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#961058 - 10/14/02 08:59 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Now that I've got you in here I am interested in knowing who has a minimal understanding of philosophy and is familiar with philosophical terms.
Please don't be shy.
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#961091 - 10/14/02 09:10 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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How minimal is minimal?
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#961173 - 10/14/02 09:32 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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#961187 - 10/14/02 09:36 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes, pattern?
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#961189 - 10/14/02 09:37 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's not my fault... science killed philosophy off in my school. 
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#961202 - 10/14/02 09:40 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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I understand.
We'll make sure that never happens here.
We might even discuss a few philosophy books over at the literary forum.
You can read, can't you?
Cheers,
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#961214 - 10/14/02 09:44 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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By minimal I mean having read at least one book on philosophy even if it is from a contemporary author. Ayn Rand qualifies.
Or having taken at least an intro course in college.
Eventually I would like to discuss a few ideas and authors. As you noticed there is far too little philosophy discussed in here from a formal point of view. I would like to see that change. 
Cheers,
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#961218 - 10/14/02 09:45 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah I can read, just make sure it's nothing too boring... 
Nietzsche was interesting for awhile, but I yawned off during Zarathrusta (sp?)... maybe I should take a look at it again.
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#961219 - 10/14/02 09:45 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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then post some topics
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#961222 - 10/14/02 09:46 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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 I'll try to keep it to one liners just for you.
Cheers,
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First I want to get a better feel for the audience.
I always like to know who I'm playing to.
Cheers,
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#961240 - 10/14/02 09:51 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm well read,
have been through the university courses, read and wrote the papers, endlessly debating definitions of pointless epistemological jargon, fought with insane profs, appealed the biased religious marking, and caused general disruption by placing copies of anonymous rants about the department. 
but dont let that fool you into thinking i enjoy philosophy! 
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#961269 - 10/14/02 10:01 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wonderful!
With a room full of persons such as yourself we could REALLY party!
Perhaps sometime you might post a paper and let us look at it.
I have written various articles and have posted some of them here to see what kind of reaction they brought.
Currently I am writing a book on philosophy. I am doing the illustrations as well which are primarily stick figures. I chose the stick figure for several reasons; its stark portraiture conveys the harshness of reality and at the same time the nihilist tones the book is cast in, stick figures can set the imaginative reader's mind aflame (this works particularly well with a bottle of Everclear in one hand and my book in the other), they keep the overhead down, and I cannot draw for crap.
So far the book consists of a few sketches on a bar napkin and a selection of exquisite pronouns I have chosen to give the work high drama.
Maybe I'll post a few snippets when I get into the verbs.
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#961369 - 10/14/02 10:30 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've been reading Adlers 'Laymans' philosophy books, to get aquainted for the real stuff ,Kant, Aristotle, etc...His Dictionary has become indespensible, as well as his "How to Read" and "How to Speak " Books. Im actually learning something.
Ive also read the standard 'undergraduate level' philosophy books - And, of course, I have a soft spot in my heart for Plato, Plato.
So, can I play. I have a stick of gum, and a bag of cats eye's. I'll even participate.
I hope you wont be setting any fires, this gown is flammable. -OoD
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Great!
I like that in an Oracle.
I don't set fires. I just watch them.
Cheers,
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#961446 - 10/14/02 10:58 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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No formal background, but I'm not stupid so I can discuss. To me being able to discuss philosophical issues depends more on the kind of mind you're dealing with rather than amount of formal training. Doesn't getting deep into jargon just build communication barriers between those who understand the jargon and those who don't? Formal education doesn't necessarily correlate with intelligence or ability to think.
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#961493 - 10/14/02 11:07 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've read several books on Eastern Philosophy, as well as Ayn Rand, Bertrand Russell, John Stuart Mill (just the most prominent names that come to mind) and several others.
I'm not familiar with all the philosophical terms, but I know bullshit when I smell it.
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#961630 - 10/14/02 11:38 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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That kind of background can be perfect for certain discussions but it can be limiting if the discussion is about various authors. Sometimes, and even great thinkers are award of this, homework must be done.
For example, Sclorch and vaporbrains have a better handle on Nietzsche than I do. If I were to truly discuss some of his finer points with them I need to re-acquaint myself with his writings.
There is another distinction that needs mentioning. It is far better to read the author's works than to read someone else's opinion of them.
Cheers,
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#961646 - 10/14/02 11:41 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is good Evolving. If we get some idea of what authors people have read it might produce a direction for some good discussion.
For the terms I would suggest picking up a good philosophical dictionary. They are very good at summarizing various schools of thought.
Cheers,
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#961834 - 10/15/02 12:32 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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It is far better to read the author's works than to read someone else's opinion of them.
This is sooooo true. I actually didn't like Nietzsche at one point in time. That was probably because the people "helping" me understand him turned out to be pretty fucking ignorant and had a totally wrong perception of him.
As far as my background goes...
Several university courses (at one point I wanted it for a second major, but I eventually decided to go it on my own). Really like Plato's methodology (actually Socrates'... whatever). Sort of like Aristotle. Hate Kant. Respect Descartes only for his method of doubt. Respect Kierkegaard for being an individual. Really like Dostoevsky (okay, he's more literary... but Notes from Underground is badass). Love Nietzsche. Love William James. Like some of the existentialists (haven't read everything yet). Like Alan Watts' methodology (though I disagree with much of his conclusions). Dislike everything I've read of Ayn Rand (which I'll admit is not much). I'm pretty damn familiar with everyone in the field of AI and the Philosophy of Mind. I'm also pretty familiar with epistemology (I find it boring, so I'm not super well-read in it).
Religious stuff: like the Bible - mainly the New Testament though (of course, MY interpretation of it), Tao Te Ching is badass, me likes Zen Buddhism's thought patterns (not the metaphysics), and you gotta love Joseph Campbell (he's a bad mother).
I'm probably leaving stuff out, but I'm tired. *Yawn*
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