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OfflinePurple_Voyage
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Need id please!
    #959647 - 10/14/02 02:24 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I can't this anywhere in my field guides, do any of you guys know what it could be? Spore print is rusty brown.

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Re: Need id please! [Re: Purple_Voyage]
    #959757 - 10/14/02 03:07 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Little more info would be nice.

Was it growing directly off the dung or near it in the grass too?


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Re: Need id please! [Re: Purple_Voyage]
    #959770 - 10/14/02 03:13 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

rusty brown....
cant recall the spore color of
inocybe. usually not clustered.
they look interesting.
not active interesting, just interesting.
great photos. good attempt at spore printing.
wish i had my keys next to me.
these pics will show their inocybe-ness. :

http://www.grzyby.pl/gatunki/Inocybe_species.htm

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Re: Need id please! [Re: Purple_Voyage]
    #959990 - 10/14/02 04:38 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Those look like Inocybes. Identification to species requires a microscope and knowing what they smell like. Most Inocybes are very poisonous, do not eat.

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Re: Need id please! [Re: viscid]
    #960081 - 10/14/02 05:22 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks everybody, great link.  I know I can always count on you guys :smile:


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Re: Need id please! [Re: Purple_Voyage]
    #960927 - 10/14/02 10:14 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Excellent photos. Nolanea is the genus. The color of the gills, nippled cap, plus the the spore print looks more red-salmon than rusty brown points to Nolanea. Probably Nolanea hirtipes, it grows on grass, and has cystidia on the gill edges.
The gills have white edges when there are cystidia present. Cystidia are sterile cell that grow on the face of gills.


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    #962880 - 10/15/02 02:11 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

falcon, can you tell there are cystidia present by looking at the photos or is this a microscopic feature?  Also looking up Nolanea, I also get Rhodophyllus and Entoloma :confused:.  Why are there so many genus names for this?  In my field guide I've got another possibilty, Entoloma porphyrophaeum (or Rhodophyllus porphyrophaeum).  Any comments?



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Re: Need id please! [Re: Purple_Voyage]
    #963810 - 10/15/02 07:59 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

ive heard that cystdia are visible to the eye in some species  :wink:
but these, i dont see it.
falcon sounds like he knows.
the differences are purely scientific, if you're into that sort of thing.
no one wants to eat your mushroom for fun or food, either way.
i think that pans have cystidia, that can be seen and removed with a pin or some other fine tool.
call me crazy.
some mushrooms are just hard macroscopically and get lumped into the "reserved for scientists with microscopes with nothing better to do"
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Re: Need id please! [Re: falcon]
    #964808 - 10/16/02 02:06 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

falcon:
A very interesting ID suggestion. Nolanea is certainly a great guess. I concluded from the spore print photo that I couldn't tell what color it was, so I used the original poster's statement. As you have pointed out, the gills look more pinkish than brownish and there is a conspicuous nipple on the cap, both suggesting Entoloma or Nolanea.

Going with Nolanea (or Entoloma) I am curious how you got to Nolanea hirtipes. Looking through my references I couldn't tell you if it should be (for example) N. clandestina, N. hirtipes, N. pseudopapillata, N. undulata, or N. verna, or yet another. I don't have a usable key for the genus (Arora's isn't), so I would have to go off of species descriptions. Most of those look like I would need to do some microscope work.

According to Largent, in N. hirtipes the margin should extend past the gills 1 mm and the margin should not split readily on expansion or handling.

Seeing you have only 4 posts as I write this, welcome aboard! I am also curious as to what your IDing background is.



Purple_Voyage:
You should be aware that Nolanea (and Entoloma) are not well investigated for edibility. Many of them are very poisonous.

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Re: Need id please! [Re: Purple_Voyage]
    #964819 - 10/16/02 02:09 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Purple, I'm guessing about the cystidia, they are a microscopic feature. To me the edges of the gills appear paler than the rest of the gills. As spores mature on the gill faces they give the gills some or all of they're color. Cystidia are specialized sterile cells that do not produce spores. The cells that produce spores are basidia. If there are cystidia present on the gill edges and they're replacing basidia there will less color from the spores.
Names change, mushrooms get moved from one genus to another as more is learned about them, mushrooms are callled different things by different groups. I used Mushrooms Demystified to key this mushroom. Nolanea have a nippled cap and are smaller than Entoloma. Entoloma is called Rhodophyllus in Europe (from the Audubon guide). E. poryphorphaeum mentioned in the Audubon guide not enough info to make a guess.
ToxicMan, I went with the habitat and what I said above. This mushroom looks similar to Nolanea I find when morel hunting that grows in rich soil, that I think is N.verna , but have been told it is N. stricta. Anyway its very similar, but grows in small unclustered groups, and the spore print matches Purples.
I don't have any of Largents books sounds like it may not be hirtipes.
Thanks for the welcome, this a great forum. Started looking for mushrooms six years ago joined a mushroom club, go with club on a few forays a year. I hunt for edibles when I get an hour or so to walk, but try to bring home 4 or 5 mushrooms to identify.










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Re: Need id please! [Re: falcon]
    #965707 - 10/16/02 01:11 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for the info, very informative.


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