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Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant)
    #9612217 - 01/15/09 12:00 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

So tonight's episode saw the demise of the ariane "the Panther" although I thought she was genuinely a nice person, I did agree with the judges decision that a top chef should know how to debone a leg of lamb properly (it's one of the first things you do in butchery class) as well as tie it neatly and evenly (this leaves me skeptical as to the process in which Bravo picks its candidates to be in each season, and yes I know it boils down to good tv, personally I would have gotten rid of one of her other team mates the "enablers" because let's face it Ariane's days were numbered anyway) It was ironic that the viewers thought that her team "honored the protein" the best yet was the losing team. Shows the kind of taste most people that watch top chef have.

Overall, I don't see anyone in the current roster that really stands out skill level wise (unlike the previous seasons), but I think it will boil down to Don Johnson (the blond dude) and the two Europeans, and if the black chick makes another "pie" I'm going to shoot myself- OK you can make a great pastry crust, we get it, and what's with the new judge Toby constantly using these lame anecdotes to describe the food? Just please tell us what you liked and disliked, why, and move on. I don't need a goddamn limerick each time you feel like playing the "Simon Cowell" of top chef.

I still don't understand what Padma is doing there? Do you have a restaurant? NO. Have you ever? NO. Have you actually cooked anything in the past five years? NO. You did one friggin season of "Melting Pot" on FoodTV and all of a sudden you can consider yourself a judge of all things culinary? Shows just how far good looks gets you in life. Maybe I should get plastic surgery?

and do you really need to be told that roasting meat with fat and bone-in will taste better than deboned and defatted meat? Top Chef? Hello?- Why didn't anyone think of using the lesser parts of all the animals (lamb/Pig brains and tongue,trotters, cheeks, chicken oysters, cocks combs and liver?) I mean if you really want to "honor" the protein you would find a way to utilize every part of the animal and highlight the different tastes and techniques you've used to cook it.

I noticed no one thought to use the Paco Jet that was in Dan Barber's kitchen, freshly churned ice cream ala minute anyone? apparently it was 85F outside when they taped that episode and I'm sure they have terrific dairy, eggs and obviously fruit at Stone Barns, a wasted opportunity or maybe they thought it was a bar blender? Call me racist but I still think Hung is the best Top Chef to date, his skill, experience and speed have set the bar of talent and expertise pretty high.

It's funny how the Italian didn't want to do anything complicated like "Indian" or "Italian" but went ahead and made ravioli, being an Italian testosterone laden alpha male I'm surprised he didn't put his cock on a bun and served it to every attractive lady at the picnic. He's the male version of Padma. Spherical olives have already been done to death, especially in NYC so no, it won't get you that much attention if that's the only ace up your sleeve (isn't that right Marcel?)

I predict the Indian girl will get the boot next episode, doesn't seem much of a leader or a good cook. Sorry if the following seemed a little scatterbrained, I'm a little high.


Now time for "IYAN SHEEEEEEEEV!!!" (the real version)

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Re: Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant) [Re: soochi]
    #9612257 - 01/15/09 12:10 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

yeah, fuck indian food...


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Re: Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant) [Re: soochi]
    #9616116 - 01/15/09 05:28 PM (15 years, 15 days ago)

NOOOOOOOOOO why did i open this thread



i just started watching the episode and the first line killed me.....


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Re: Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant) [Re: soochi]
    #9616658 - 01/15/09 06:39 PM (15 years, 15 days ago)

Toby Young is fucking annoying as hell.




I think if there's one chef who really stands out it's Stefan.  He's been the most consistent competitor to date.  Jeff is pretty talented but he does over complicate alot of his dishes.


I actually like Fabio.  But that's just because i'm an Italian food whore.  And the things he says are pretty funny.  "Martha, my grandma would be so ashamed of you"...



ANd yes, Padma will always be Padma.  I liked the last episode because her opinion and input wasn't even used in any of the clips. 


I remember when Padma tried to suggest scallops being out of season, Martha Stewart schooled her ass by saying "yes we go scallop fishing in January".


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Re: Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant) [Re: soochi]
    #9618311 - 01/15/09 11:19 PM (15 years, 15 days ago)

also, i think you meant TOP Chef, not Iron Chef. :smirk:




SHit man, if Hiroyuki Sakai was on Top Chef, he would rape the competition, but nobody would understand what he was saying.


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Re: Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant) [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #9619339 - 01/16/09 05:00 AM (15 years, 15 days ago)

> also, i think you meant TOP Chef, not Iron Chef. :smirk:

Yep.  I was about to type the same thing.

> Why didn't anyone think of using the lesser parts of all the animals

They weren't given the option.  When they walked into the kitchen, the protein they had to work with had already been selected for them.

I was surprised there was no fresh/raw milk on the farm.  Something like fresh mozzarella cheese would have been clever.

> I predict the Indian girl will get the boot next episode

I think she was pretty close to going on this episode.  If not her, then Carla.

Both Leah and Hosea are safe for a bit 'cause they have the fling going on... good ratings.

Both Jamie and Stefan are safe for a bit for the same reason.

I think the producers like Fabio, or his accent, so he is probably safe for a bit.

Next to go... Carla, Radhika, and Mike.

It seems like the producers are gunning for Mike, but he keeps producing the best of the worst dishes, thus they can't axe him.

> I think if there's one chef who really stands out it's Stefan.

I would agree.

Overall, I am not very impressed with the "talent" this season.


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Re: Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant) [Re: Seuss]
    #9620281 - 01/16/09 10:16 AM (15 years, 15 days ago)

yes, sorry, Top chef, but afterwards I did watch Iron chef on FLN.

> Why didn't anyone think of using the lesser parts of all the animals

They weren't given the option.  When they walked into the kitchen, the protein they had to work with had already been selected for them.


-I meant using the lesser parts of the animals they were given. The lamb was whole, head and all, and I'm sure if someone brought it up they would have given them the pig and chicken heads/parts. I just don't think none of them realized that the freshness of the ingredients was really all they needed, the lamb was hopelessly butchered both physically and as a dish, Coliccio keeps bringing it up but it is true-few of these competitors are confident in their skills/dishes and in this episodes case, ingredient as well, which is a shame and a disgrace especially to the farmers that spend their lives rearing spectaular ingredients. The chicken team had spectacular eggs, this was the time for the blond chick to do her salad and show off the freshness of the eggs (or at least a frittata) hot consomme in 85F weather?? c'mon? I would have used the consomme to make a jellied terrine.


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Re: Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant) [Re: Seuss]
    #9626007 - 01/17/09 11:59 AM (15 years, 14 days ago)

who the hell is mike?


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Re: Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant) [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #9628054 - 01/17/09 07:15 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

> who the hell is mike?

Slip of the keyboard... Jeff... (Donno where mike came from...)

> I meant using the lesser parts of the animals they were given. The lamb was whole, head and all

I just went back and rewatched and you are correct.  It looked like one was whole and one was just a part.  I had missed the whole one.  The pork appeared the same as well.


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Re: Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant) [Re: soochi]
    #9655834 - 01/21/09 10:53 PM (15 years, 9 days ago)

New Episode spoiler.












Did I call this one or what?? Radika gets the boot. Bottom line is weak people don't make good chefs even if you can cook, because it's more than cooking once you attain the moniker of "chef" something that doesn't dawn on people when they first get into this business. (and a monkier that most people don't deserve).

Anywho, FYI ginger has an enzyme that prevents the protein in gelatin from setting (acutually it breaks it down, much like papain is used in meat tenderizers, and intrestingly enough can be used to "clean" you out if a drug test is in your horizon) so it was a good move on Stephanes part to add more gelatin, of course it could have saved him considerable time if he knew this from the beginning.

I think the biggest mistake the two chef owners made was picking their team based on emotion. My team would have been fabio and stephane, with fabio front of house and jeff in the back cooking since he doesn't seem to have that much of an issue cooking with Stephane. Fabio was the perfect choice for front of house because you know that guy was going to be packin' a nice Armani suit, bring on the charm and have a nice eye for interior decorating.

Coliccio brought up a good point in Karla's desserts that she should have just rolled with the punches and changed it to a cold yogurt soup with fruit, as Tom said it's the expectation of "frozen yogurt" that let them down when served almost melted (and without silverware) much like the blond chick's disasterous results with her raw duck egg for the TV demo, in that case Tom told her "you should have just flipped it." Too many times you see competitors stick to only what they know or want to do most of the time; that they're not thinking two steps ahead in case of a fuck up.

And what was with that tomato water? soggy fish doesn't look or sound appealing and no matter how well trained a waiter is, trying to carry four plates of water brimmed food isn't easy for anyone. Why not thicken it with starch (or xanthan, but I doubt anyone brought any, where's Marcel?? :smile:) or mount it with a sundried tomato butter to give some semblence of body, or maybe reduce it and run it through a coffee filter, this would have concentrated the tomato flavor and gave it more body. Tomato water initself should have been the amuse bouche, maybe with a mini grilled cheese (oops, that's French Laundry my friends...) or clear gazpacho??

I don't know, anyway, discuss...



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Re: Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant) [Re: soochi]
    #9655848 - 01/21/09 10:55 PM (15 years, 9 days ago)

hahaha thanks for the spoiler alert



i think it's funny how Joseah and Leah are having this love thing going on, but fail to realize their respective lovers will be watching the show.


what the hell were they thinking...


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Re: Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant) [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #9655917 - 01/21/09 11:05 PM (15 years, 9 days ago)

Yeah, a pointless tangent. Unless they're fuckin' don't even bring it up. If your going to do shit for TV make it juicy, figurative and literally:grin:

They're not brain dead, you have TV cameras all over that apartment and I'm sure some waiver signage is part and parcel of being on the show.


Karla's next on my boot list. Funny how the teaser for the next episode apparently shows Fabio telling Scott Conant off about acidic pairings with cheese (that'll be a riot)


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Re: Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant) [Re: soochi]
    #9663765 - 01/23/09 07:30 AM (15 years, 8 days ago)

here's a thought,


you should tryout for the show.



i mean yeah you're busy with alot of things, obviously, but that's just the type of person they want on the show.




Shit, if I watch a season with some philipino dude busting out crazy desert dishes, i know who i'll be watching. :wink:


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Re: Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant) [Re: soochi]
    #9664998 - 01/23/09 12:27 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

now that i saw the episode on youtube and read your rant...



Have you noticed that in almost every season, whenever people not named "Hung" decide to make asian dishes, they completely fuck it up?



This is the one thing that still botheres me tremendously is the lack of familiarity with asian cuisine.

Likewho the FUCK eats sashimi with eggrolls?  That was just plain absurd.  P.F. Chang worthy.



Nice call on Radhika.  I did not see that one coming.  At first I thought Leah would go, then I thought Carla would go.



Carla was lashing out and showing her true bitchier side when the judges were prickking at her, that was notable.




I'm riding this Stefan boat all the way to the finals.  Ever since the first episode when he completely outcooked the competition on the elimination challenge.


THat guy is just plain clutch.  He has now won more elimination challenges than anyone else on the show.  I loved how he finished his desert dishes with those lollipops.  There's so much detail and intricacy with his dishes, and a nice creative mixture of ingredients and components.  I also enjoyed his sense of ethnicity, bringing the german and Scandinavian dishes on occasion.


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Re: Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant) [Re: soochi]
    #9700773 - 01/29/09 04:05 PM (15 years, 1 day ago)

this past episode was pretty weak.



somehow they're trying to emphasize the regionality of American cuisines.



New York Regionality?  Give me a break.  If they really wanted to capture the essence of New York regionality, the ingrediants would have included crusted hobo urine from the subway and Hudson River water.




They had Camille on the show though.  She is by far the hottest girl to ever be on Top Chef.  Gawd i'd love to impregnate her....


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Re: Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant) [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #9703352 - 01/29/09 11:28 PM (15 years, 1 day ago)

Yeah, I think Stephan is going to win. James was bound to be kicked out; I mean, how many savory sorbets was he going to do? His food never really looked "composed" both conceptually and visually- Probably the stupidest way to get kicked out of Top Chef! Again, no show of tact or a willingness to adapt their style or philosophy to the challenge. I guess he'll go back to working at the Dildo Beach Club.

Please.


Please.


Don't start with the Asian food. I'm still perpelxed to people that think ass-burning hot food is actually palatable? You taste nothing but a transgeminal response to pain.

Yes, apparently having bok choy and rice noodles is considered "Chinese" (couldn't they have picked a little better of a CIA student? I mean really; I knew plenty of people that went there that were actually talented, so they go off and pick the gayest, greenest, most lackluster cook of the school??) What people don't understand is that most truly authentic Asian food isn't really favored by most western palates and/or visual tastes. So what most people are exposed to is watered-down mainstream crap. Other than Vegas, your just not going to find a decent Asian restaurant or ethnic community far from the shores, Asian food relies heavily on seafood, fresh vegetables and herbs and the barren wheat fields of nebraska just isn't the place where your likely to run into decent Asian food of any origin (and let's not get into Japanese, which to me is a seperate subject altogether). One piece of advice: If an ethnic restaurant is chock full of those very same ethnic people, it's probably good.


Yeah, NYC regionality?? That's a given, you could've done anything so long as it was good.



By the way "Cioppino" is pronounced "Cho-pee-no" not "cheeo-peeno" just like "Giovanni" is "Joe-vani" not "Geeyo-vani" the latter pronounciations are the bastardized American versions.




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Re: Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant) [Re: soochi]
    #9824128 - 02/19/09 01:09 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I live in LA county and have been to Fabio's restaurant.  The food there is good, though honestly not amazing.  The man knows his way around pasta, he has great appetizers, cooks his stuff well but overall it's solid italian food but nothing Id go out of my way for.  He has a pork chop there that was cooked really well but the flavoring was bland, sort of a blackened spice rub on the outside that just tasted somewhat burnt with no good spice flavor coming through.  Ill have to make the drive back there at some point to try out some other things, the man makes great martinis though.


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Re: Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant) [Re: soochi]
    #9824615 - 02/19/09 03:50 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

> I'm still perpelxed to people that think ass-burning hot food is actually palatable? You taste nothing but a transgeminal response to pain.

That is difference between good asian food and the rest. (disclaimer, not all asian food is hot) It is hard to make a good dish that is both hot and has flavors to taste.

> One piece of advice: If an ethnic restaurant is chock full of those very same ethnic people, it's probably good.

Agree completely.  I love to find a "hole in the wall" that serves authentic food that most people would be afraid to enter.  I don't mean a dirty place, but an out of the way place that serves authentic food to the locals rather than the tourists.


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Re: Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant) [Re: Chespirito]
    #9827250 - 02/19/09 03:45 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Italians do have a penchant for overly sweet desserts and drinks. You'd also be surprised to find that most Italians can't actually cook and their view of "rusticity" is often mistaken for a lazy approach to cooking in general. I think fabio should have taken a more Sicilian style approach to his cooking on the last episode; and why does Stephane think he knows more about indiginous American food than josiah and james? especially james? to say a french chef would spice a fish the same as a creole or cajun chef is just idiotic, it's also funny how he was dissing on Josiah's gumbo, when in fact he made the most authentic of the group? Personally I think James should have won, and stephane and fabio should have went home. I give props to Carla for hanging in there and upping her game as the challenges got closer to the final four (five), she's a native of my area so at this point (with james eliminated) I'm gunning for her to win.


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Re: Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant) [Re: soochi]
    #9829647 - 02/19/09 09:17 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

for the last time


his name is Jeff.



and yes, it was surprising that they let Stefan stay.  That challenge in general was pretty lame, i think.


WHenever the challenge is for the chefs to took in a very controlled scope, it just kind of takes away from the true competition of assessing the chef's own personal creativity.


Maybe i'm just bitter cuz Fabio was my favorite contestant.  But I'm still perplexed on how Hosea made it this far.


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Re: Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant) [Re: Seuss]
    #9829728 - 02/19/09 09:26 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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> I'm still perpelxed to people that think ass-burning hot food is actually palatable? You taste nothing but a transgeminal response to pain.

That is difference between good asian food and the rest. (disclaimer, not all asian food is hot) It is hard to make a good dish that is both hot and has flavors to taste.

> One piece of advice: If an ethnic restaurant is chock full of those very same ethnic people, it's probably good.

Agree completely.  I love to find a "hole in the wall" that serves authentic food that most people would be afraid to enter.  I don't mean a dirty place, but an out of the way place that serves authentic food to the locals rather than the tourists.










Your comments made me think of this special Szechuan restaurant I go to whenever i'm back home.

The place is a complete "hole in the wall" that most ppl would basically drive by and be too scared to even try.  The restaurant is filled with chinese patrons, and the occasional brave caucasian souls.


All they serve is szechuan, which is a neat little find, and something you wouldn't find unless you lived nearby a very large CHinese community.


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Re: Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant) [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #9831159 - 02/20/09 01:12 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I ate some homemade tonight.  I made it spicy, spicy hot.  My latest kick is Wasabi Cashews.  They are awesome.


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Re: Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant) [Re: soochi]
    #9831337 - 02/20/09 01:49 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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It's funny how the Italian didn't want to do anything complicated like "Indian" or "Italian" but went ahead and made ravioli, being an Italian testosterone laden alpha male I'm surprised he didn't put his cock on a bun and served it to every attractive lady at the picnic.




:rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2:

What?  You don't like greezy, Eyetalian machismo?



I ate at Mario Batali's "Otto," his pizzeria this summer.  It sucked ass.




Evidently his idea of haute cuisine.  :rolleyes:

The dough tasted like slightly burned Kosher crackers.  The sauce was some kind of tomato-lite bullshit with zero flavor and the mozzarella cheese was thin and runny like snot.

The "service" was worse.

I arrived at opening with the waiters all doing their "taste test" for the day.  It took 20 minutes for the rudest waiter of my life to show up and abuse me.  Twenty more minutes before that bland, tasteless wafer to show up at my table.

I ended up talking to Kim, the vice-director of operations (or whatever her title was) and she apologized profusely for the meal and service.  I felt that was only to stop me from telling the truth about Batali's substandard piece of shit pseudopizzeria.

I like Mario enough on TV and think he's great.  His pizzeria lives off his TV reputation.

Don't go there.  It sucks.


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Re: Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant) [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9834432 - 02/20/09 04:11 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Honestly pizza done like its done in Italy is usually trash.  The best pizza without a doubt comes from the US (Chicago in my opinion).  I lived in Rome for a little while, never had pizza Id consider worth going back for.


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Re: Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant) [Re: Chespirito]
    #9834594 - 02/20/09 04:49 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I've heard that. If Mario's is anything like it I understand why they say that.

I'd rate Chicago pizza 5 stars, some deep dish is to die for (had some for the first time in '76), but some of New York's pizzerias are kick ass too.  Manhattan pizza has gone downhill in general I think.  In the early 80's it was awesome, hard to find a bad one.  This century it's hard to find a good one.


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Re: Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant) [Re: Chespirito]
    #9834680 - 02/20/09 05:06 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

> The best pizza without a doubt comes from the US (Chicago in my opinion).

I used to get Pizzeria Uno pizza from Chicago delivered Fed Ex.  Came packed in dry ice ready to pop in the oven.  It takes too long to get through customs down, so I can't get it anymore.


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Re: Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant) [Re: Seuss]
    #9834833 - 02/20/09 05:36 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

ha that's wild, good place though.  They have a bunch of locations now, though not in the Caribbean.  As for good pizza in NYC, Manhattan still has a bunch of good places.  The Bronx has some excellent places as does Brooklyn.  Though I'm not too big a fan of the 'classic' Brooklyn place under the bridge


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    #9838614 - 02/21/09 12:45 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Like anything else (even in Europe, you need to know where to go.) Nothing. Absolutely Nothing will surpass Pizzeria Cranciatelli in Naples. Chicago Pizza to me is just too much, too much of everthing and totally epitomizes the American approach to cooking. True artisinal pizza to me is all about the ingredients and their quality and freshness. In the U.S. I still go to Lombardi's everytime I'm in town (that and Peter Lugar's) two places that serve things uniquely NYC.


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Re: Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant) [Re: soochi]
    #9872980 - 02/26/09 09:34 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

So Hosea is the new "Top Chef" (in parenthesis for a reason) I really don't believe he's a better chef than Stefan; although to Hosea's credit, his excuse for not producing a dessert course was a valid one. (as is Toby Young's complaint of Hosea not having one) Stefan's dessert was completely old fashioned, lacked any type of vision and looked slopped together, why oh why didn't he just let Blais take care of that course? Too many "chefs" use the argument "I'm not a pastry chef or baker" as a crutch, it's complete non-sense, apprenticships in France usually start or end with some sort of pastry experience, as well as University level culinary courses here (@ JWU you take two pastry courses and one bread course for a Bachelors degree)

Why in the world did Carla listen to that dumb muppet Casey? She obviously did not feel comfortable sous viding anything and Casey didn't know what the hell she was doing, sous vide is an exacting procedure, not one to haphazardly try to accomplish. Poor Carla nailed her own coffin for sure; what a pity.

The technique employed by Stefan to make his fish carpaccio is the exact same method utilized by Michel Richard's kitchen in Citronelle, however the fish is lightly cured with salt to remove excess moisture avoiding the wateriness the judges alluded to. It didn't seem like either Stefan or Hosea acutally tasted their raw fish dishes (raw fish needs a bit more seasoning that most people are accustomed to, since the temperature and fatiness/protein factor play heavily on detecting flavors applied to raw fish) Halibut is seldom used to make carpaccio, it's quite bland, a good technique to serving raw fish is slightly brining it for a short amount of time (in a mild brine), then drying it off and proceding with garnishing. Or go the Morimoto route and press it between two sheets of Kombu and leave to cure for a couple of hours.

I think the amount of challenges you've won should play a factor on the final decision, at least when the decision is quite close as it was this season. Maybe they took pity on Hosea for "not having his own business" yet. Like 100g's would be enough? yeah right. Go buy a nice house instead, I here they're quite cheap nowadays :grin:

To Mr. Mushrooms: Bad service and independent Italian restaurants go hand in hand. Not to mention poor management and a laissez faire attitude about everything. The last Italian chef I worked for didn't know how to cost out food or the relevance of "Health Inspector" I respect Batali a great deal, but once you start expanding your brand all over then you risk diluting your standards; very few have done that and met success (Thomas Keller and Daniel Boulud come to mind; they were smart not to have too many restaurants outside their flagship hub and concentrated on quality and demographics not to far from what made them successful. The antithesis to this idea is of course, Wolfgang Puck, where his approach is "all things to all people" and selling 25 piece cookware sets for $199.95 on QVC)

Although most of Batali's restaurants are in NYC, the man can only cook so much since he deals mostly with PR people and network execs than actually cooking on a daily basis.

There is place here in DC called 2 Amy's and they have a D.O.C from the Italian government for their margarhita pizza, their pizza is superb. (DOC margarhita must be made a certain size, utilize buffalo mozz, "00" flour, san marzano tomatoes, be free of garlic and dried oregano or fresh basil only, and it must be made in a wood/coalfired oven.)


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Re: Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant) [Re: soochi]
    #9873236 - 02/26/09 10:16 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I don't really know a damn thing about fine dining (or cooking I guess would be the right word), and this is the first time I've followed a whole season, so take this with a grain of salt.

I think Stefan (and Fabio as well) got much too confident. He started going through the motions a bit. Every time towards the end of the season it would be "This dish was good but uninspired" or something to that effect. Maybe Stefan was too talented for his own good, or maybe he really isn't THAT great of a chef. He can make great food, but in a few years maybe he'll be making the same great food and Hosea (and some of the others) will be leaps and bounds ahead of him.

That probably applies more to Stefan since he's older and I feel like he received those comments a little more than most. Even in those interviews or whatever they're called he never seems to say something wasn't original. He may admit other flaws, but he doesn't seem to really get it sometimes.


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Re: Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant) [Re: soochi]
    #9874073 - 02/27/09 01:30 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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To Mr. Mushrooms: Bad service and independent Italian restaurants go hand in hand. Not to mention poor management and a laissez faire attitude about everything. The last Italian chef I worked for didn't know how to cost out food or the relevance of "Health Inspector" I respect Batali a great deal, but once you start expanding your brand all over then you risk diluting your standards; very few have done that and met success (Thomas Keller and Daniel Boulud come to mind; they were smart not to have too many restaurants outside their flagship hub and concentrated on quality and demographics not to far from what made them successful. The antithesis to this idea is of course, Wolfgang Puck, where his approach is "all things to all people" and selling 25 piece cookware sets for $199.95 on QVC)

Although most of Batali's restaurants are in NYC, the man can only cook so much since he deals mostly with PR people and network execs than actually cooking on a daily basis.

There is place here in DC called 2 Amy's and they have a D.O.C from the Italian government for their margarhita pizza, their pizza is superb. (DOC margarhita must be made a certain size, utilize buffalo mozz, "00" flour, san marzano tomatoes, be free of garlic and dried oregano or fresh basil only, and it must be made in a wood/coalfired oven.)




If I'm ever in town I'll have to try it.  And, of course, you're spot on about everything else.  I have heard the same criticism about Bobby Flay's Mesa Grill.  So instead of having a disappointment with Bobby, who I really like, I opted for Mario's.  After all, who could screw up a pizza?  I suppose that's why it's such a shocker.  I think too many people/restaurants aim for some signature style that sets them apart.  I don't mind as long as it's good.  Anyone can cook weird food.

I also remember John's, a pizzeria downtown where Woody Allen used to eat Kosher pizza of all things.  All kinds of toppings save one, pepperoni.  It was so-so.  DOC margarhita sounds like this little hole in the wall in my county.  The family came from Italy in the early 1900's.  All ingredients are closely monitored for the slightest deviation, even within the same seller.  Their pizza is top notch and they only sell two kinds, plain and pepperoni.  They make a mint.

I'll have to check out this tv show so we can talk about it.  I watch the Food Network everyday.

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Re: Iron Chef : Season 5 (Rant) [Re: jewunit]
    #9947262 - 03/10/09 05:47 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Your spot on about Stefan. He'll be doing the same old stodge twenty years from now while younger chefs like Hosea will hopefully keep abreast the current trends in cuisine. To Fabbio's credit he did delve a little bit into "molecular gastronomy" (I loathe that term btw.) with his olive dish, but that idea's been beaten to death like a dead horse (El Bulli took it off their menu after two seasons) But at least he was aware and open-minded enough to understand the technique and it's reasoning. Stefan just struck me as very old school euro chef,very derivative and outdated (like a lot of the Michelin starred German chefs of the 80's), his cooking wasn't refined enough given his age and "supposed" experience even in the last challege where they had plenty of time to execute things properly and methodically. In the end I felt that this season's competitors weren't up to par in talent and creativity and giving it to Hosea was kind of like getting a "Razzie" for worst movie.


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