 said
"it's in their blood to murder
women and children, it's all that they know,"
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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9624108 - 01/16/09 11:44 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

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zappaisgod said:
They're still murderers.




sure... they're murderers, but what do you call a group that
herds another onto a small reservation and slowly but
systematically starts killing them all off, I seem to remember
reading about a few groups like that, for some reason one, one
of those groups was condemned for their actions by the whole
world... looks like it's happening again, remember learning in
school about the nazi sympathizers?

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Please provide some examples of this, Arab.




they've been provided several times, sorry you missed them




Liar.





I see...



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You'll have to ask Iran why they don't give the retards better weapons




you'll have to show me where iran is supplying them weapons before I ask




Really?  Are you that stunningly ignorant?




you'll have to prove it

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Hamas, by vote and force of arms, has taken complete control of the Gaza Strip.  They are responsible for everything there.  Nothing happens there without their say-so.




yeah... and skinheads, militias and the like dont exist in the
US either, prove beyond a reasonable doubt it was hamas with
ever single rocket


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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9624156 - 01/16/09 11:55 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Criticizing Israel is not de facto anti-semitic.  But this is:

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Prisoner1 said
"it's in their blood to murder
women and children, it's all that they know,"
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I know... the truth hurts, it just rattles your cage and you
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calling... you're welcom to show us the facts as the world sees
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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9625234 - 01/17/09 07:28 AM (15 years, 13 days ago)

Palestinians voted Hamas in, therefore they're all enemy combatants meaning its Israel's right and moral obligation to exterminate all Palestinian muslims.


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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: Luddite]
    #9625506 - 01/17/09 10:00 AM (15 years, 13 days ago)

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its Israel's right






who gave them this right?


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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9625803 - 01/17/09 11:18 AM (15 years, 13 days ago)

The right of all nations to defend themselves.


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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9626068 - 01/17/09 12:16 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

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zappaisgod said:
The right of all nations to defend themselves.





way to answer a question never asked

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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9626535 - 01/17/09 02:24 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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zappaisgod said:
They're still murderers.




sure... they're murderers, but what do you call a group that
herds another onto a small reservation and slowly but
systematically starts killing them all off, I seem to remember
reading about a few groups like that, for some reason one, one
of those groups was condemned for their actions by the whole
world... looks like it's happening again, remember learning in
school about the nazi sympathizers?



What herding?  What slow systematic killing off?  You are a fantasist (politesse for liar).  If there is a slow systematic killing off why does wikipedia cite the Gaza Strip as one of two examples of this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_trap
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The term demographic trap applies to a country whose population is growing rapidly due to a high birth rate and low death rate.



Also from there: life expectancy at birth:72 years.
The current population of the Gaza Strip is around 1.5M.  In 1967 it was around 930,000.  Some pogrom.
How about this? 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip
From wikipedia, (hence not that fucking hard to find)
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The Gaza Strip as it is known today was the product of the subsequent 1949 Armistice Agreements between Egypt and Israel, often referred to as the Green Line. Egypt then occupied the Strip from 1949 (except for four months of Israeli occupation during the 1956 Suez Crisis) until 1967. The Strip's population was greatly augmented by an influx of Palestinian Arab refugees who fled from Israel during the fighting.



Traitors.  They had full rights in Israel and backed the wrong pony.  They weren't herded there, they left rather than fight for their country which was under attack.  To this day there are Arab MPs in the Knesset.
Like I said, you are a liar.  Whatever school you went to you should get your money back.
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Please provide some examples of this, Arab.




they've been provided several times, sorry you missed them




Liar.





I see...




Well?  Where are they?
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You'll have to ask Iran why they don't give the retards better weapons




you'll have to show me where iran is supplying them weapons before I ask




Really?  Are you that stunningly ignorant?




you'll have to prove it



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Iranian involvement in the Karine-A weapons smuggling ship—intercepted by the Isareli Navy in the Red Sea in January 2002—is well documented. The White House described evidence of Iran's role in the Karine-A incident as ''compelling,'' a conclusion echoed in the statements of Director of Central Intelligence Tenet, senior State Department officials, and even European officials. Speaking before the European Parliament in Strasbourg in February 2002, European Union head of foreign affairs Javier Solana described the Karine-A as ''the link between Iran and the PA,'' adding that ''such a connection had not existed for many years.''(see footnote 42) Hezbollah's role in the affair is also well known. Not only did Iran arrange for Hezbollah external operations commander Imad Mughniyeh to purchase the Karine-A, but Mughniyeh's deputy, Haj Bassem, personally commanded the ship that met the Karine-A at the island of Kish (south of Iran) and oversaw the ship-to-ship transfer of the Iranian weapons.(see footnote 43) But the link extends to Hamas as well.

    According to U.S. officials, Iran offered the PA a substantial discount on the arms in return for being allowed to run a hospital in Gaza and other social-welfare organizations in the Palestinian territories. By these means, Iran hoped to gain a foothold of its own in the Palestinian territories, through which it could build grassroots support, propagate its anti-Israel message, collect intelligence on the activities of U.S. officials, and provide direct support to Hamas and PIJ—an established Iranian modus operandi.




http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2008/080527-iranian-aid.htm
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Rockets and weapons bearing signs of Iranian paint, lettering and serial numbers are making their way into the Gaza Strip and Lebanon — helping Tehran cement its powerful role within militant movements on Israel's northern and southern flanks, senior Israeli security officials say.

The weapons, including an 18-inch fragment of a Grad-type Katyusha rocket seen by The Associated Press, are believed to be reaching blockaded Gaza through a clandestine network: by sea from Sudan to Egypt's Red Sea ports and then by land through the Sinai desert to tunnels that cross into the coastal strip, according to the officials.




But I am sure there is no level of "proof" that will satisfy you.



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Hamas, by vote and force of arms, has taken complete control of the Gaza Strip.  They are responsible for everything there.  Nothing happens there without their say-so.




yeah... and skinheads, militias and the like dont exist in the
US either, prove beyond a reasonable doubt it was hamas with
ever single rocket



They control the country, by vote and by force of arms.  The buck stops with them.  "Beyond a reasonable doubt" for every single rocket?  Are you, like, twelve?  I haven't heard of any skinheads lobbing rockets into Mexico on a regular basis.  You would think that would be something they'd be up for.


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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9626546 - 01/17/09 02:28 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)



Bombed the UN humanitarian compound with WP?  IDF defense minister calls it a "grave mistake"? 

Even the CNN anchors now ask "Why are they using WP in this area?"


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