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    #965388 - 10/16/02 07:56 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

LOL. Yes, short outbursts. I have to leave for work shortly, but I'll throw a few things out.  Philosophy has not improved in recent times - it's been a downhill ride after Plotinus. Anything that is profound today, probably harkens back to Plato. I was a kid-scientist growing up in an expanding home lab: gas, running water, glassware, chemicals, first of anyone in town to own a He-Ne Laser and holography lab in 1970. I was much more Aristotelian, in the 'external' empirical scientific method mentality. After a few acid trips, I began to apprehend the Realm of Pure Ideas - Archetypes. I turned into a Platonist without calling myself that of course.

It may well be that Socrates was executed for turning the impressionable youth on to the Eleusinian Kykeon outside of its ritual use. This might explain much of the philosophy that Plato expounded. Of course, they may both have been spontaneously aware of the Light beyond the shadows of mere phenomenon.

Of the ordinary 'six' branches of philosophy, I suppose that I am most taken by Metaphysics. As an INTP by the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator, I am a dyed-in-the-wool space-shot. My astrological chart has a lot of 'air' in it but I'm told that 'fire' in Mercury contributes to a 'burning intellect.' It amazes me that I function on the Earth plane as well as I do. I mention these things because they describe fairly deterministic aspects of myself. That is, I seem to be constitutionally hard-wired to shape simple awareness through these kinds of channels. Fortunately, my Lady is also an INTP, otherwise, life among the Aeons would be far too lonely. You must visit one day - we'll take a trip through the Van Allen radiation belt :smile: 


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    #965500 - 10/16/02 10:51 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

We are so alike that it is chilling.  I actually got goosebumps when I read your post and that is a first for me on the Shroomery.

Me?  I'm stuck in Aristotle though I have spent some time ruminating about Plato's cave.  I guess that makes me a cave dweller. :wink:

I am an INTJ.  No shock I'm sure.

Our histories are remarkably parallel.

And yes, a visit is probably in order.  Thank you for the offer.  I am planning a little Continental trip for next year to meet some of the people I have grown to care about.  When that happens you can be sure you are on that list. :wink:

Cheers friend, 


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    #965745 - 10/16/02 01:44 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Philosophy has not improved in recent times - it's been a downhill ride after Plotinus.

Yeah... if I didn't understand Nietzsche, I would be inclined to say such things, too. :wink: 


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    #967424 - 10/16/02 11:28 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

You can always PM me for phone and address. We're 20 minutes from Miami and Ft. Lauderdale International airports  :smile:  INTJ's tend to be more 'Aristotelian' - math and computer science are often pursued. My Lady's ex-husband is an INTJ - very bright guy - just wrote a book on metaphysics.


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    #967442 - 10/16/02 11:38 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Well, it's not an entirely smooth ride downhill - there are some rises among the falls, and Nietzsche is one of the rises. I say this because there is good evidence to support this philosopher as being a real influence behind the depth psychologies of the late 19th century, and I've been through many years of experience with Jungian analysts - receiving analysis, applying for analytical training, (and being rejected for training - fortunately, as it turned out!), and writing a dissertation on depth psychology that utilized Nietzsche to a certain extent. But the bottom line for my highest entheogenic experiences takes a Platonic vector into the Christian Trinity/Unity.


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    #967451 - 10/16/02 11:42 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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    #967456 - 10/16/02 11:45 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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After a few acid trips, I began to apprehend the Realm of Pure Ideas - Archetypes. I turned into a Platonist without calling myself that of course.


  :shocked:

wow, i thought that archetypes were pure bullshit until i had this one shroom trip. i integrated them into my worldview by saying that archetypes don't exist in the real world, but that human brains are hardwired to think in terms of archetypes. copout? maybe...  :crazy: 


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    #967462 - 10/16/02 11:50 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

INTJ= introvert intuitional thinking judger :shocked:


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    #967500 - 10/17/02 12:10 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

A Platonist is gonna be an Idealist too. The brain derives from Universal, Archetypal Ideas, not the other way around. Plato, Socrates and Greek mentality in general recognized the notion of 'cosmos,' the All, as an ordering principle in itself. The Logos was the Divine Reason that so organized the geometry and motion of the heavenly bodies. Christian Platonic philosophers attribute something more to Logos than the early Greeks, and detract some of the meaning from the cosmos itself, viewing it as the creation of God, via the Logos. Nevertheless, Reality consists of Spirit over matter.

Mushrooms come out of "bullshit," not the reverse!  :smile:


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    #967527 - 10/17/02 12:24 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Ive read a a decent amount of books on eastern and middle-eastern philosphy, as well as a few on western philosphy. Ive also read various sections of textbooks on the subject.


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    #970160 - 10/17/02 07:51 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

There's something to what you've said. Even the Gospels developed into a kind of 'social gospel,' which caused me to change New Testament teachers when I was in seminary. I ended up going from some 'be-nice-to-one-another' teacher to a Hindu-turned-Christian, whose bookshelves were full of Marxist texts - another social gospel.  Suffice to say, I was dissapointed by the general social understanding. Even John Wesley, the founder of Methodism, was influenced by the mystical Christianity of Greek Orthodox theology (Patristics) yet it never came across in classes.

As to being multifaceted...you're probably way younger than a few of us - me included - and haven't racked up the amount of time some of us have with all these mental masturbations - howsoever intellectually stimulating they may be! :smile: 


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    #970393 - 10/17/02 09:20 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Terms?  Quick learning and experiencing precedes full understanding of the processes for me.  Usually, I am lead to shortcuts to find the answers before I uncover the full process that leads to them.

My philosphic mantra is:  I experience philosophy by practicing.  If I munch on it and the digestion does not assimilate well enough,  I'm flushing it out and down the toilet.  :laugh: Or if I figure I can't even come close to explaining the philosophy and help the anyone understand it, I won't waste my attention span on the subject.

My bases are, starting with the most experienced: graphology, brain entrainment,  kabbalah, divination

All interconnected to find a causal reality.

So Mr. Mod, what's the ah meal plan for today? :smile: 


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    #971786 - 10/18/02 09:15 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Toasted Cheese


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    #972383 - 10/18/02 03:43 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Why is this a shock?

Cheers,


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    #973320 - 10/18/02 10:34 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

the reason that I put that :shocked: has escaped my knowledge as well. 


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    #978090 - 10/20/02 10:51 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Hehe..  I wonder who italicized and bolded 'the' word.

My interests are just an angle on Plato via Aristotle [grapho],  Pythagoras [KB], and Mozart [entrain].  One time or another these gifted people met to exchange ideas and theories.  Except for Mozart.. :smile:  All I'm doing is applying the concurent , re-shaped theories, interchangeably.


A modern Socrates walker, I am, who walks the *dialectic*. I scuttle out of caves instead of staying in there for too long.  Get a breath of fresh air.. and check for my vital signs. :laugh: 


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