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Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies
    #9613586 - 01/15/09 09:48 AM (15 years, 15 days ago)

If anyone doubts that Israel is trying to destroy the Palestinian people, take a look at this article.  The Israelis, with full knowledge they were attacking a UN base, destroyed it after claiming they were fired upon from it, which the UN has denied.  The UN is obviously pissed off about it and demanding an explanation as they gave Israel the exact GPS of all their headquarters (bad move in retrospect I guess).

They are blocking aid from getting in, and destroying the aid that does get in.

Fucking disgusting!  I want to go puke, this makes me so fucking sick, I need to go calm myself.

Israeli strike on UN headquarters in Gaza a 'total disaster': UN director


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This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us.

Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: Cannashroom]
    #9613730 - 01/15/09 10:34 AM (15 years, 15 days ago)

c'mon they're only trying to starve hamas


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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: Cannashroom]
    #9613993 - 01/15/09 11:31 AM (15 years, 15 days ago)

I heard that Israel was simply firing at Hamas and some UN building got in the way.  The way you guys spin things... you should be ashamed!

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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: Seuss]
    #9614002 - 01/15/09 11:32 AM (15 years, 15 days ago)

The way the american media spins things.. It is the american way I suppose.


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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: Seuss]
    #9614440 - 01/15/09 12:41 PM (15 years, 15 days ago)

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Seuss said:
I heard that Israel was simply firing at Hamas and some UN building got in the way.  The way you guys spin things... you should be ashamed!

Edit: /sarcasm




You heard right.  Gunmen were firing from UNRWA building.  UNRWA workers have quite an extensive history of being terrorists:
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UNRWA institutions have not just produced terrorist ideologues. They have also produced terrorist masterminds. According to Dore Gold, former Israeli ambassador to the United Nations, UNWRA has produced graduates like Ibrahim Maqadama, who "helped create the military structure of Hamas." Gold notes that, "at least 46 terrorist operatives were students in the UNRWA schools."

There have also been widespread reports of terrorism from UNRWA-supervised facilities, including sniper attacks from UNRWA-run schools, bomb and arms factories in UNRWA camps, the transport of terrorists to their target zones in UNRWA ambulances, and even UNRWA employees directly tied to terrorist attacks against civilians.

Nidal Abd al-Fattah Abdallah Nazzal, an ambulance driver for UNRWA from Kalqiliya in the West Bank, was arrested by Israeli security services in August 2002. Nidal admitted that he was a Hamas activist and that he had transported weapons and explosives to terrorists in his ambulance, taking advantage of the freedom of movement afforded to UNRWA vehicles by the Israelis.

Nahd Rashid Ahmad Atallah, a senior official of UNRWA in the Gaza Strip, was also arrested by Israeli security in August 2002. In his capacity as an UNRWA official, he provided support to families of wanted Fatah and PFLP terrorists. He used his UNRWA car to transport armed members of the "Popular Resistance Committees," a militant faction of the Fatah movement, to carry out attacks against Israeli troops at the Karni Crossing.

UNRWA also appears to be in the business of cultivating new terrorists. The New York Times exposed in 2000 that UNRWA allowed terrorist groups to use their schools as "summer camps" so that 25,000 Palestinian children could receive paramilitary training, including instructions on how to prepare Molotov cocktails and roadside bombs.

UNRWA does not appear eager to prevent this kind of activity. When the U.S. government's General Accounting Office (GAO) asked UNRWA whether it screens beneficiaries for ties with terrorists, UNRWA claimed that it couldn't because such a screening would endanger its staff. Similarly, when the houses of six Palestinian families on UNRWA's registry were destroyed during bomb-making activities, UNRWA concluded there was not enough evidence to deny them benefits under the terrorist exclusion law.



http://www.jewishpolicycenter.org/article/53

Not just UNRWA buildings either
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1231950855726&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
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Palestinian reports said that the IDF hit a multi-story media building that houses several media outlets, including Reuters, Al Arabiya and the BBC. Witnesses said that a Qatari journalist was wounded and that the building was evacuated.

Defense officials said Hamas operatives had barricaded themselves inside the press office in Gaza, and were using people there as human shields. There were 23 people inside, said the officials.



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Palestinians reported that an IDF tank shell also struck one of the wings of the Gaza Al-Quds Hospital midday Thursday. Witnesses said part of the structure was on fire. The army said that the building was being used by Hamas men who were firing on IDF troops.



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IDF troops also opened fire at two UN vehicles in the Strip on Thursday. One of the cars had no markings identifying it as belonging to the organization. The other was marked as a UN car, but gunshots were fired from it at IDF troops, who returned fire.




Also from that same link a direct rebuttal to the Original Poster's contention that Israel is denying aid
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Earlier, the IDF observed a daily "humanitarian corridor" between 11 a.m. and 3 p.m., to allow for the transfer of humanitarian aid into the Strip, and for Gazans to stock up on necessary supplies.

In a statement released Thursday morning, Defense Ministry spokesman Peter Lerner said that a total of 1,136 trucks of humanitarian supplies have been transferred to Gazans since the beginning of the IDF operation in the Strip, as well as fuel trucks and medical personnel.....

In previous days, Hamas attacks on the South have continued during these pauses in operations.





Here's a video of Hamas firing rockets, from a schoolyard, during the humanitarian ceasefire that only Israel observes.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/32425_Video-_Hamas_Rockets_Fired_from_Schoolyard_During_Humanitarian_Cease_Fire

And here's a little more about aid:
http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3651783,00.html
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A number of reports from the Strip paint a picture of very difficult humanitarian conditions, not least because of Hamas itself. The suspicion is that the group's operatives have seized control of any supplies passing through the crossings – including those sent by Israel and international organizations.

Reports say Hamas takes a cut out of all aid that arrives, including flour and medicine. Supplies intended to be distributed without gain among the population is seized by the group and sold to the residents, at a profit to the Hamas government.

One such incident was recorded Monday, when a convoy of trucks carrying supplies through the Kerem Shalom crossing was opened fire upon and seized by Hamas gunmen. Similar incidents occurred with trucks carrying fuel.




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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9614494 - 01/15/09 12:50 PM (15 years, 15 days ago)

Your first two links are to jewish sites,(hardly credible seeing as how this concers Israel.. Definitley controled media. The second two were passive news articles.. Are you really convinced that Israel has done no wrong??


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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: Seuss]
    #9614582 - 01/15/09 01:05 PM (15 years, 15 days ago)

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I heard that Israel was simply firing at Hamas and some UN building got in the way.  The way you guys spin things... you should be ashamed!




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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9614639 - 01/15/09 01:15 PM (15 years, 15 days ago)

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Gunmen were firing from UNRWA building.  UNRWA workers have quite an extensive history of being terrorists:




like all the schools they've been shelling because the hamas rocket attacks were coming from the schools

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1054009.html



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Not just UNRWA buildings either
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Palestinian reports said that the IDF hit a multi-story media building that houses several media outlets, including Reuters, Al Arabiya and the BBC. Witnesses said that a Qatari journalist was wounded and that the building was evacuated.







well, gotta hit the media because you cant have the truth
getting out, that would make israel look bad, "oh hamas is at
the schools... oh, hamas is in the press room... oh, hamas runs
the hospitals... oh, hamas is your grandmother"


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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9615749 - 01/15/09 04:39 PM (15 years, 15 days ago)

Not my grandmother but I think maybe yours, Arab.
Hamas has a long history of this.  Believe it or not, I don't give a fuck.  As I have said on numerous occasions, I don't post to convince the hard-core loons.  I post to protect the little children who might be susceptible to the propagandists of Islamofascism.  Because I'm a teacher and I care.


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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9616730 - 01/15/09 06:50 PM (15 years, 15 days ago)

> well, gotta hit the media because you cant have the truth getting out, that would make israel look bad

Or you hide behind the media/UN/civilians when you attack so that when Israel responds you get a lot of sympathy from the rest of the world when the mean jews kill a reporter/burn down a UN building/maim a civilian... and when your own arms that you were hiding in the school/hospital/mosque blow up from the Israeli strikes, you blame Israel, claiming that they used disproportional force and that they are solely responsible for what has happened.


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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: Seuss]
    #9616893 - 01/15/09 07:18 PM (15 years, 15 days ago)

I don't think you meant for me to be the respondee.  That was a quote from the Arab.


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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9617192 - 01/15/09 07:54 PM (15 years, 15 days ago)

Could you please give a non-Jewish answer to the request for a definition of Islamofascism?  Thanks.


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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9617392 - 01/15/09 08:22 PM (15 years, 15 days ago)

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Arab




I assume you know this, but "Arab" has nothing to do with being pro-Hamas or pro-Israeli, since many of each are Arab.


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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9619933 - 01/16/09 09:05 AM (15 years, 14 days ago)

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Hamas has a long history of this.




israel has a 6000 year history of this, destroy the enemies of
god, it's in those holy books the fundies/zionists hold sacred

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I post to protect the little children who might be susceptible to the propagandists of Islamofascism.  Because I'm a teacher and I care.





Ah yes... to protect the children, yes the jews protect the
children by slaughtering them and playing old footage of a hamas
rocket attack so that we can justify the actions of the jews,
with the live streams all over the net, seeing apartment
buildings getting shelled and no smoke trails from rockets it
certainly suggest self defense isnt the motive, will you be
getting one of those spiffy uniforms too hier Göring?

how long before gaza looks like this?



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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9619953 - 01/16/09 09:08 AM (15 years, 14 days ago)

I say Israel is to blame on this one..


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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: flip3084]
    #9620108 - 01/16/09 09:42 AM (15 years, 14 days ago)

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I say Israel is to blame on this one..




Just wondering what leads you to boil down "this one" to just that one, simple sentence. Flesh it out a bit, please... The situation is so far from black and white, it's hardly constructive to boil it all down to "blame."


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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #9620144 - 01/16/09 09:48 AM (15 years, 14 days ago)

Well I posted my reasoning for not finding credability in the original sources given on this thread. They were from jewish websites and papers. For a while now(about 4 years) I have been increasingly frustrated with the way Israel treats Palestine. Israel has one of the best military units on the planet, and they are fighiting palestinians who have no more than pipe bombs, sticks and rocks. America has had an extreme sympathy for Israel since WW2, and Israel has done little to show that the partnership is mutual. I am not anti semetic, but at this point, I would not be upset if Israel was brought to there knees.


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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: flip3084]
    #9620199 - 01/16/09 10:00 AM (15 years, 14 days ago)

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they are fighiting palestinians who have no more than pipe bombs, sticks and rocks.




Oh come on, do you really believe this?  Before the six-month ceasefire, Hamas' "homemade" Qassam rockets (homemade is a myth, you realize) could reach about 15 miles outside of the Gaza strip to Israeli settlements, if I'm remembering my #'s correctly. In the six months time of the ceasefire, once the rocket launches began again in late December, the range had increased by more than two-fold.  You're really kidding yourself if you believe this is a war being fought by peasants with rocks and sticks. The Egyptian border smuggling tunnels have to be shut down - these rockets are not homemade. They are Iran-funded, Iran-built, and Iran-smuggled to Hamas.

You're going to read this and think I'm hawkishly pro-Israel or something. I deplore death and destruction of any kind. But I've just been over to the Middle East for 10 days on a tour of Israel, and while I'm sure people on this forum, especially since I almost never posted in the PA&L forum before, will think I was brainwashed or something while I was over there, I've just gotten a wider perspective on a situation that is such a clusterfuck that it's impossible to take a "side," and I'm not on anyone's "side," I just have a clearer understanding of the difficult and awful decisions some people have to make to protect themselves. It's a shame that the Gaza Strip was taken control of by Hamas, that they executed so many Fatah members, and that an organization with such a radical ideology is the only organization providing infrastructure, education, healthcare to their people. I wish Israel would do more to reach out to help create that infrastructure instead of choking it, but as far as what's being done now, I'm sorry, it's necessary. Hamas is a disgusting organization.


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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #9620218 - 01/16/09 10:04 AM (15 years, 14 days ago)

I am not debating whether or not Hamas is disgusting, but they were voted in during the election we mad sure happened. I believe that the bombing of Un vehicles and compounds, was incredibly bold, and should be dealt with. It is definitley not as cut and dry as my previous reply made it seem.


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Re: Isreal strikes at UN headquaters in Gaza: Destroy tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9621359 - 01/16/09 01:50 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

> how long before gaza looks like this?

According to Iran, that never happened.


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