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Do you agree with Terence McKennas philosophy on institutions?
    #9607408 - 01/14/09 01:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think its RIGHT on the money, i don't agree with some of mckennas stuff but i think he couldn't be more right about institutions.  Donate 5 minutes and 44 seconds of your life to find out for yourself.


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Re: Do you agree with Terence McKennas philosophy on institutions? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9607480 - 01/14/09 01:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I love Terrence Mckenna and i agree with what he said in this video. I have listened to almost all of his lectures and his ideals and i must say he does wonders for my imagination.


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Re: Do you agree with Terence McKennas philosophy on institutions? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9607506 - 01/14/09 01:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I completely agree.

The institution is the conveyor of models and policy, and therefore is the controller of the citizenry. If we live in the world, and behave like we are supposed to, like good citizens, it appears that we are disempowering ourselves and denying the spirit.

Mckenna's discussions on culture and institution have been of the utmost importance for me, and i think they contain much insight, and much truth.


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Re: Do you agree with Terence McKennas philosophy on institutions? [Re: jvm]
    #9607573 - 01/14/09 02:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well, I don't disagree...

I enjoyed that, lots of good points. But I am not sure what there is to agree with. I mean these were his words, and his "cultural movement" after all: Down with isms (ism)? Or evangelizing the psychedelic experience?

Good stuff anyway :thumbup:.


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Re: Do you agree with Terence McKennas philosophy on institutions? [Re: daytripper23]
    #9607590 - 01/14/09 02:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well some people think that mckenna is a crazy nut and his ideas are wrong:shrug:  But any intelligent person that can think critically can see the insight.


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Re: Do you agree with Terence McKennas philosophy on institutions? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9607601 - 01/14/09 02:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

While I would tend to somewhat agree, his views, like everyone else's, are still part of the zeigeist, forever one step or two being what's really going on; in a highly chaotic system like the world, one never has enough data point to infer the future. Each one of us as an agent of movement and culture, we engender a dynamic which can't be grasp by any single one of them. Institutions, like everything else, have a lifetime and do not contain in themselves only the seed of their own destruction or prosperity.

The more we act to know then the more we do. The more we do then the more we engender a secondary movement which we can't immediately know about. Repeat. We can be scared or worried about the future, but that, in itself, doesn't serve our cause.

Life is such a great and interesting mess.


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Re: Do you agree with Terence McKennas philosophy on institutions? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9608439 - 01/14/09 03:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Does anyone know where I can find a few longer lectures by T.M of this kind of quality?


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Re: Do you agree with Terence McKennas philosophy on institutions? [Re: daytripper23]
    #9608488 - 01/14/09 04:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Does anyone know where I can find a few longer lectures by T.M of this kind of quality?




http://deoxy.org/mckenna.htm

Under the spoken word section there are literally tons of video.


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Re: Do you agree with Terence McKennas philosophy on institutions? [Re: daytripper23]
    #9608507 - 01/14/09 04:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The world and its double is a great lecture!  Here is part one and when it ends just click on part 2 until you have seen all 8 parts i think?  Its an awesome lecture:grin:



I would also run a search of google video if your interested in others!


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Re: Do you agree with Terence McKennas philosophy on institutions? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9608743 - 01/14/09 04:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

thanks and thanks

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Re: Do you agree with Terence McKennas philosophy on institutions? [Re: deimya]
    #9609234 - 01/14/09 05:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Life is such a great and interesting mess.


And you are the bespectacled bean curd at its center. :smile:


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Re: Do you agree with Terence McKennas philosophy on institutions? [Re: Lion]
    #9609278 - 01/14/09 06:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:lol: I tip my hat to you good sir :poshdance:


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Re: Do you agree with Terence McKennas philosophy on institutions? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9609615 - 01/14/09 07:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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But any intelligent person that can think critically can see the insight.





I wuz gonna disagree, but your pre-emptive strike precluded it. :rolleyes:

Swami did an in-depth thread on the 'any intelligent person' fallacy.


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Re: Do you agree with Terence McKennas philosophy on institutions? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9609632 - 01/14/09 07:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Did that thread also address the "when did you stop beating your wife" question?


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Re: Do you agree with Terence McKennas philosophy on institutions? [Re: Veritas]
    #9609643 - 01/14/09 07:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

No, I would love to start a thread on it, but the controversy just might be too extreme. :grin:


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Re: Do you agree with Terence McKennas philosophy on institutions? [Re: Veritas]
    #9609652 - 01/14/09 07:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

this may be off topic but what are you're guys favorite McKenna books?


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Re: Do you agree with Terence McKennas philosophy on institutions? [Re: FiddlerOnTheRoof]
    #9609681 - 01/14/09 07:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

'True Hallucinations' is a dope tale with no substance, but lots of fun.


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Re: Do you agree with Terence McKennas philosophy on institutions? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9610161 - 01/14/09 08:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

can anyone summarize the video
i don't relish watching TM or listening to sounds recorded from him


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Re: Do you agree with Terence McKennas philosophy on institutions? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #9610170 - 01/14/09 08:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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can anyone summarize the video
i don't relish watching TM or listening to sounds recorded from him




I mean just watch it, its not going to bite:shrug:


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Re: Do you agree with Terence McKennas philosophy on institutions? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9610241 - 01/14/09 08:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

this is probably the best mckenna clip ive heard, thanks cognitive.

I dont like it when he starts sensationalising, eg when he starts talking about child abuse, drug abuse.. those are the sensations that the media wants us to think about, and in this sense he has become a victim. but at the same time, he is also trying to be heard by an audience so it makes sense for him to take these paths of demonstration.

The world needs to wake up to this language issue.. it has been discussed by significant philosophers for  along time, the way that words influence our perception and conception of reality. however since the mass media is the force which people look toward for information (in general), the information needed to surpass the mass media will never get to such a 'mass'

Institutions are alive and made up of their members, who are compelled to sustain themselves and their organisation (like anything that is alive), and thus any institution based on descovering the truth is immediately flawed - this must be something each individual partakes in, for whenever truth or reason is outsourced to an institution, you are also outsourcing your interests and resultantly feed a system that slowly degrades your own goals (but never too quickly.. or else you would notice!)


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