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 mushroomheadxiii
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 question on jar size 
#9584878 - 01/10/09 05:52 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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its my 1st time growing.i stared 5 500ml jars and 3 got contaminated and the other 2 are stalled.. Im running out of patience and sore syringe. i want to make a small jar to get myself like one mushroom so i can collect a spore print.
so my question is... is there a size minimum for jars using the BRF tek?
is there a certain amount of mycelium needed to fruit mushrooms?
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smaller is generally better. 1/2 pints are standard, i've heard of 1/4 pints being used, you could probably use the smallest container you can come up with, as long as the opening is as wide as/wider than the jar, so your cake can come out.
is a 500 ml jar = 1 pt? People use pints a lot and report that they are more likely to stall.
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ABC
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Welcome to the shroomery!
there is no size minumum, just some people prefer different sizes. there has been success with 1/4 pint jars for example.
before fruiting, you are looking for full colonization.
I reccomend watching these if you havent already:
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/BRF-Pf-Tek
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mycoharry
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 Re: question on jar size [Re: ABC]
#9584922 - 01/10/09 06:03 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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i use 1/2 pint and 1/4 pint jars. to use anything smaller that 1/4pint would be stupid. i find if you use smaller jars you get a larger yield from that same amount of substrate. the only downside is you need to do more inoculations.
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Re: question on jar size [Re: mycoharry]
#9584971 - 01/10/09 06:14 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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You want 250 ml wide mouth jars. 500 ml are more likely to stall before full colonization.
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Re: question on jar size [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9585054 - 01/10/09 06:27 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think the BRF cake is so nutritious that it generates so much heat that it drives the moisture out of the substrate.Thus stalling.
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mushroomheadxiii
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so would it be possible to inject a small amount of distilled h20 in the stalled jars to give them a wake up call? how much should i add if that that's the case?
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I think it's more the packing due to gravity than moisture loss. You might try turning the jars upside down and smacking them against a block of wood a few times before returning to right side up. There's a good possibility that will mess up the verm filter, but if the jar is stalled anyway. . . Next time, use 250 ml jars.
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mudkip
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I have heard of people putting in 10cc's of distilled water, and Iv done pint jars, had some stall, and put 5cc's of water in. Didnt seem to help much. I think the primary issue is gravity packing down the substrate at the bottom.
Dont HAVE to use mason jars. If you can find a half pint sized drinking glass thats around the same wide as long, use tin foil as a lid. Thats what I do, because all i can find are wide mouth pints.
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mushroomheadxiii said:
so would it be possible to inject a small amount of distilled h20 in the stalled jars to give them a wake up call? how much should i add if that that's the case?
this would not be advised... If you were going to add anything to them, you would want them to be sterilized (preferably in a pressure cooker) before hand (distilled water aint gonna cut it.) And i say it wouldn't be advised in regards to adding water at all... Start over with half pint jars. I'm curious as to how many more threads are going to open up asking about something that went wrong having to do with jar size in PF tek before RR does something about it, hehehe. I've already clicked on 3 posts on the top page of the thread where the simple answer came straight up from RR "use 1/2 pint jars..."
oh yeah, and on a side note: is that avatar something having to do with "mushroomhead"? I was looking for images of terrence mckenna the other day and came upon a bunch of "mushroomhead" crap, made me laugh my ass off. It's just a clone of slipknot, it would be literally the worst thing to be around while on a head full of mushrooms... It saddened me...
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mushroomheadxiii
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ok thanks allot for the help guys 
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veda_sticks
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What are your sterile procedures?? Glovebox?? etc.
While its not recomended to use larger than 1/2 pints, contaminatin could be coming from somehwere else. Usually at inoculation
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Re: question on jar size [Re: veda_sticks]
#9595924 - 01/12/09 04:19 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, and also, if your running out of spores, you could always use your last few CC's on making a couple liquid cultures. Wish i did that on my first grow, then maybe id still have some equador.
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Re: question on jar size [Re: mudkip]
#9596033 - 01/12/09 04:33 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
mudkip said:
Yes, and also, if your running out of spores, you could always use your last few CC's on making a couple liquid cultures. Wish i did that on my first grow, then maybe id still have some equador.
You can even use a syringe that has just been finished. Its likely that an empty syringe still has some spores stuck inside. I tried this and so has quite a few people.
What i done, was make up an LC like normal. Then to inoculate, take your empty syringe, flame the needle red hot then suck up liquid from your LC jar, squirt back in and repeat a few times.
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PF TEK - writeup by EvilMushroom666
Lets Grow Mushrooms - RogerRabbit & RoadKills website with sample videos plus the full PF TEK video series. Alot of great information - BUY THE DVD
Cakes can and will pin! - So you think cakes suck for pins. Your wrong
Franks Simple Coir/Verm Tek
Franks Proper Pasturisation Tek
Franks Spawning To Bulk - Monotub
Professor Pinheads RTV Injection Port Tek
Foo Mans No Soak WBS Prep Tek
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Re: question on jar size [Re: veda_sticks]
#9596364 - 01/12/09 05:16 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm going to try a couple pint jars but with enough verm on the bottom to raise the sub up to inoculation level, and then verm on the top. I don't know how it'll work out but if you just wanna experiment let me know how it goes. I simply couldn't find ANY 1/2 pint jars OR glasses and don't feel like adding any risk by ordering online. Also I've been told that the 1/2 pint rubbermaid/ziplock plastic jars work well and I've found them just about EVERYWHERE, but as in beer brewing remember that plastic scratches and can harbor contams no matter how much you clean so they MAY have to be replaced periodically. Shroom it up, and Shroom it out 
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