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Mental problems, could shrooms be the cause?
    #9604367 - 01/13/09 09:50 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Hello all,

For the past few weeks, my mind has been a little off. I cant seem to focus on topics very well and feel a bit spacey, to the point where simply turning my head quickly leaves me confused for a second or two. I did go through a period of unusually high mushroom usage a while ago where I gave myself a moderate dose once every week for four or five weeks in a row, but these symptoms began about a month or two after the last trip. Furthermore, this feels nothing like any shroom aftereffects Ive had before, such as a feeling of being removed from reality or having residual, er...shroominess. I also have no existing mental disorders and none run in my family.

My question, then, is has this ever happened to any of you and do you think it might be some kind of odd delayed response to shrooming too many times, perhaps triggered by a little herbal smoking after abstaining for several months?

Thank you in advance and nice to meet you all. There are some interesting discussions on these forums...

Edited by Vij (01/13/09 09:52 PM)

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Re: Mental problems, could shrooms be the cause? [Re: Vij]
    #9604387 - 01/13/09 09:53 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Could be. Could not be. I'm sure the mushrooms didn't help. If the problems persist, see a doctor. If you choose to see a doctor, I would suggest not telling them about your drug use.


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Re: Mental problems, could shrooms be the cause? [Re: Vij]
    #9604388 - 01/13/09 09:54 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Have you taken any other drugs since you stopped shrooming, or during your trips?


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Re: Mental problems, could shrooms be the cause? [Re: deCypher]
    #9604401 - 01/13/09 09:56 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Oh yeah, if you smoke weed, stop for awhile.


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Re: Mental problems, could shrooms be the cause? [Re: LSDreamer]
    #9604872 - 01/13/09 11:08 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Doesn't happen to me and I trip every week. Maybe it's in your head.

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Re: Mental problems, could shrooms be the cause? [Re: Vij]
    #9604956 - 01/13/09 11:22 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I have a feeling that it is not mushrooms... but then again I'm not a doctor.  Have you started taking any prescription meds recently? Any other symptoms?

EDIT: Forgot to ask, have you had any injuries or concussions?

Edited by Ram Dass (01/13/09 11:24 PM)

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Re: Mental problems, could shrooms be the cause? [Re: cartman125]
    #9604969 - 01/13/09 11:23 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

It will pass, I sometimes get a little screwy after shrooming. I think it's normal.


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Re: Mental problems, could shrooms be the cause? [Re: Legalize]
    #9605173 - 01/14/09 12:00 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Could be. Could not be. I'm sure the mushrooms didn't help. If the problems persist, see a doctor. If you choose to see a doctor, I would suggest not telling them about your drug use.




Guess I'm a bit different, but I like to keep my doctor in the know about anything relevant. Man can't help you if he doesn't have the facts.


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Re: Mental problems, could shrooms be the cause? [Re: Drumfiend]
    #9605251 - 01/14/09 12:13 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

^Well, most doctors do not have a healthy view of drugs. The thing is, if your issues are not caused by the neurotoxicity of drugs, then the fact that your condition was brought on or worsened by drugs is not really necessary for an accurate diagnosis. For the majority of doctors, disclosing drug use would likely skew the diagnosis rather than making it more accurate.


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Re: Mental problems, could shrooms be the cause? [Re: LSDreamer]
    #9605374 - 01/14/09 12:36 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

No new prescription drugs, concussions, alien abductions, etc. I smoke weed occasionally and I smoked quite a bit at a time that coincides with my first symptoms, but I have never had anything like this ever happen to me from any amount of weed (and I smoked my fair share in the past) -- this is not from weed.

Legalize: But do you continue normally and then get screwy up to a month after shrooming? That's what I can't figure out...

LSDreamer and Drumfiend: Dreamer is right, telling your doctor tends to skew their diagnosis, but I would rather tell the doctor anyway because, to paraphrase Drumfield, I'd rather not be treated for one thing when drug use was the real cause. The true trick is to find a reliable doctor who hasn't been influenced by the propaganda floating around about the effects of various drugs, preferably one who has used a few in their time. Fortunately I have one like that, unfortunately I know that her education is too diffuse to allow her to accurately diagnose mild mental problems.

I know few of you may be doctors, but this seems to be the best place to go to rule out at least one possible cause. Your replies are certainly helping.

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Re: Mental problems, could shrooms be the cause? [Re: Vij]
    #9605466 - 01/14/09 12:52 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

^Yeah but, treatment usually doesn't treat the cause, it usually treats the symptoms. After an accurate diagnosis, if you really want, you can reveal your drug use, but IMHO, doing to before hand is likely to get you an inaccurate diagnosis.


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Re: Mental problems, could shrooms be the cause? [Re: Vij]
    #9605741 - 01/14/09 02:01 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I'm going to go out on a limb and tell you it's probably in your head. It seems like frequent use of psychedelics tends to predispose you to mild anxiety later on down the road, which I'd wager is all you've got. It doesn't really come around right away and it can manifest as feeling "out of it" in any number of ways.

Just take care of yourself and it'll get better. There's nothing to worry about unless you get seriously uncomfortable or begin have difficulty functioning in everyday life.


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Re: Mental problems, could shrooms be the cause? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #9605804 - 01/14/09 02:21 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Anyone here who is a doctor would be smart enough not to jeopardize their license engaging your question as a doctor.  Any doctor dumb enough to post here as a doctor and give you medical advice is not someone to listen to.  Yes, shrooms could be the cause.  You're asking the wrong questions. 

Turning your head and experiencing disorientation could be a physical problem.  You should tell your doctor, say you have used shrooms and weed in the past but do not use them regularly if she asks, and not rely on the advice of a message board filled with pro-drug bias and positive thinking ungrounded in reality for something as important as a potentially serious problem with your brain.

The real problem is if you have something physically wrong they could fix tomorrow, but not three months from now when it keeps getting worse.  Go see a real doctor soon.


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Re: Mental problems, could shrooms be the cause? [Re: SpencerGNobleman]
    #9606069 - 01/14/09 03:27 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Best advice yet. You're right, but I'm several hundred miles from my primary doctor, the one I trust. Because of my convoluted insurance plan, I can either go to one in this area that I've been to before -- a well-meaning but ineffective man who thinks the best treatment for any physical problem is Vicodin -- for a $10 copay (or have him refer me to an equally ineffective man for the same), or I can choose my own doctor but I'll have to pay out of pocket which, while not entirely prohibitive, is something I'm not willing to pay for while the symptoms are as mild as they are and not worsening.

I would like to think everything is in my head, like Tchan suggested (which is the only non-professional diagnosis I could receive here anyway), but my mental acuity has always been as straight and sharp as a chef's best knife so if my symptoms aren't a result of drug use, then I'd have to assume that something in my body has suddenly shifted. Tchan might have hit the nail on the head, though: I have been experiencing an inordinate amount of stress lately and I know that stress has affected me physically in the past, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that it might affect my mind this time around.

Thank you all for your help. Tchan is probably correct and I think I've extracted as much out of you as I can. We'll see if relaxing for a bit longer might ease my symptoms. If not, I'll be back near my physician again soon (and under a pleasant insurance umbrella to boot). Thank you again.

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Re: Mental problems, could shrooms be the cause? [Re: Vij]
    #9606091 - 01/14/09 03:34 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Try taking hikes, that's what I do when my brain isn't being friendly.

Spencer is right, though. Good decision to see a doctor soon.


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Re: Mental problems, could shrooms be the cause? [Re: Vij]
    #9606360 - 01/14/09 05:52 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Your fine you just need to lay off the drugs and then your brain will be functioning normally again after awhile. Don't go to a psychiatrist, psychiatrists are not real doctors and psychiatry is of no help to anybody. All people need to do to heal their minds is get proper foods, good sleep, and some time to meditate

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Re: Mental problems, could shrooms be the cause? [Re: lines]
    #9606644 - 01/14/09 08:16 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Stop smoking weed if you're concerned about it, frankly.  Eat healthy, get a good amount of sleep, and let your mind adjust to sobriety.  If the symptoms still persist a month after you've given up all drugs, then would be a good time to let your doctor know.


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Re: Mental problems, could shrooms be the cause? [Re: lines]
    #9606932 - 01/14/09 09:36 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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lines said:
Your fine you just need to lay off the drugs and then your brain will be functioning normally again after awhile. Don't go to a psychiatrist, psychiatrists are not real doctors and psychiatry is of no help to anybody. All people need to do to heal their minds is get proper foods, good sleep, and some time to meditate




Psychologists are the ones who are not real doctors and who primarily use psychotherapy for treatment.

Psychiatrists are the doctors and the ones who will probably give you some kind of pill to solve your problem.

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Re: Mental problems, could shrooms be the cause? [Re: lines]
    #9606955 - 01/14/09 09:42 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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lines said:
Your fine you just need to lay off the drugs and then your brain will be functioning normally again after awhile. Don't go to a psychiatrist, psychiatrists are not real doctors and psychiatry is of no help to anybody. All people need to do to heal their minds is get proper foods, good sleep, and some time to meditate




Such an ignorant statement. That is horribly offensive to people with legitimate problems that cannot be fixed that way. It's belittling their conditions and shifting the blame for their condition onto them. For shame.


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Re: Mental problems, could shrooms be the cause? [Re: lines]
    #9607031 - 01/14/09 10:04 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Don't go to a psychiatrist, psychiatrists are not real doctors and psychiatry is of no help to anybody.




I think you do study medicine to become a psychiatrist, am I wrong?

anyway Vij, weed can be the cause imo, I wouldn't touch it for a while anyway.

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Re: Mental problems, could shrooms be the cause? [Re: LSDreamer]
    #9607468 - 01/14/09 11:45 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

In my experience shrooms can be both the cause and the solution of mental problems. I think they are way more likely to fix mental problems than to cause them. But then again, everything could be the cause of mental problems... a broken heart, problems at work, getting bullied in school, bad childhood, bad parents, etc...

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