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Stop supplying Israel with weapons
    #9601123 - 01/13/09 12:21 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict has become a one-sided war of attrition.  The actions of both sides are morally reprehensible, but Palestine does not have the means to protect itself sufficiently against superior technology.  There is no effective argument for supplying Israel with weapons, while simply Palestinian aid goes towards subsistence and meager weapons.  If left alone, Israel would surely do fine, and the blood would be on their and their enemies' hands and not ours.

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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: Ferris]
    #9601147 - 01/13/09 12:25 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: Ferris]
    #9601303 - 01/13/09 12:53 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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There is no effective argument for supplying Israel with weapons




Yeah there is.  Money.  Greed from the arms suppliers.

Who is supply them BTW?  The west I expect.  To be honest I havn't been paying much attention.

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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: Ego Death]
    #9601347 - 01/13/09 01:01 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

NOO!! power to the nation of Israel and death to the infidels!!


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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: proud_republican]
    #9601360 - 01/13/09 01:03 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Don't you mean heathens?


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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: proud_republican]
    #9601369 - 01/13/09 01:04 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Dude...

Who Cares?!?!

Btw Isreal makes a lot of there own weapons.


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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: hpi]
    #9601383 - 01/13/09 01:06 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

.......and what weapons they do import from us are considered inferior .

They rework them far better than we do ,as a example we sold them f-16s and they made them outperform our f-16s by along shot.


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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: hpi]
    #9601392 - 01/13/09 01:08 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The USA annually sends $2.4 billion military aid to Israel, and $20 billion to other allies in the region. Thats a bunch of money!

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel-United_States_military_relations)


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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: Ferris]
    #9601394 - 01/13/09 01:08 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Don't you mean heathens?




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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: hpi]
    #9601489 - 01/13/09 01:26 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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hpi said:
Dude...

Who Cares?!?!

Btw Isreal makes a lot of there own weapons.




Which is precisely why we don't need to be sending them more w/ specs

Take their tanks for instance.  They make the shell, sure.  But almost all of the add-ons like the reactive armor are US technology.  Some of that is private, some public.


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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: Ferris]
    #9601736 - 01/13/09 02:14 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

It does not matter if you do, or not,
those 2 will fight till this world burst into flames.

Let them have their fun.

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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: rod]
    #9601749 - 01/13/09 02:16 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

When they are done us greedy bastards will come in and buy up any resources for a fraction of their value.

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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: Ego Death]
    #9601759 - 01/13/09 02:17 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Like Rod said, those 2 have faught and been enemies since the start and the war between the 2 will not end.


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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: hpi]
    #9601817 - 01/13/09 02:31 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

It will end if we let one of them wipe the other out.......but no ,we will step in and let both sides continue this for years to come.:rolleyes:


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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: Ego Death]
    #9601875 - 01/13/09 02:41 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

hey guts i thought i would pop in here.  The weapons suppled to Israel is intact about 90-95% the good old USA.


In fact we suppled them with an Anti rocket/missile defense system that could easily shoot down any incoming rocket from hezbollah,  so why doesn't Israel use this system to defend it self from the almost useless rockets shot at them by hezbollah

One word money and land, the state of Israel did not exist before world war two. why is it okay for Israel to destroy a sovereign nation??? because Israel and the USA have veto power in the United Nations, and with that they can always back each other little money making ventures(IraqIran/Palestine)

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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: rod]
    #9601931 - 01/13/09 02:54 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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It does not matter if you do, or not,
those 2 will fight till this world burst into flames.

Let them have their fun.



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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: NIDcommand]
    #9602040 - 01/13/09 03:14 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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hey guts i thought i would pop in here.  The weapons suppled to Israel is intact about 90-95% the good old USA.


In fact we suppled them with an Anti rocket/missile defense system that could easily shoot down any incoming rocket from hezbollah





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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: blewmeanie]
    #9602095 - 01/13/09 03:26 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Nothing to follow that up??


We'll here is a little 2 second Google search on Israels missile defense system

                           

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/New_Test_Of_Israel_Anti_Missile_System_999.html


If that system can shoot down MIRV(Multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle )  thats about 10 football sized warheads coming from space at about 4-6,000MPH.  I'm sure it could handle the rinky dink rockets shot at Isreal

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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: NIDcommand]
    #9602164 - 01/13/09 03:36 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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If that system can shoot down MIRV(Multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle )  thats about 10 football sized warheads coming from space at about 4-6,000MPH.  I'm sure it could handle the rinky dink rockets shot at Isreal




Well then, you would be wrong. Those "rinky dink" homemade rockets are hard to detect, and even harder to intercept. They have a very limited range, so they tend to be fired from fairly close.


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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: blewmeanie]
    #9602221 - 01/13/09 03:45 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

True, they are hard to detect.  But one has to admit that Israel is a mighty army.  Even more so that it is backed my America and more importantly Americas technology

This is the M-THEL(Mobile / Tactical High Energy Laser)



http://defense-update.com/directory/THEL.htm ; <--info on M-THEL

it is operational in test units in Iraq and I would be willing to bet if Israel wanted them for its bored to defend against mortars and small rocket attack in combination with its missile defense system no innocent people would die from easily downed rockets and mortars

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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: NIDcommand]
    #9602273 - 01/13/09 03:54 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

So we're buddies,
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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: NIDcommand]
    #9602277 - 01/13/09 03:55 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The US did block the sell of certain missiles and bombs that Israel wanted. Israel wanted to bomb the Nuclear reactor in Iran to halt Iran's "nuclear programme"

Israel was quite pissed when the US intelligence released a report in 2007 saying that Iran had actually halted their program. They agrued that our intelligence was flawed and that they had intelligence to support an attack on Iran

We also refused to supply them with certain fighter jets as well

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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: twighead]
    #9602300 - 01/13/09 04:00 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

HAHA, more then you know.....more then you know.  Israel is really nothing more(in my eyes) then an American base/jump off point for the middle east.  Just wait Hamas will launch more and more attacks and Israel will up it's response then Iran will get involved. 

And i will say it now,  I bet any one that is under 30 will more then likely see a nuclear conflict in the middle east.

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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: NIDcommand]
    #9602312 - 01/13/09 04:02 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Iran has no reason to get involved in the conflict between Israel and Gaza
Such a move would be extremely stupid of them

I dont know why people continue to bring US into this conflict. The US has nothing to do with the conflict between Israel and Hamas

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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #9602324 - 01/13/09 04:03 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Iran has no reason to get involved in the conflict between Israel and Gaza
Such a move would be extremely stupid of them

I dont know why people continue to bring US into this conflict. The US has nothing to do with the conflict between Israel and Hamas




Rampant egocentricism;
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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #9602331 - 01/13/09 04:05 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Isreal did do a raid on that reactor, and in the morning/mid-afternoon.  Isreral is a huge hypocrite,  only our(USA's) buddy's get nuclear power and nuclear weapons. 

We may have blocked cretin weapon systems,  but Israel also knows we will have their back no matter what, and im sure that include a nuclear response to iran

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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: blewmeanie]
    #9602338 - 01/13/09 04:06 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Are you talking about me? or the people who mindlessly blame the US for everything that goes wrong in the world?

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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #9602342 - 01/13/09 04:07 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Why would Iran care if the UN/USA backed county of Israel took over a bordering country?? ummm maybe because they are afraid they will be next???

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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: NIDcommand]
    #9602348 - 01/13/09 04:09 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Why would Iran care if the UN/USA backed county of Israel took over a bordering country?? ummm maybe because they are afraid they will be next???




Geography lesson

Gaza doesnt border Iran :rolleyes:

Gaza is a little shithole between of Egygt and Israel with Jordan to the west

Iran couldnt be much further from Gaza. And Iran would hardly assume some tiny territory ran by Hamas would mean they were next

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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #9602364 - 01/13/09 04:13 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i am aware of that,  Israel was created INSIDE Palestine after world war two.

what gives isreal the right to invade another country(a bordering one)

US/Iran diplomacy isn't at its best.

And  Once again Israel and Iran pretty much hate each other.  The presedant is Iran said he would like to destroy Israel.

I could see how Iran would take Israel invading the Gaza strip as hostile and in turn might spark something

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    #9602369 - 01/13/09 04:14 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

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Why would Iran care if the UN/USA backed county of Israel took over a bordering country?? ummm maybe because they are afraid they will be next???




Geography lesson

Gaza doesnt border Iran :rolleyes:

Gaza is a little shithole between of Egygt and Israel with Jordan to the west

Iran couldnt be much further from Gaza. And Iran would hardly assume some tiny territory ran by Hamas would mean they were next




Geography lesson

Jordan is to the east of Israel

Gaza is between Israel and the Mediterranean sea with egypt to the south.

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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: NIDcommand]
    #9602387 - 01/13/09 04:18 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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i am aware of that,  Israel was created INSIDE Palestine after world war two.

what gives isreal the right to invade another country(a bordering one)

US/Iran diplomacy isn't at its best.

And  Once again Israel and Iran pretty much hate each other.  The presedant is Iran said he would like to destroy Israel.

I could see how Iran would take Israel invading the Gaza strip as hostile and in turn might spark something




You have got to be joking? What gives them the right? The fact that they are being attacked by the Hamas from Gaza?

If Mexicans were shooting rockets into Texas, I gaurentee we would be doing the same thing

Several countries were created out of the old Palestine territory, including Syria and Jordan.

That's great that Iran would like to demolish Israel, too bad Israel has much more military force and could whipe Iran off the map 100x and Iran knows this

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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: blewmeanie]
    #9602398 - 01/13/09 04:19 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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blewmeanie said:
Quote:

KillerPicklez said:
Quote:

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Why would Iran care if the UN/USA backed county of Israel took over a bordering country?? ummm maybe because they are afraid they will be next???




Geography lesson

Gaza doesnt border Iran :rolleyes:

Gaza is a little shithole between of Egygt and Israel with Jordan to the west

Iran couldnt be much further from Gaza. And Iran would hardly assume some tiny territory ran by Hamas would mean they were next




Geography lesson

Jordan is to the east of Israel

Gaza is between Israel and the Mediterranean sea with egypt to the south.

:lol:




whoops I must have been slightly braindead :lol:

I meant to say east

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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #9602420 - 01/13/09 04:24 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

wow okay ill take this step by step.


Do you know why Hamas is attacking Israel?  Could it be the fact that Israel thinks its okay to uproot family's at communities by bull dozing there homes and MURDERING children in the street that throw rocks at tanks, what is a child going to do with a rock??

If iran got a few Russian or chines warheads it could WIPE Israel off the map.  and those war heads can ealy go in a trunk of a car.  if isreal didn't take Iran as a serious threat why bomb reactors and kill inocconet children and attack Hamas at the scale they are?

I don't condone what hamas is doing but you also have to look at what Israel is doing to the Gaza strip

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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: NIDcommand]
    #9602444 - 01/13/09 04:29 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Wow that is fucking retarded

Hamas is attacking Israel because they want more land. Israel borders have expanded greatly since they were originally drawn up by the UN.

You are saying Hamas is attacking Israel becuase of what Israel did after Hamas attacked them. :lol:

and that is a pretty big "IF" statement you make. Thats like saying IF I made a nuclear bomb I could blow the state of Arizona off the map. Israel, the US, and tons of other super powers would NEVER in the foreseeable furture allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon. Period. End of Statement. If Israel even thinks Iran is getting close, they will act on their own and put it to an end

Again, people like to claim the violence is excessive, But Israel has made it clear. It will continue its assualt until Gaza/ Hamas stops shooting rockets into their country and killing their citizens. They have the RIGHT and OBLIGATION to protect its' people

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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #9602474 - 01/13/09 04:35 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

wow retarted huh?



Agin Israel could EASILY defend its self, if it WANTED to.

this is a useless augment some people just refuse to see the damage Israel is inflicting on a few rebel freedom fighters.

there response to Hamas such as assainations car bombings that are state sanctioned.

I could go on with the atrocities of Israel. 

but war is never fair right??? children must die??

i dont think so, Israel is a G7 nation it should act like one.

Using you Mexico reference,  what do you think Mexico nationals would do if we invaded.....thats right they would fight

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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #9602482 - 01/13/09 04:36 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

You are completely ignoring the fact that Hamas is a more extremist version of Fatah and their goal is to exterminate the nation of Israel

They are trying to make Gaza into the biggest humanitarian crisis possible in order to draw more support for their cause. They purposely use civilian buildings such as schools, hospitals, and mosques for attacks and use their own people as human shields. They care about nothing but their ultimatum

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    #9602491 - 01/13/09 04:39 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Exactly, Its war. people die. Americans need to quit being huge pussies and realize this is not our problem, this is not our fault. Hamas brought this on themselves and they will face the consequences for attacking a country much more powerful then them

I feel horrible for the civilians who are caught in Gaza, the families who have lost, and any one affected. But Hamas is responsible for what is happening. Israel is doing what they feel neccessary to prevent further attacks on their own people. And good for them

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    #9602496 - 01/13/09 04:40 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #9602515 - 01/13/09 04:44 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I agree with you !00%  they(Hamas) are fighting a hugely out numbered battle.  The people in Gaza see them as hero freedom fighters.  The people of gaza are already in a humanitarian crisis created b isreal AND hamas.


Why would Isreal provoke Hamas by taking over the palistinans land and letting zionest settlers, who are mandated to carry weapons move in

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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: notapillow]
    #9602529 - 01/13/09 04:47 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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lame thred
stop talking




I agree
Im done
I dont get paid enough to educate hippies

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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #9603539 - 01/13/09 07:27 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

and i dont get paid enuf to get educated


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    #9603547 - 01/13/09 07:28 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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and i dont get paid enuf to get educated




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Re: Stop supplying Israel with weapons [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #9605117 - 01/13/09 11:49 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Here's what I think, If it was up to me I'd nuke A LOT of places off the map.

First id suck dry all the oil in the middle east and then Nuke those sand N($$#%^'s off the map.

I don't know why anyone would be opposed to Israel bombing the fuck out of surround countries? Let em nuke whoever the fuck they want down there in that giant litter box.

The russians should really step up and start nuking shit and do Israel a favor. Russia FTW!

If this doesn;t make sense it;s not my fault, i;m stoned stupid :gethigh:


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